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PROVED! 7900GS Outperforms Competitor x1950PRO!

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November 27, 2006 7:42:25 PM

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4336&s=1

Just for those who thought that the 7900 series were dead, here I prove to you they are not! and still a good choice for the high-mid-range players.

So I think this proves that not even the lastest X1950Pro and X1650XT can beat NVIDIA :D 
November 27, 2006 7:51:14 PM

Doesn't really prove much honestly, the x1950 pro is knocked down version of the x19xx series anyway so what else would you expect?

Besides anything labeled pro from ATi is essentially a very budget minded card and is meant to be for most people and not enthusiast.
November 27, 2006 7:54:01 PM

WHOAH! Thanks man! I'm purchasing a 7900GS in a couple hours - I was a bit unsure before about the competitions' offerings, but now I'm completely sold on it! Plus, I'm getting it superclocked for only $150.

Thanks for posting this! :lol: 
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November 27, 2006 7:55:31 PM

But the 7900GS is not an enthusiast card neither! is a high-mid-range card but not high-end.

GS series is a knocked down version of the 7900 series, I ask you the samething...

Im just saying that in this case NVIDIA its on top and that ATI is a little down in the benchmarks...
November 27, 2006 7:55:50 PM

I have to admit actually i really love the 7900GS, if only i could afford 1 though :( 

However what ussra says is true, the X195Pro is pretty mainstream but it's suprising it costs $40ish more.
November 27, 2006 7:56:24 PM

Ussra2, what you have to keep in mind is that the x1950PRO is more expensive than the 7900GS, making the GS a better value for the money.

EDIT: Sprite beat me to it :lol: 
November 27, 2006 8:01:25 PM

Well Ryan I know what you are saying but for the money, you could think about a 7600GT and wait to spend more money on a DX10 card if you thought about it. I have a 7600GT that plays BF2 and 2142 on 1280x1024 and with AA on no problems. There is more value for the 7600GT with little performance over it as well. Anything pro in general is more mainstream anyway it just depends on what chip it is pro from. I do see the value from the 7900 GS being cheaper.

Slim,
I know the difference of the cards you dont have to explain them to me. Just saying that I would look for a better benchmark than VR-Zone.

Like this benchmark from Anandtech that shows the x1800GTO, and the x1900GT which they each trade blows to each other, and the wins go to the overclocked 7900gs's anyway.
Oblivion Benchmark
November 27, 2006 8:04:49 PM

Can the 7900GS do HDR + FSAA?
Synergy6
November 27, 2006 8:08:13 PM

No, only AA not both on the 7900 series.

Now Nvidia has fixed this issue with the 8800 GTS and GTX to where you can now use both.
a b U Graphics card
November 27, 2006 8:21:46 PM

LOL, that doesn't prove squat. 1 Review site, 5 games, limited settings, no IQ comparisons.

Here, proof a X1950 pro is way better than a 7950GT and twice as good as a 7900GS. :roll:
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_c...

You are downright crazy to think a 7900GS is better than a X1950 pro, especially a reference clocked one. Sure it will take some games, namely OGL. If you talk about an OC'ed version, they are close in performance but with an IQ advantage to the Radeon.

Try this review: The X1950 pro wins 6 games loses 2.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1950_pr...

I linked Oblivion on purpose as the 7900GS gets it's butt whooped. AT the bottom it's MAX framerate is 15 fps while the X1950 pro has a LOW of 20 fps. :lol: 

By the way, I had a PNY 7900GS and got rid of it yesterday. It was a good card and a bargain for the $150 I paid for it. But I'll tell ya in IQ and performance in my games it took second place to my X1800XT 256MB.
November 27, 2006 8:26:36 PM

Well I want to say that I really like my 7900GS which I can add to that that is the KO version plus has HDCP enabled :D 

Im not an ATI fan but I use them too cuz I know they are good, my P4 has a 9800PRO :D  which performs GREAT!
November 27, 2006 8:30:00 PM

the 7900GS is still a great value for the money...

Oh yeah PNY? I never heard of people actually buying those brand of cards... I dont know why... most people buy ASUS, eVGA and XFX as far as I know. why did you choose PNY?
November 27, 2006 8:32:33 PM

Well, I just ordered my 7900GS (eVGA to be specific) because I might get the opportunity to use the Step Up program to get a DX10 card anyway. Even if I don't, I shouldn't need to worry about upgrading because the GS will last me a while.

At this point, it doesn't really matter anyway because I'm moving from integrated graphics and have never had a graphics card faster than an FX5200.
November 27, 2006 8:33:45 PM

Quote:
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4336&s=1

Just for those who thought that the 7900 series were dead, here I prove to you they are not! and still a good choice for the high-mid-range players.

So I think this proves that not even the lastest X1950Pro and X1650XT can beat NVIDIA :D 


Well, it's the 1st time I see a bench where the 7900gs wins almost all :?

All the others say the 1950 is the the real $200 deal...

So, wtf??? My 7900gs beats a stock 1950pro, but just because it's high above stock speeds...
November 27, 2006 8:34:46 PM

my 7900gs has been good to meas well...look at my 3dmark scores in the sig

night and day difference from the 7600gt i had previously
November 27, 2006 8:54:21 PM

What was wrong with Tom's VGA Charts? I know you want to read a lot of comparisons to see which card is better but generally the 7900GS is getting whoopped by the x1950Pro. Not starting a flame-war or taking sides, but you have shown a site which says the 7900GS is better, and Tom's chart says the x1950Pro is better.

I grabbed an ASUS x1950Pro the other day btw, i really liked the cooler that ASUS has on it.
November 27, 2006 8:57:40 PM

Ok so I think all this stupid benchmarks are because every webpage uses different cards at different clock speed and memory speeds so whatever... is making confusions...

Conclusion

BOTH CARDS ARE GOOD, CHOOSE WHATEVER YOU FEEL LIKE IT.

I like NVIDIA thats why I go for them, for my brothers PC, I will choose ATI. thats it :D 
a b U Graphics card
November 27, 2006 8:58:09 PM

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why did you choose PNY?

It was $150 and no rebates and is the best card I have ever seen for that price. It was a basic reference design/perfomrnace. I hate PNY's slightly shady warranty policy, that's why I typically avoid them. If I had a choice at near equal pricing, I prefer eVGA and BFG. But right now I'd buy the Sapphire X1900GT rev. 1 on Newegg for $170 no rebates.
November 27, 2006 9:01:35 PM

Yeah. Statistically the X1950PRO is better, and a little bit more expensive. But the thing that sells a lot of us on the 7900GS is the freedom to replace the HSF's without voiding the warranty and the wonderful Step Up program.

In short, I agree with Slim. Both perform great, and whichever one you buy, you'll probably be happy (unless you're a spoiled brat, in which case that's your problem. :lol: )
November 27, 2006 9:03:44 PM

If you alter the original card from the manufacturer you VOID the warranty. Even if you overclock or change the HSF from what the card was originally.
November 27, 2006 9:07:10 PM

Not with eVGA. They let you do both.
November 27, 2006 9:10:29 PM

Didnt know that... somethin to learn everyday :D 
a b U Graphics card
a b Î Nvidia
November 27, 2006 9:31:17 PM

Yeah, a far better review with more games, and setting is the Xbit review which does a great job of exposing both cards' strengths and weaknesses;

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/x1950pro...

I'd let the readers decide which they prefer, and not post something limited to just one or two tests some without AA on either test. :roll:

Both cards are strong.

As for HDCP both have their enabled variants, so no winner there either, and neither can do 1080P 60fps with HDCP, only 52fps max thanks to ingle link HDCP support. 8O
November 27, 2006 9:59:01 PM

This thread is so stupid I think I'm going to read it again :lol: 
November 27, 2006 10:14:58 PM

Thank You :x
a b U Graphics card
November 27, 2006 10:34:01 PM

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LOL, that doesn't prove squat. 1 Review site, 5 games, limited settings, no IQ comparisons.

Here, proof a X1950 pro is way better than a 7950GT and twice as good as a 7900GS. :roll:
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_c...

You are downright crazy to think a 7900GS is better than a X1950 pro, especially a reference clocked one. Sure it will take some games, namely OGL. If you talk about an OC'ed version, they are close in performance but with an IQ advantage to the Radeon.

Try this review: The X1950 pro wins 6 games loses 2.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1950_pr...

I linked Oblivion on purpose as the 7900GS gets it's butt whooped. AT the bottom it's MAX framerate is 15 fps while the X1950 pro has a LOW of 20 fps. :lol: 

By the way, I had a PNY 7900GS and got rid of it yesterday. It was a good card and a bargain for the $150 I paid for it. But I'll tell ya in IQ and performance in my games it took second place to my X1800XT 256MB.


do we have to break out the nvidia vanta card :lol: 
November 27, 2006 10:55:42 PM

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So I think this proves that not even the lastest X1950Pro and X1650XT can beat NVIDIA :D 

Do you have a 7900GS?
November 27, 2006 10:57:36 PM

I read the article.

Not only did VR zone have some technical data wrong (example saying the X1900 carries 36 pixel pipelines...omg) but they used a narrow (and shotty) list of games to compare, without including IQ settings, game details such as HDR etc. OGL reference games??? --- yeah, that was fair *not* :roll: :roll: :roll:

@ Ryan

What do you mean replacing the hs/f without voiding warranty?
Sorry, any type of altering the card voids the warranty, I dont give a damn if you think Evga lets you. They dont. You can prove it, remove your original heatsink & fan from the 7900 you ordered. Call up Evga and say "hey, its producing artifacts..... but I did replace the cooling solution with something else" -- watch and see if the guy hesistates to give you an RMA. They dont have to take back your card....if they do, there being extremely nice.
November 27, 2006 10:58:30 PM

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Well I want to say that I really like my 7900GS which I can add to that that is the KO version plus has HDCP enabled


If you would have read the hold threat, you wouldnt have ask.

but why you asking me that?
November 27, 2006 11:04:50 PM

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do we have to break out the nvidia vanta card :lol: 

I just happen to have one handy...

November 27, 2006 11:07:35 PM

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but why you asking me that?

Since your card is the king of the midrange, that makes it better/faster than my GT right?
a b U Graphics card
November 27, 2006 11:14:30 PM

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do we have to break out the nvidia vanta card :lol: 

I just happen to have one handy...



LOL. i bet that corona is 6 point too :) 

im drinking a 3.2 budweiser :cry: 
November 27, 2006 11:16:26 PM

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LOL. i bet that corona is 6 point too :) 

im drinking a 3.2 budweiser :cry: 

It's 6 point because I bought it at the liquor store, all other beer here in Oklahoma is 3.2 :roll:
November 27, 2006 11:17:08 PM

Not faster but almost... when I said faster than the other midrange cards I meant faster than the competence (in this case ATI)

Sorry if you missunderstood
a b U Graphics card
November 27, 2006 11:21:06 PM

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but why you asking me that?

Since your card is the king of the midrange, that makes it better/faster than my GT right?

hey slim, g.w.,s x1900gt shows a 3dmark05 of 10400
my 68gt,s in sli score 10061. oc,ed as far as i can push-em. i would rather have the x1900 and love to have a g80 card but not for 500$.
November 27, 2006 11:22:06 PM

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@ Ryan

What do you mean replacing the hs/f without voiding warranty?
Sorry, any type of altering the card voids the warranty, I dont give a damn if you think Evga lets you. They dont. You can prove it, remove your original heatsink & fan from the 7900 you ordered. Call up Evga and say "hey, its producing artifacts..... but I did replace the cooling solution with something else" -- watch and see if the guy hesistates to give you an RMA. They dont have to take back your card....if they do, there being extremely nice.

Hey - read this. http://www.evga.com/support/faq/afmviewfaq.aspx?faqid=4...

They'll take it back, as long as there is no physical damage to the card and that you have the original heatsink/fan. They also have the same policy on overclocking - do it all you want, just if your card sets on fire and you scorch half of it off, then don't expect an RMA.
a b U Graphics card
November 27, 2006 11:24:04 PM

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LOL. i bet that corona is 6 point too :) 

im drinking a 3.2 budweiser :cry: 

It's 6 point because I bought it at the liquor store, all other beer here in Oklahoma is 3.2 :roll:

i like dosequis my self, from the liquor of course. :) 
November 27, 2006 11:25:37 PM

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when I said faster than the other midrange cards I meant faster than the competence (in this case ATI)


Do you mean "competitor"?.....my card is a closer competitor to the 7900GS than X1950Pro is.

Since you've talked all this smack about how great your card is, put up a link to your 3dmark05 score so we can all see.

And dont give me any excuses(which I know you are).
November 27, 2006 11:32:26 PM

YA~~~HOO~~~

I own a water cooled 7900GTO modded to GTX running at core: 740 / memory: 1800Mhz which was considered right up there in the top 5%..........for a single card confirguration ~ roughly 2 months ago

Now with 8800 series out, it's already considered a mid-range card ~~

But really, low > mid > high ~ if your games are running smoothly without a glitch.....then you've got a good video card!!
November 27, 2006 11:45:17 PM

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But really, low > mid > high ~ if your games are running smoothly without a glitch.....then you've got a good video card!!

Well said, but if you start a thread claiming that your card is the "King" of other cards(as this guy did), you should expect that others are going to stand up and have something to say.

Now that people have, this little twirp has disapeared.
November 27, 2006 11:52:18 PM

nice find ryan, I take my comment back.

that said, what constitues a "midranged" card now that we have the 8800?

:lol:  X1900xt 256 is a m.r -- think that would be better than the 7900 mentioned? :lol:  :lol: 
November 27, 2006 11:56:20 PM

Not to seem like I'm thread jacking, but while we're talking about 7900GS's...Does it matter whether I use the power cable that comes with the 7900GS or the one that came with my Enermax PSU? Also, the fan on the card doesn't need to be plugged into something else - It takes power from the motherboard or the plug from the card into the psu, right?
November 28, 2006 12:04:14 AM

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Not to seem like I'm thread jacking,

It's better you hijack this thread than me, I've been looking for an excuse to bring up my genital herpe's again :roll:
November 28, 2006 12:08:21 AM

They tested it on 5 games with a Pentium EE?

:lol: 
November 28, 2006 2:07:34 AM

Does anyone know if there is going to be a 512MB version of the X1950 Pro AGP series of cards?
I see BB already has the 256 one at $299 which is a f-in rip off:
X9150Pro AGP $299 @ BB
November 28, 2006 6:36:33 AM

Whats funny about it all, the links that are posted are most likely linked to somebuddys dink.
November 28, 2006 1:29:52 PM

the problem with most of the benchmarks between the cards is that they simply list is a Nvidia 7900GS, or a ATI 1950 Pro. I dont know about the 1950 but the fps from a 7900GS can vary quite a bit depending on how the mfr. clocked it. This review at Anandtech shows that. I recently went with the eVGA 7900GS because I was on a limited budget, the 7900GS was $150, the cheapest 1950 was $200 and while no benchmarks compare the 500mhz 7900GS vs. a 1950 my guestimates from looking at all of the different reviews is that the difference in fps wasnt worth $50. I find it a little hard to believe that a stock 450 7900GS would beat a 1950 but I bet BFG's 7900GS at 600mhz stock would.
November 28, 2006 2:15:09 PM

There already is a PCIe version with 512MeB, so there is hope.
Looking at the prices makes me wonder though. If there will be a 512 MeB AGP variant, it´ll probably fall into the same price region the 256MeB 1900XT is in. If you´re lucky. :?
a b U Graphics card
a b Î Nvidia
November 28, 2006 2:57:46 PM

Once again dispensing with the formalities, and cutting to the heart of the matter.

I couldn't agree with you more, although I think my eyeball got a cramp on the second reading. 8O

Oh, BTW, Budweiser up here is 5% becase it's brewed by Labatt's.

I like Sol and DosEquis Amber if I have to (and sounds like you have to with the Corona), but I'm still more of a micro-brew or BritishIsles/Irish Brew kinda guy. With McEwan's Scotch Ale being a fav (8.3%) and a Poor Man's Black Velvet (Guiness ontop of Cider) as my favourite pub drink.
November 28, 2006 3:23:01 PM

if your ever in Ohio beer from The Great Lakes brewing company is good stuff
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