Amd Athlon 64 San diego 4000+ vs 3700+

[cozwin]

Which would be a better overclocker?

 

[cozwin]

Also what would i be able to overclock to with:

This motherboard
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=11675&GroupID=1091

This cooling
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=11432&GroupID=1095

And 1 gig of Crucial ddr 400 memory in.

 

[cozwin]

/bump

 

[sirheck]

probably the 3700. it is a little cheaper too.

 

[cozwin]

well ive been told the 3700 can get towards 3 but im also told the 4000+ has some extra things in it plus overclocks better

 

[sirheck]

well i have the 3700 have had it for over a year.

have oc,ed it to 2730mhz on air and no vlt bump.

if you played a game with both the 3700 and 4000 you would not
see any difference.

the 3700 is 2.2 stock the 4000 is 2.4 stock, everything else
is the same.

 

[trinitron64]

oh silly 4000...... it is the same damn core but clocked slightly higher... same core mind you... if you picked up a 4000 and a 3700 and OC'd them both on the very same board the 4000 may go further, the 3700 may go further... it depends on the revision of the core and oh, i dont know, the bloody weather on the day it was made

if you want to know which of the 2, i say 3700 because uhhhh its cheaper... if you want to be smart about it... check the stepping of both the chips... pick the best stepping... there are certain sandys that will go beyond 3ghz at stock voltage AND on air... but there are some that crap out a little past 2.6 no matter how much juice you feed them.

 

[cozwin]

ty

 

[trinitron64]

i should add that you may be hard pressed to find a sandy... productionhas ended and most retailers only sell the FX-57 sandy

 

[sirheck]

oh silly 4000...... it is the same damn core but clocked slightly higher... same core mind you... if you picked up a 4000 and a 3700 and OC'd them both on the very same board the 4000 may go further, the 3700 may go further... it depends on the revision of the core and oh, i dont know, the bloody weather on the day it was made

if you want to know which of the 2, i say 3700 because uhhhh its cheaper... if you want to be smart about it... check the stepping of both the chips... pick the best stepping... there are certain sandys that will go beyond 3ghz at stock voltage AND on air... but there are some that crap out a little past 2.6 no matter how much juice you feed them.

basically what i have been saying.

 

[cozwin]

na i know few places to get them dont worry, microdirect have the 4000+ in oem and retial and ebuyer have 3700+ in oem and retail so no worries

 

[cozwin]

also anyone have any idea what overclock i could get with either cpu and the motherboard i said above

 

[sirheck]

also anyone have any idea what overclock i could get with either cpu and the motherboard i said above

the dfi right?
well with good mem 1 gig crucial?

you should get good results with either cpu.

 

[cozwin]

btw is this better then both of them ? http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=289426

 

[GSTe]

Don't know much about server CPUs sorry...... I do know however that I OC'd my 3700+ to 2.61GHz on stock cooler with no voltage increase and it went like something off a shovel. Got an extra 10 FPS in doom and 15 FPS in BF2!

 

[cozwin]

from looks of things im getting 4000+ gonna stick my artic cooler pro on it and up voltage and fsb and try for 3 ghz

 

[desolationw]

Opterons are better overclockers as the are designed for servers therefore are more stable. I have heard of ppl getting that 146 to 2.9ghz on that DFI Ultra-D motherboard you have chosen but mainly come in around 2.7ghz.

 

[cozwin]

comparing the 2 in games which would be better?

 

[desolationw]

I'd say at the same clock speed that both cpu's would be close, but the opteron might just be able to o'c that little bit more.

What price can you find the 4000 for? i can only see it at around £90. Since the Opteron 146 is only £60 on that SCAN link you posted then i would choose it instead.

 

[cozwin]

i can get the oem for 65 on microdirect but thats ok cause im using 3rd party cooler anyway, im using a artic cooling freezer pro 7 on it

 

[desolationw]

I think the Freezer Pro 7 is only for Intel CPU's. You will need a Freezer 64 Pro instead.

 

[cozwin]

lol yer thats the one i ment ive got it bookmarked so no worries

 

[sirheck]

btw is this better then both of them ? http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=289426

not really better but yes those opty,s are very good and good at
overclocking.

the 3700,4000 or the opty should work just fine.

so all you have to do is decide which one you want.

goodluck and happy gaming.

 

[desolationw]

You've contradicted yourself. On stock, yes it is not better but it does have better oc potential plus it is around £25 cheaper.

Good luck with the overclocking and if you have any trouble don't forget to come back so we can (hopefully) help you.

 

[sirheck]

You've contradicted yourself. On stock, yes it is not better but it does have better oc potential plus it is around £25 cheaper

isnt the opty148 2.0 stock. if so then an oc to 2.2 would put it
at the 3700 level and 200mhz should be easy.

he should be able to 2.4 easy with the opty, which would put it at the 4000
level.

and he should still be able to 2.6 with the opty pretty easy.
especially with the dfi and the memory he listed.

i would also say that 2.8 should be a good possiability.