You rule. I can see that the switch over to AM2 with DDR2 doesn't provide any gain unless you're using DDR-800, and even then it's negligable. I already knew that the low end Core2Duo's pretty much match the lower AM2's and highest 939's in terms of stock perf. I've read the Conroe's OC better though, and they do outperform @ stock as well. I'm still trying to decide if it's worth upgrading my current systems, and when the best time to do it is. $500 is a lot for a chip when I can get a new one that beats it at such a low price. If AMD wanted to sell more 939 and AM2 processors at lower prices to compete with Core2Duo, they still could, provided they could still make a profit with the cut. They're trying to keep their prices high though and take a loss for the time being. Intel can easily outproduce them. They need prices on CPU's high, and Intel really hurt them by pricing their new chips so low. AMD expected Intel to take the lead, but probably not with such low prices. If only the two companies were more evenly matched. Intel would pretty much be a monopoly if AMD went under and would probably get sued like M$, so they need them, or to find another company that could compete in their place. They need a company that can compete, but not well. I think AMD scared Intel a bit with their aggressive tactics.