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Total: 207 votes (1 blank vote)

  • Blue-Ray
  • 41 %
  • HD-DVD
  • 60 %
November 26, 2006 4:40:31 AM

Im more partial to blue ray my self here and i can read tech sheets all day on google. What im interested in is the people views here of people who use it or have access to use of one or the other (prefferably both) and give me your opinions on both new tech's so i can further educate my self on the two. I will be getting one im just not really sold on either yet.

Opinions are welcome i would just like explinations or something to back it up if needed.

Would preffer to do with out the fanboy croud on this unless they can actualy have a discussion with out the words (noob ownz blah blah blah 1337 speaking kiddys ;) 

Pros cons of both personaly opinions on why the doncumented pros and cons either arent important or dont really interfier with the tech. Pretty much any insight, views, opinions (i cant think of anymore words for the same thing) are welcome. ty for taking your time to respond.

Anyways sorry if this was already made.

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November 26, 2006 5:30:08 AM

Stupid question.

"which is better, VHS or BETA?" comes to mind. Beta was/is obviously better. But the 'market' swung to VHS. Many bad marketing decisions made at Sony at that time, but who's to say which will be 'better' this time out? In the long run, 'better' will be determined by media cost, burner cost, and 'compatability' as determined by the MPAA among others.

'Better' may also be determined by which group developes the best 'rootkit' for their product, and how poorly it is cross-platform compatable.

The day of 'consumer rights' is over. You'll buy what Big Brother says is better for you. So shut up, get over it, and patiently wait to be told which is 'better'.

End of rant.
November 26, 2006 5:35:08 AM

Thats really why i asked for opinions. Not really sure what i said that warrented a shut up get over it comment however. If i wanted the end all which is better i would go for Blue Ray I was simply curious what other people thought and why. This is a discussion forum is it not?
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November 26, 2006 5:45:16 AM

'shut up' was meant for consumers in general. As it was posted as a rant, not aimed at you, please take it as personally as you see fit.

But with computer costs in general going up 25% for high end parts this past 6 mths, the new vista going up almost 100%...

I said earlier... Rant over.
November 26, 2006 6:07:17 AM

Good question. Now, I'm no good at predicting the future, but I think it all hinges on the X 360 HD DVD player and the PS3. Witchever has more market share will also win the DVD war.

I'm a little partial to HD DVD, but I'm no fanboy or anything. Competition is what brings us the best of the best, so no one should be complaining.
November 26, 2006 6:08:52 AM

Not complaining. and sorry croc thought it was directed to me bu whatever.

I'm only interested in peoples opinions dont take this thread as anything other then that.
November 26, 2006 6:11:47 AM

yeah, I knew you werent complaining. :)  I ment the fanboys shouldnt complain.
November 27, 2006 3:38:38 AM

Oh, man. HD-DVD all the way. Not a fanboy, I've seen both in action at the same time and the HD-DVD was a little better but not that much. Also, Blue-Ray cost way too much. I laughed when I saw the price for ONE! I'm cheap and I don't like to pay for expensive things unless I'm getting quality, like how long will it exist with my little sister's fingers and what knot. And from what I hear, this thing scratches and everything is gone. I can understand the price for new technology for the drives and all but at least add like wireless features or something. Come on, it's 2006, that should be a no brain-er. And why can't they make the whole TV resolution simpler like medium quality, high quality, and ultra quality? Personally, the way both camps are marketing the new formats won't win because the average user won't understand and just look for the "higher" number or letter. Like a friend of mine, said 1080p is better than 1080i because P is higher than I! (1080p is better than 1080i in some ways) But that's just a stupid reason why it's better! What I'm trying to say it that in order for either of them to win, they better make prices low and hardware simpler! And then we have a clear winner. Until then, we'll have to wait and see!

Simple Vote: HD-DVD.
November 27, 2006 3:47:11 AM

I totaly agree about the price man believe me. I know new tech normaly is more expensive but yeah. I do believe as a standard of blue-ray though one requierment was the disks be "scratch proof". One question though is does hd dvd have as much data capacity or is it mearly just a form of compression i have been hearing about.

Your friend sounds kinda funny if thats really his reasoning behind 1080p being better :D 
November 27, 2006 3:55:42 AM

HD-DVD has less capactiy than Blue-Ray. Because Hd-DVD is 0.65mm below the surface while Blue-Ray is 0.85mm below the surface (I think) even though they both use blue lasers to read and write. They both camps compress different but I forgot what they were. All I remember is that the HD-DVD compression is more efficient. Whatever that means! =p

Yeah, he's a dumbass when it comes to computers and such!
November 27, 2006 4:35:37 AM

My choice is very simple. Microsoft has control of one form of my entertainment being my computer. I will not hand off another to them that being my home entertainment system. So just becasue of that blue-ray wins for me.

As for which one is truly better that is a toss up I have seen both and cannot tell a real difference in them.

As to which one will win I suspect blue-ray will just because it has more studios supporting it. But even with that the marketing dept could pull something off and have hd dvd win. Or Sony could just screw up like it did with beta. I can agree that the ps3 and xbox will have alot to say aout which one might win since the ps3 is the cheapest way to get a blue ray player.
November 27, 2006 4:47:47 AM

Blue-ray has a more storage space per layer. I really don't care about the movies aspect. Data storage is more important, to me anyway. 25GB per layer, up to 3 layers per side VS. 16GB per layer and 2 layers pers side? Thats not a hard desision considering that they're almost the same cost.
November 27, 2006 5:05:43 AM

Here is my entire argument, it is irrational and illogical:

Blu-Ray = Sony

HD-DVD = Not Sony

Ergo, I choose HD-DVD.

I have had enough dealings with sony's BS not working, breaking, being sent in for repairs and coming back broken that I am never supporting another sony product again. It makes little sense, but I am just so frustrated with their lack of innovation with respect to what a customer wants as opposed to what they can do.

Oh well, here is hoping to HD-DVD's win!
November 27, 2006 5:07:41 AM

That is a good point i did want it for the major reason of storage but movie quality is also something ill care about when the new standards actualy get some movies out.

My biggest gripe with sony is when they try and ruin games err i do i mean develop? seems to go hand and hand with them.

Allthough i havent had any problems with thier cd-dvd roms yet personaly i dont care for them im more partial to plextore when it comes to writers but i almost always have a sony dvd player for some reason.
November 27, 2006 5:13:51 AM

It's like this, you get a Blue-Ray and burnable Blue-Ray discs. Now, you burn all your data to it but when you want to transfer this data to a friend's computer, you won't be able too, because he has hd-dvd and no one can afford the damn Blue-Ray drive. As of now, how many Blue-ray drives shipped with companies such as Dell, HP, Gateway, etc? And now how many companies ship with HD-DVD drives?

One reason why I can't stand Blue-Ray is the damn DRM!
And we all know Sony for their rootkits and DRMs!
November 27, 2006 5:21:08 AM

Probably the one that gets hacked first will lose, which is unfortunate for those of us that want to make backups of movies that we actually own.

I personally hope HD-DVD wins just cause I'm so pissed off at sony over a variety of issues. Don't think that makes me a fanboy cause I'm not that fond of Microsoft either.

I think it will take 1-2 years until either format is mainstream enough for me to care. DVD's look great on my 30" CRT HDTV (to me anyway, maybe i would notice a bigger difference on an LCD, DLP, etc...?). Don't have the money to upgrade to a TV big enough for me to see the difference.
November 27, 2006 5:23:43 AM

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It's like this, you get a Blue-Ray and burnable Blue-Ray discs. Now, you burn all your data to it but when you want to transfer this data to a friend's computer, you won't be able too, because he has hd-dvd and no one can afford the damn Blue-Ray drive. As of now, how many Blue-ray drives shipped with companies such as Dell, HP, Gateway, etc? And now how many companies ship with HD-DVD drives?

One reason why I can't stand Blue-Ray is the damn DRM!
And we all know Sony for their rootkits and DRMs!


I don't care about transfering data to & from a friends comp. If that is needed I'll use my 500GB USB2 drive. I want Blue-Ray for it's archiving uses. But as for the "DRM" statement, discs you make are yours. "DRM" doesn't enter into it. Besides, do you honestly think MS hasn't put "DRM" crap into HD-DVD? Come on, wake up...
November 27, 2006 5:33:30 AM

From what little I know, the blu-ray has higher capacity and more performance. Blu-Ray is also a different technology, so it requires all new tooling (higher price). I forget which "standard" has tighter digital rights management. I personally go for the blu-ray (for the data capacity) - until something MUCH better or much cheaper comes out, like holographic disks.
November 27, 2006 5:34:23 AM

It is true that M$ has put DRM into it, but they are much more reasonable (so far) in their implementation of DRM. Sony has a reputation for being overly restrictive and curtailing legitimate uses of media.
November 27, 2006 5:34:40 AM

One of my problems is i own alot of movies all of which are on VHS so yes i download the movies i own and (yes some i dont) i burned all my movies my problem lies now in it took about 25 disks to do so :-/

Though im not a fan of DRM not because i tend to get some software and movies ina questionable mannor but for the reason you stated. Normaly when i buy software or a movie i like to burn it and use the burns and leave the originals in a box if i ever need them.

Also i do agree superfly with that nice little rootkit thing i read about before ;)  though i hope they learned from that.
November 27, 2006 5:42:31 AM

I completley agree with you, however i think he was referring to sony and DRM in general, i.e. sueing children whos families have no money, etc...

Pissed me off when i put one of their audio CD's with a rootkit on it in my computer. Now i have to manually edit the registry to turn off all autoplay. Sony would trojan all their loyal customers just to make a buck. Very pathetic sony.
November 27, 2006 5:48:50 AM

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I completley agree with you, however i think he was referring to sony and DRM in general, i.e. sueing children whos families have no money, etc...

Pissed me off when i put one of their audio CD's with a rootkit on it in my computer. Now i have to manually edit the registry to turn off all autoplay. Sony would trojan all their loyal customers just to make a buck. Very pathetic sony.


100% agreed
November 27, 2006 5:50:40 AM

Seems sony has been good at suing people into poverty to progress thier own agenda. seems rather bully to me. Do they actualy gain anything from this? To me it would do way more harm then good. They act as if people are stealing company secrets and selling them to other companys. Before the anti piracy zelots bash me im not pro pirate even though i do it bit of it my self for what ever reason i see fit but im not into the if you can crack it why pay for it thing either.

For me downloading and cracking software is a trial. If i like the software i buy it if not i find something else. I realise thats questionable but since i really have no other option and trialware isnt really the salution to me its how i do it.
November 27, 2006 5:53:06 AM

Well I am partial to HDDVD but I have to say that, quite simply, that both formats are likely to stick around for years to come. Both will try to prove they are better, and when one has more complaints than the other (say, over scratched discs, finicky hardware etc...), the format war will end...gradually. Seriously, there will be two formats for years to come. I personally think bluray will take more market share just because it is cost efficient to consolodate a gaming device with a high definition source for video media. For those in the market for a run of the mill high definition player, and not a game console, most will choose the one that is cheaper and is "better". If hd dvd is less expensive, and superior in picture quality, than it is pretty obvious who will be the "winner" in the long run. Blue laser isnt new technology, its been around for over a decade, and frankly the only thats "new" is the amount of money being spent on formats and litigation, oh, and sony being a douchebag (thats a fact). Blame sony for all of this because they are the ones who shut down talks between to negotiate a single format with toshiba+friends and decided to instead try to go at it again with betamax v.2.0. Moral of the story? Sony is a douchebag, microsoft actually looks like the good guy in comparison, and we all get scammed into paying 500+ dollars for BLUE lasers. One last thing, that exciting scratch resistant coating that had my pants suddenly less capacious? Sony backed out of that too, so much for having any reason to buy it. I would choose solely on which was more durable, as that is far more important than nit-picking over which format is compressed better, if i cant play the disc because a feather scratched it than i dont get to see that magnificient glory of the oh-so-sweet 1920-1080 pixel resolution.


Rant done. Winner-whoever makes a disc that doesnt scratch so #@$#en easily!
November 27, 2006 6:01:25 AM

I think DVD's look fine unless you get a REALLY big screen! Maybe its just me, or maybe it's my 30" CRT HDTV.

Anything bigger looks like crap on most of the standard def TV channels I watch anyway. I won't upgrade my TV until I get the SCIFI channel in HD. And I won't get anything better than a DVD until a get a bigger TV.
November 27, 2006 6:41:49 AM

Sony is a large company and their rootkit attempt might have been a choice made by a single group. Blueray may be more expensive now (remember DVDs were expensive back in the day too) but i think the price will level out. On top of that when ps3's become more plentiful ppl have access to a blue ray player that is cheaper than the hd-dvd players and doesnt require a HDCP compatible TV for playback.

So basically Blueray holds more and has more potential for storage and better video compression for playback however its dumb since Holographics versitile disks (HVD) will hold about 1TB and rip appart both formats.
Softpedia Article on Blueray vs HD-DVD
November 27, 2006 7:26:59 AM

Just to clearify folks, I'm not taking sides on the "DRM" issue. I personally think "DRM"s are in clear violation of fair use statutes and personal property rights and as such are VERY unlawful. Having argued this point in court[and won the case], I am very much aware of the point in which I claim.

But the real question isn't about "DRM"s. The original post was asking about which was best and suggested data storage as a primary use, not movies or anything of the such. Since first reading this post, I looked into the movies side of this equation. It would seem that Blue-Ray is also the better choice when it comes to movies. That opinion is based on the space, compression and durability of the media. Blue-Ray is more expensive right now but has had major price drops in the passed few weeks. In a few months price won't really be an issue. Blue-Ray has more supporters than HD-DVD. People trust Sony more than MS. Sony, I think, has learned a valuable lesson with the whole "RootKit" thing. They have learned that respecting poeples privacy and useage rights is more profitable in the long run. MS seems to have no regard for personal privacy and useage rights. But I side with neither company. But I'll admit, I'd rather have a PS3 than a Xbox 360[will not be purchasing one].

Gotta love Nintendo[Wii and DS rules]!!
November 27, 2006 7:32:48 AM

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Sony is a large company and their rootkit attempt might have been a choice made by a single group.


True, but if you consider their lawsuits and all their other BS it seems to be a company wide policy. Don't get me wrong, some people and groups deserve to be punished/sued, but sony takes it way too far.

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On top of that when ps3's become more plentiful ppl have access to a blue ray player that is cheaper than the hd-dvd players and doesnt require a HDCP compatible TV for playback.


cheaper? I can buy a 360 and the 360 HD DVD player for cheaper than the playstation 3. Stand alone players will become much cheaper. The playstation 3 won't (and if it does the 360 will still be cheaper :wink: ). I'm not advocating buying a 360 over a playstation 3, i'm just not sure why you think its cheaper.

Blu-ray doesn't require a HDCP compatible TV? It does if you want to watch your movies in a better resolution than standard DVDs. Not all movies now may require it, but they will, especially as dual layer Blu-ray movies become available. (are they available yet?)

Is this any different from HD-DVD? I don't think so, but I'm not an expert on either.

One additional somewhat off-topic note: What about being able to download hi-def content with the 360, will the playstation 3 be capable of this?
November 27, 2006 7:48:52 AM

Though its hard to say right now which is best my main concern was storage your correct. Movies and other things are after thoughts for me personaly but dont let that stop anyone from supplying the info as someone else might want to hear some feed back on that.

I was unaware xbox had a HD-DVD i read it had a reguler DVD not really sure if thats true ill have to do some google now.

Consoles having these devices IMO is going to push it out faster as many have stated or implyed so far.

That all said im wondering with cost and distrabution if each tech would fall into its own type of market. One for movies one for storage.

Unfortanitly pshark you know me large displays stupid high resolutions :D  alot of older dvd's and some new ones tend to look blocky for me which is why im making some serious consideration into getting one of these new standards even though movies for me comes after the storage side. but as always your comments are appreciated.
November 27, 2006 8:06:15 AM

Was referring to the add-on HD-DVD player. Reread the article and it looks like it can even plug into your computer, interesting.

Sorry for going so off-topic with the DRM stuff.

I have to admit Blu-ray is probably the better technology. I read a review a while ago (think it was on toms) that said Blu-ray looks pretty bad right now, but it will be better than HD-DVD when the dual-layer blu-ray discs come out (has this happened yet?). Just hoping HD-DVD wins anyway.

By the way, most of the channels I watch don't come in HD (I think, havn't checked in a while), how can you stand to watch them on such a big TV? Do you know something I don't? (Like how to get those channels in HD) Or are you just more of a movie buff?
November 27, 2006 8:12:45 AM

I dont watch much TV other then the science channel or history cahnnel.

My tv is just a reguler old 27" tube i watch my movies on my computer monitor which is a small 24" wide screen but the resolution is way higher.

Course if i had the money i would have a 65" TV with 1920x1080 resolution.

I think that would be more prefference im kinda use to watching TV on a 64" back projection which a relative has btw doesnt look that great but i love how huge the picture is.

im one of those wierdos that would love to have a theater as thier living room XD
November 27, 2006 3:51:44 PM

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...however its dumb since Holographics versitile disks (HVD) will hold about 1TB and rip appart both formats.

I have seen this posted in several forms... so I finally did some research on HVD. It seems like a very promising technology. And if you only read about the technology then anyone would wonder why we are even bothering with HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. The answer is economics. From the article in Wikipedia it says... "However, the reader currently costs approximately US$15,000, and a single disc currently costs approximately US$120, and by 2010, will cost about US$100 [6]. The market for this format is currently not the common consumer, but is instead for those with very large storage needs."

Once the prospect of buying a movie that costs $140 per disk, or buying a player that costs $15,000 sounds reasonable then I'll jump on the HVD bandwagon. Until then, I'll be happy with my DVD's for now and maybe move to a hi-Def format in two years.
November 27, 2006 5:02:33 PM

I voted HD-DVD. Blu-Ray has some manufacturing difficulties that need to be addressed before I would even consider it. Sony worries me because they can't seem to manufacture anything in sufficient quantities, and what they do manufacture has serious defects. Not to mention they are the kings of DRM + proprietary formats (such as Blu-Ray, ATRAC, MD, UMD, Duo memory sticks, etc.).

With recent events (ps3 launch, ps3 issues, battery fiasco, rootkit fiasco, execs always being at each others' throats, etc.) making me doubt Sony's long-term success, I'm not going to invest $1,000 in a blu-ray player! :D 
November 27, 2006 5:37:06 PM

Although I know that the differences here are much more significant, this sort of reminds me of the DVD-R vs DVD+R battle. By the time they truly became consumer products there were dual players/burners readily available and media costs were also much more reasonable (due to supply and demand?). I feel that something (somewhat) similar may happen here as well. As it is I won't even consider one of the two technologies until there is either interoperability between the two, or one has achieved significant dominance over the other, because having to buy two EXPENSIVE drives is out of the question for me. I'm sure that last bit is true for the average consumer as well.
I like that blu-ray has higher storage capacity, but I really don't know enough about either technology to have a meaningful opinion about either.

-mcg
November 27, 2006 7:06:35 PM

Blu-Ray all the way. Why?

Blu-Ray is more verbally efficient. Can you imagine saying "Aitch Dee Dee Vee Dee" all the time?!?!? :?
November 27, 2006 7:35:35 PM

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Blu-Ray all the way. Why?

Blu-Ray is more verbally efficient. Can you imagine saying "Aitch Dee Dee Vee Dee" all the time?!?!? :?

I really hope this was a joke!
November 27, 2006 7:46:34 PM

HD-DVD because the 360 players are only £129! Bargain!
November 27, 2006 8:00:35 PM

Performance and quality, Blu-ray without a doubt however I believe the market is going to adopt HD-DVD as DVD is the well known name and HD-DVD players are generally cheaper, aside the unavailable PS3.
November 27, 2006 8:01:02 PM

Ok,
Where are the cheap HD-DVDs ?
I'm looking for a burner costing less than the blu-rays and higher capacity than the DL-DVDs
Thanks!
November 27, 2006 8:01:35 PM

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What is the difference between Blu-ray and HD-DVD?

Parameters
Blu-ray HD-DVD
Storage capacity 25GB (single-layer) 15GB (single-layer)
50GB (dual-layer) 30GB (dual-layer)
Laser wavelength 405nm (blue laser) 405nm (blue laser)
Numerical aperture (NA) 0.85 0.65
Disc diameter 120mm 120mm
Disc thickness 1.2mm 1.2mm
Protection layer 0.1mm 0.6mm
Hard coating Yes No
Track pitch 0.32µm 0.40µm
Data transfer rate(data)36.0Mbps (1x) 36.55Mbps (1x)
Data transfer rate(video/audio)54.0Mbps(1.5x) 36.55Mbps (1x)
Video resolution (max) 1920×1080 (1080p) Same as HD-DVD
Video bit rate (max) 40.0Mbps 28.0Mbps
Video codecs MPEG-2 Same as HD-DVD
MPEG-4 AVC Same as HD-DVD
SMPTE VC-1 Same as HD-DVD
Audio codecs Linear PCM Same as HD-DVD
Dolby Digital Same as HD-DVD
Dolby Digital Plus Same as HD-DVD
Dolby TrueHD Same as HD-DVD
DTS Digital Surround Same as HD-DVD
DTS-HD Same as HD-DVD
Interactivity BD-J HDi

I'm no expert but from looking at these spec I think it might be a little better in the video/audio. http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/



Wait a sec, sony backed out of getting the protective layer. Is there a different coating they are applying that i wasnt aware of? If this is true, and there really is a scratch resistant coating on bluray than i wholey support b-ray.
November 27, 2006 8:58:14 PM

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just to be sure....this is meant as a joke , no racist feelings included. :D 
November 27, 2006 9:46:22 PM

Well everyone has such great points here im glad this thread is turning out how i intended.

If it does come down to both sticking around i guess i would be buying a burner and reader that can read both.

However dean7 has a vary good point in sonys ability to keep going with new products. Sony normaly has a ability to bring out a better product only they totaly screw it up somehow with whatever they do i have no idea.

Just to be clear i dont plan on buying either untill the price comes down considerably since at this point it would just be cheaper and more reasonable to just buy another HD for storage. But since i have this problem with filling up hard drives even the largest ones in a couple weeks :-/ i would preffer a writable salution like either standard for storing backups of programs and downloads.
November 28, 2006 12:10:35 AM

Well, I think that HDDs are the way to go for backing up your data until BD-R comes down in price.

Seagate 400GB HDD - $142.99:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Blu-Ray 25GB Disc - $12.99:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

16X Blu-Ray discs would be $207.84. That + the drives it takes to record Blu-Ray discs makes it a much more expensive solution than HDD space.

HDD + external enclosure ($25: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...) will cost less money and be less of a pain. Just my $.02.
November 28, 2006 1:08:42 PM

I have to admit, the biggest differance for me is the protection layer. I have a little brother who loves to play games, biut he isnt mature enough to handle discs carefully. With Blu ray, I would be morbidly scared...

Plus, after a while, do you really need that much space? I mean, 50 gig is huge! Its not like you instal and OS on there! And hell, I doubt a game could be loaded up to 50 gigs. Blu ray games will probably be half empty, and loaded with trailers for the next madden or whatever..
November 28, 2006 1:53:17 PM

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I voted HD-DVD. Blu-Ray has some manufacturing difficulties that need to be addressed before I would even consider it. Sony worries me because they can't seem to manufacture anything in sufficient quantities, and what they do manufacture has serious defects. Not to mention they are the kings of DRM + proprietary formats (such as Blu-Ray, ATRAC, MD, UMD, Duo memory sticks, etc.).

With recent events (ps3 launch, ps3 issues, battery fiasco, rootkit fiasco, execs always being at each others' throats, etc.) making me doubt Sony's long-term success, I'm not going to invest $1,000 in a blu-ray player! :D 


QFT

Just like Betamax was to VHS (better format; stuffed up by the fact that the first tapes couldnt do more than 60 mins.. kinda ruling out films.. doh!), I think Blue Ray will be to HD DVD.

Sony as a business has lurched from one bit of bad news to the next. They have already handed the 360 a 12 month head start; which gives HD DVD a legup. When the wii is released, theyll be facing even more competition in the Console market.

Put this together with their manufacturing issues; the fact that they are the most expensive offering (both for consoles and stand alone players), and that HD DVD effectively has a two Christmas head start on the important festive season and they could be in trouble.

Personally, I think their saviour may come in dual format drives (much as occurred with DVD +/-/RAM drives).. but there is a legal challenge to be gone through 1st.

Either way, Im keeping my cash in my wallet & watching what happens ;) 

I think the first format to get a sub $100 stand alone player wins.
November 28, 2006 2:07:07 PM

I thin that HD-DVD will pan out into the winning position mainly due to that development of a SD third layer on the disc for backward compatibility. Although I really like Blu-Ray's storage capacity I think Sony should just Relegate it to the Zip Drive of the new millenium.
November 28, 2006 2:23:31 PM

Both formats support all of the same codecs. Toshiba did a better job of making certain things on the players and all of the movies mandatory.
Most of the first releases of movies on Blue-Ray used the aging mpeg-2 codec and all of the releases on HD-DVD used VC-1. VC-1 looks far and away better then mpeg2. Sony is stubbornly trying to hold on to mpeg2 because of the patents it holds on it and it uses a lot more disc space, which gives them a reason to use up all of the space on a Blue-Ray disc. HD-DVD movies looked way better than the Blue-Ray counterparts. Now that some of the studios are using VC-1 for their Blue-Ray releases the picture quality on both are equal.
VC-1 is a Microsoft codec, so Microsoft wins no matter which format goes over well. That is probably another reason why sony is trying to use the Mpeg2 format for as long as they can. Toshiba is working on 3 and 4 layer disc, so they will catch up to Blue-Ray soon with capacity. With the VC-1 codec though the HD-DVD capacity has been adequate to this point. The price of HD-DVD movies tend to run about $5 less than the same Blu-Ray disc.
I picked up the xbox 360 HD-DVD player for $150 and couldn't be happier. The picture quality out of the 360 has been fantastic. The load times are very quick compared to the first gen. Toshiba players. With the 360 player you dont't get to use the lossless codecs such as Dolby True HD, you can pick them but it down converts them to go out the Toslink connector. The sound is still way better than SD DVD's. I guess the good thing with the 360 is, if Blue-Ray becomes the format winner Microsoft can always make a Blue-Ray add on player.
The only good thing about the format war is that it should drive prices down quicker than they normally would.
November 28, 2006 3:04:26 PM

There is 1 kink in HD DVDs armor. Thats movie studios. Sony owns 1 or 2. So HD DVD will never get a James Bond novie....
November 28, 2006 3:05:28 PM

Actually 1080P is simply better than 1080I with all the electronics being otherwise equal.
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