Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

I am currently using AT&T dial-up, so everyone out their probably can
understand my desire for high-speed. I have been trying to decide on what
high-speed to go with. Both AT&T DSL and Comcast Cable have the potential
for 3 Mbps download for the package I am looking at. The cable option has
upload potential of 256 vs. DSL 384 kbps. I live in an apartment on a
street full of apartments.

Does anyone currently use either of the above providers and can shed some
light on if one choice is better than the other? Good and bad stories for
either would be very much appreciated? The old argument of DSL vs. Cable
is also welcomed.

Thanks for taking the time to share!

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Go for whichever is cheapest because trust me, you will
be satisfied with either one.

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

I had Comcast several years ago.
At that time Excite was the Newsgroup provider.
Giganews is now the provider.
I went to DSL for about two and a half years because Comcast had become
undependable.
That lasted a few months.
My son has had comcast for two years now without any problems.
I just switched back last night.
Speed is much faster than when I left.also very noticeably faster than
verizon DSL.

I ordered from Circuitcity -- they have a real good deal that expires
tonight when they close ( 6PM locally) .
They advertise 2 GB from Giganews .
I got the following at the following address:
http://online.comcast.net/giganews/






Comcast High-Speed Internet service now includes free access to
newsgroups through Giganews' premium news service! Your free account
includes up to two gigabytes of downloads per month (headers are not counted
towards your 2 gigabytes). You'll have full access to discussion groups,
sound files, images, video files, and much more. In addition, this service
offers close to 50 days binary retention with a 99% completion rate. To
begin using your free newsgroups account, simply follow the steps outlined
in this FAQ to set up your news client.


Note the 2 gigabytes in the above paragraph.

Hope this helps.


"Mark Williams" <MWilliams@att.net> wrote in message
news:Ec7Bd.1195739$Gx4.610337@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> I am currently using AT&T dial-up, so everyone out their probably can
> understand my desire for high-speed. I have been trying to decide on what
> high-speed to go with. Both AT&T DSL and Comcast Cable have the
potential
> for 3 Mbps download for the package I am looking at. The cable option
has
> upload potential of 256 vs. DSL 384 kbps. I live in an apartment on a
> street full of apartments.
>
> Does anyone currently use either of the above providers and can shed some
> light on if one choice is better than the other? Good and bad stories
for
> either would be very much appreciated? The old argument of DSL vs. Cable
> is also welcomed.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to share!
>
>
>


begin 666 pixelclear.gif
K1TE&.#EA`0`!`( ``/___P```"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$```("1 $`.P``
`
end

begin 666 logo.gif
M1TE&.#EAC `<`+,/``$!`<7%Q94!`?S\_%-34S<W-ZRKJV]O;XR,C.;EY1 0
M$+M=7?'Q\=?7UR,C(____R'Y! $```\`+ ````",`!P```3_\,G1S"D.N')0
M8P-CC",C/6& $(6B. 2" ),,I,\-+7M_Q."D'!(V!H'X6Q@&#J=B"21-UD)
MBR>&-$99*0#@E\PX8&; :#0GT4@#`I,$X>P&%PP]5..+)IB @'IN>"<!?6P$
M=6D.!WP.`3T,? `%#1,!DP$&=(H'* B*;@H-"9-O* D%H6D'>0,'HD:!0 .@
M:7Y5:*T!G'5WCI H!FF507VV:"YN"$QN,!US8:2F< .)R1Q1+6"M$PRJ@WFS
M)Z_.P=9A!@_#?4\$!IA@CS7?B]4-= B3!3(6T6][DA& 5(9!@$8*`I1*8X2=
MO!D@!B1H`J ;"D.^_M@(P:"CN'K+_^B=<< #&8$$'5-V7*B!H$-Y<'#T@26/
MQH0!!PM,9*711I-I# > `Z" D \DS(S)2Q:,'(,%4!?8E(#/EY$$:ABD0H,@
M8IDR#]K 1#%T+,@WR J \"&"P36BEFBA#(@F`2\UXFQHK2%QY JNKA(L$$!8
M@%2^,56<2!9T#\$@8,!&O)<XORN RX:.6)M&!I/+>,B$Q@>G3(.B"::"/
MZXW3J-<V`W,2F0.-3 H77L#7H8P^Y< P4ZT(SET-/*YQ" /IK3H#IBA!1GF"
M58T$5IZP,<4Z#9P'`=QQ0>&9664`<5$,UFV8[[6$">@T> \)F2(%1AJ PU\9
M`;N$55%BA/\6]\7P!RM4E<4<2ZO91P9T=73#4D(/R*%+).OI)M4#DM2$#FTC
MT>#9"P5@@ $6`3J0`$VCL.. `<@D52$"V]21E'5A*0@7@^BU!H8ZZW120UH*
MK8C&;1,8P%Y[8?4!PDM9N:4+/ %4:0`5`8#C``)G(+#.%UM>HV(>!D7A0'0\
M[&,"=D+0,0J/%4SB"7A#R!G"4,]<X!U?@NEVD@0FT:-C*P&^D=< )6VEPQBA!
M$G4F-WQM9) !9>'Q5E%ED$*@-#R:1@>26C$PWX7GK4) #Q)%M0`5P2F05"VB
M> )D828%8Z(8?EXG"`Q-4;'0<`'@D1DE3#R#SIBD@O%611K96!.O_*LFD%T(#
M"J%*WPF%$H6'0P/5JNQJ%T77#3YWR'()'7A(>20""JE+E$+<A67*.P$8]-8!
M9\60@Q=H& 5(?'YRY1(;R5)Q%32- L;7P1E]"081!!`I='DI;M"VU&RV,U
M]BDFA)QB:<L1" S0<>HLB>&2)#%E1!?+#9Z]RR<G*MOWPJ/)&(63CJ8<Z]T-
M/B:SC,'I*057(,\Z/ W#0)+9(5QJPR!6X2DG0H+X(U`6L8I$$B9*(Z(+;8
MWW$87HUAE,@N!F);9$.68_OK0RU#E%U%W> 5(-X07@+M1%-E.(&%'A:4./8&
M,1#KE)4YC!!:&55&WI-$%>Q[Y0<&16[N_T;45MDK$%J9UM-KHG,(&VPJ.47#
M7I+NI?5-%$2NT >'2OK55QO=3LOMN,/^^MRZCR.\\" )H\OE%D[%5!AM'H;3Y
M\-!'+_WTU,_"9A+ULH&3?U="$@!K"G50I&D=5, &2ATU<'SU[+?OOO 2K7W
M_$6$-P+"\]^!!!%)>$!C$U* 4?]J][X"&I!]V#D()LJW/7KU2">U.( *2%(+
M&KEJ!26BWUH.R,$.2@\'*J!4!^RBC1CP(PF3@5$4_E0$%G0@"O/["0$]2,,:
MBBIT5M)*9 8B`O5ESRZA"8NHJ#69N<!CAC5,8@<CA;NO?(]W4$05"IH8/"5:
..\8I8S*(6MTC#" $``#L`
`
end

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

"Sharon F" wrote:

> On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:37:31 -0500, I wish I knew wrote:
>
> > I ordered from Circuitcity -- they have a real good deal that expires
> > tonight when they close ( 6PM locally) .
> > They advertise 2 GB from Giganews .
> > I got the following at the following address:
> > http://online.comcast.net/giganews/
>
> Thanks for the info. When I signed on it was only 1GB and wasn't aware that
> they've increased the limit.
>
> --
> Sharon F
> MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User
>
Our Computer Club has 29 computers connected through one router/firewall to
a Cox Cable 512 MB service. I have heard no one complain about speed. Don't
buy faster than you need.
Enjoy!

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

In news:%23rQYBI57EHA.2676@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
Randy D <earthuser@hotmail.com> typed:

> DSL does not compare to Broadband. Show me a link where AT&T
> DSL is
> claiming a 3Mbps download speed. That is just impossible. DSL
> has a
> max of 1.5Mbps DOWNLOAD and 384Kbps UPLOAD


First of all, you can't talk about DSL vs. "Broadband," because
DSL is a *kind* of Broadband.

Second, my DSL connection just tested upload speed of 817 kbps at
www.dslreports.com/speedtests , significantly more than you claim
it can do.

Third, Cable connections are sensitive to how many users in your
neighbirhood are using the service at once. Even if the rated
maximum of cable service is higher than that of DSL, it doesn't
always outperform it. Especially during peak hours, it's not
uncommon for DSL to outperform cable.

Fourth, particularly for uploading, DSL often outperforms cable.
I have a friend who recnetly switched from cable to DSL, because
he uploads a lot. He's very happy with the change because his
performance is better.

Finally, DSL comes in several varieties. One type is VDSL.
Although, it's not available everywhere, where it is available,
it's much faster than either regular DSL or cable--it goes to
52Mbps download and 16Mbps upload.

See the chart at http://computer.howstuffworks.com/vdsl3.htm
comparing the various types of DSL and their speeds. Note that
there are several types that can outperform cable, even at its
best.

True, not everyone can get all these DSL technologies. But it's
nevertheless false to claim that DSL is always slower than cable.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

The comments you made in this message are by and large
reasonable. As you point out, it largely depends on your
circumstances, what you can afford, and what's available in your
area.

But this reasonable message is very different from your original
message, where you brashly stated, largely incorrectly, "DSL does
not compare to Broadband. Show me a link where AT&T DSL is
claiming a 3Mbps download speed. That is just impossible. DSL has
a max of 1.5Mbps DOWNLOAD and 384Kbps UPLOAD."

If your original message had been more like this one, I probably
wouldn't even have replied.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup


In news:uaCeGP67EHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl,
Randy D <earthuser@hotmail.com> typed:

> Ken,
>
> First of all VDSL is not available to just anyone. That's like
> saying
> I'm getting a OC48 line to my house. Ain't happening. Remember
> the
> original poster lives in an apartment on a street full of
> apartments.
>
> Second most home users are interested in download speed not
> upload
> speed. You just can't get 3Mbps down from DSL (home user) and
> even if
> you could 99% couldn't afford the cost. No one is going to
> offer 52
> down and 16 up for cheap money.
>
> If given the choice between DSL and Cable the choice is clear
> in
> almost every situation. In very rare cases DSL would be a
> better
> option, and almost never for a typical home user.
>
> The typical home user is going to do no better than 1.5 down
> and 384
> up with DSL.
>
> With my Comcast connection I never get less than 2.5 down and
> that's
> on a bad day, and is usually around 2.8 down.
>
> My opinion is that dollar for dollar, byte for byte, in almost
> every
> instance.........Cable is the clear choice.
>
>
> RD
>
>
>
> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:uYp4wk57EHA.824@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> In news:%23rQYBI57EHA.2676@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
>> Randy D <earthuser@hotmail.com> typed:
>>
>>> DSL does not compare to Broadband. Show me a link where AT&T
>>> DSL is
>>> claiming a 3Mbps download speed. That is just impossible. DSL
>>> has a
>>> max of 1.5Mbps DOWNLOAD and 384Kbps UPLOAD
>>
>>
>> First of all, you can't talk about DSL vs. "Broadband,"
>> because DSL
>> is a *kind* of Broadband.
>>
>> Second, my DSL connection just tested upload speed of 817 kbps
>> at
>> www.dslreports.com/speedtests , significantly more than you
>> claim it
>> can do.
>>
>> Third, Cable connections are sensitive to how many users in
>> your
>> neighbirhood are using the service at once. Even if the rated
>> maximum of cable service is higher than that of DSL, it
>> doesn't
>> always outperform it. Especially during peak hours, it's not
>> uncommon for DSL to outperform cable.
>>
>> Fourth, particularly for uploading, DSL often outperforms
>> cable. I
>> have a friend who recnetly switched from cable to DSL, because
>> he
>> uploads a lot. He's very happy with the change because his
>> performance is better.
>> Finally, DSL comes in several varieties. One type is VDSL.
>> Although,
>> it's not available everywhere, where it is available, it's
>> much
>> faster than either regular DSL or cable--it goes to 52Mbps
>> download
>> and 16Mbps upload.
>>
>> See the chart at http://computer.howstuffworks.com/vdsl3.htm
>> comparing the various types of DSL and their speeds. Note that
>> there
>> are several types that can outperform cable, even at its best.
>>
>> True, not everyone can get all these DSL technologies. But
>> it's
>> nevertheless false to claim that DSL is always slower than
>> cable.
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
>> Please reply to the newsgroup

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Here are the links...

http://www.usa.att.com/dsl/about/compare.jsp

http://www.usa.att.com/dsl/plans/preferred.jsp


"Randy D" <earthuser@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23rQYBI57EHA.2676@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> DSL does not compare to Broadband. Show me a link where AT&T DSL is
> claiming a 3Mbps download speed. That is just impossible. DSL has a max of
> 1.5Mbps DOWNLOAD and 384Kbps UPLOAD
>
> RD
>
>
> "Mark Williams" <MWilliams@att.net> wrote in message
> news:Ec7Bd.1195739$Gx4.610337@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>I am currently using AT&T dial-up, so everyone out their probably can
>> understand my desire for high-speed. I have been trying to decide on
>> what
>> high-speed to go with. Both AT&T DSL and Comcast Cable have the
>> potential
>> for 3 Mbps download for the package I am looking at. The cable option
>> has
>> upload potential of 256 vs. DSL 384 kbps. I live in an apartment on a
>> street full of apartments.
>>
>> Does anyone currently use either of the above providers and can shed some
>> light on if one choice is better than the other? Good and bad stories
>> for
>> either would be very much appreciated? The old argument of DSL vs.
>> Cable
>> is also welcomed.
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time to share!
>>
>>
>>
>
>