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Some of you may have seen the reports in the last week:

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Two other fiber optic cables owned by Flag Telecom and consortium SEA-ME-WE 4 located near Alexandria, Egypt, were damaged Wednesday leading to a slowdown in Internet and telephone services in the Middle East and South Asia.



The impact of this incident was widely felt across the middle east and even affected traffic in India. Yesterday a third cable was cut:

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"We had another cut today between Dubai and Muscat three hours back. The cable was about 80G capacity, it had telephone, Internet data, everything," one Flag official, who declined to be named, told Zawya Dow Jones.
The cable, known as Falcon, delivers services to countries in the Mediterranean and Gulf region, he added.



The upshot of this is that Iran is now off-net. Checking http://www.internettrafficreport.com/asia.htm shows Tehran as down and out. Now what are the chances of 3 submarine cables all located in the middle east all being 'accidentally' cut by shipping in less than two weeks? The U.S.S Jimmy Carter is widely rumoured to have the facility to tap and cut under sea cables and whilst I'm sure the British Navy has similar capabilities it just does not seem as likely to me.

Is this the prelude to something much bigger or is it just very bad luck?

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Reply to strangestranger

How oftern do you read about cut submarine cables taking out net connections to entire countries?

** Readies for the barage of abuse from the Yanks **

Countdown to counter post from Jake in 10.. 9... ;)

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Reply to audiovoodoo

well if they are stupid enough to be so reliant on only a few cables that's their problem, then again i have no idea how few cables we actually use.

it reminds me of the movie independance day, when the aliens destroy the communicatons satellites prior to invasion.

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Reply to strangestranger

You can see the thinking though.. A few people on slashdot had the same idea that this could be the prelude to further action in the region. There have been cables cut before. In the Philipines fishermen have for years been pulling up sections of old disussed copper cable to sell for scrap and there has been an incident where they pulled up fiber thinking it was copper they could sell.

It does illustrate the fragility of our global comms infrastructure. Regardless of the reasons for the cable being taken out. If you think of the way we in the UK hub traffic through the internet exchange down in London, single points of failure are still present on the system.

So.. is this a case of bad luck comes in 3's?

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Reply to audiovoodoo

Just been reading some more about this on the Amazon politics forum..

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Update - Iran is back online but... its traffic is now passing through the UK and US, the latter controlling the 13 primary routers.



Interesting... Just think that means the US now has full control over all the traffic in and out of Iran.

Edit - Edited to show this was a quote from another source.

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Reply to audiovoodoo

Naw man, I'm not going to argue with you about this. When I read that there were basically 3 cables, and the two "thickest"/newest were singled out and cut, leaving the oldest, thinest cable (barely capable of minimal transmission nowadays) functioning ... well something smelled here. I don't know who did it, but one of the hardest hit countries is Dubai - where we have a large military presence (command and control "stuff", I believe) and I recall Haliburton moved their Hqs there ... doesn't seem like it would be the US that would do that.

Update: Third undersea cable cut in Middle East ... now there is something foul afoot ... :heink:

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Reply to Jake_Barnes

audiovoodoo wrote :

Just been reading some more about this on the Amazon politics forum..

Quote :

Update - Iran is back online but... its traffic is now passing through the UK and US, the latter controlling the 13 primary routers.



Interesting... Just think that means the US now has full control over all the traffic in and out of Iran.

Edit - Edited to show this was a quote from another source.



This ain't new ... the US has always had the 13 root servers located here. Hell, we invented the net and are going to keep it. :hello:

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Reply to Jake_Barnes

"the US has always had the 13 root servers located here."

Servers C, F, I, J, K, L and M are now operational in different continents. They use anycast announcements to provide a decentralized service. Most of the physical root servers are now outside the United States.

Reply to Tom_Smart

Tom_Smart wrote :

"the US has always had the 13 root servers located here."

Servers C, F, I, J, K, L and M are now operational in different continents. They use anycast announcements to provide a decentralized service. Most of the physical root servers are now outside the United States.



Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_nameserver ...

You may be right now that the Anycast network addressing and routing scheme is employed - seems all is lost now ...

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Reply to Jake_Barnes

It was Tom...He's a manc and wants to break stuff...
Always blame Tom.

Reply to Dirty_Barry

"You may be right now"

Now and always.

"the latter controlling the 13 primary routers"

The DNS servers aren't routers anyway. They supply routing info to routers. Hardly surprising VM got rid of the chimp.

Reply to Tom_Smart

Which is why I said ROUTERS and not NAME SERVERS. Read the links.

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Reply to audiovoodoo

Dirty_Barry wrote :

It was Tom...He's a manc and wants to break stuff...
Always blame Tom.



How very dare you imply Tom is of the same high grade blood stock as the Chimp.

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Reply to audiovoodoo

No, you're about the same alright.
I mean you're a monkey and Tom's a manc.

Reply to Dirty_Barry
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:)

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Reply to mrface

AV, I'm a little confused here. You never mentioned routers in any of your posts. Some of your links mention them, but only some. The '13 primary routers' quote is from a very dubious source indeed.

Reply to Tom_Smart
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Interesting.

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Reply to turpit
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This is why I love living in the arsehole of nowhere. I can pursue a fulfilling and challenging career while having a very active social life and very energetic sex life without having to worry overmuch about some random wannabe empire wanting total control over the world.

I mean, we don't have oil, so we're safe. [/really looking for sh!t]

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Reply to mugz

O yes... And our water supply is in question aswell. No cleaning of foul water, they just add bleach and throw back into the river.

[/not looking for sh?t]

Reply to Vokofpolisiekar

One of these days me and Mugz will have our finger nails falling off like that comment in Endless Summer 2 but can only look at it during the day...

Reply to Vokofpolisiekar
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I'm hoping that day is far off.

My comment was definitely looking for sh!t due to the American government's well-known predilection for invading small countries that are big on natural resources. Like Iraq. [/aren't I treading on anyone's toes yet?]

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Reply to mugz
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On sober reflection, things are so messed up here that I doubt anyone would want to invade, oil or no oil.

Don't mind me.

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Reply to mugz

You're all welcome to invade my unwiped, infected arse.

Reply to WingDing

Tom_Smart wrote :

AV, I'm a little confused here. You never mentioned routers in any of your posts. Some of your links mention them, but only some. The '13 primary routers' quote is from a very dubious source indeed.




Me to.. To the point where I think I'm frankly wrong on this one. I read the post again and I think it sent me on the wrong direction. My thinking was that this is a physical layer issue in that there really was no bit of string and therefore there must have been changes to the physical routing, however as you point out the 13 'routers' are most probably a reference to the name servers and not routers. I stand corrected and should be more open to admitting there is far to much computing that I'm not up to date on nowadays.

I'll also shock the audience by saying that the more I read on this one the more I think the first two lines were most probably very much accidental cuts. I've read the shipping information for the area and the reason for moving the moorings was to cope with a force 7 storm in the area. The shipping authorities moved the moorings to compensate and keep shipping safe. The storm caused the boats to drag ankers and hence cut the lines. The Iran cut though does not fit this pattern.

The dinner party we had here on Saturday night was interesting as one of the folks that came was from Iran. Given some of the things we talked about I have to say I came to the conclusion that Internet access is the least of the worries those folks have. A friend she knows through the Persian community over here recently lost 12 members of her family spread over 3 generations as a result of a bombing in Iran. A timely reminder that these political discussions are really about real people and real suffering.


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Reply to audiovoodoo

"I stand corrected"

For that I salute you.

Far too few here, everyfcukingwhere actually, are incapable of admitting their errors.

Reply to Tom_Smart

Its part of a bigger thing for me at the moment Tom - I'm having to face up to the fact that I've been trying to live of past knowledge and glories for far to long. I still describe myself as the 'IT Guy' despite not having worked in serious IT for a good 8 years - NTL does not count as serious IT.

In the past month I have found myself totally stumped with a couple of things I've been trying to set up for myself and family members. My brother is currently off-net as I just can not get the fcuking thing going no matter how big a hammer I use on it... I guess you could call it the Techno-Jitters.

It's not a good thing to be going on in my head when I'm supposed to be applying for jobs..

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Reply to audiovoodoo

You may be having a few doubts about your own abilities but never underestimate just how clueless the general public are. If you want some easy readies simply shove a few adds anywhere students hang out. You don't have to know anything more than how to re-image their cheap laptops. Simply tell them it's fcuked and needs to be done from scratch. As most will have a partition with the image on and a utility, it generally takes less than twenty mins nowadays. Don't go all Bomber on me and tell me that you couldn't do that to a fellow human being, if you don't some other fcuker will.
You're doing them a favour only charging them £40.00. Most other companies, small and large, will charge a lot more.

 

Two or three of them a day and you can get of the cheap wine.[/cross thread]

 

I know two people who make a regular income doing just that.

 

Edit:

 

Here's a link from an email I've just received. Never underestimate the value of popular buzzwords either. Looks like it's time to stop being the IT guy and become the ITIL guy. ;)


Message edited by Tom_Smart on 02-04-2008 at 01:20:59 PM
Reply to Tom_Smart

It's a personal satisfaction and identity thing. I'd take no joy from earning a crust that way. I just no longer find myself drawn to computers like I did. When I think back to my placement year and that fire I had in my belly to learn and grow with the subject it makes me see the dying embers that remain.

Maybe it is time for a total change, a total retrain and maybe even something of a change of image. It's all up for change at the minute.

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Reply to audiovoodoo

Have you ever considered accountancy?

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Reply to llama_man

He's unemployed not suicidal.

Reply to Tom_Smart

llama_man wrote :

Have you ever considered accountancy?



I give Tom permission to shoot me should I ever stoop that low.


Message edited by audiovoodoo on 02-04-2008 at 02:52:39 PM
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Reply to audiovoodoo

Good call.

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Go into industrial engineering. It's very technical, and the pay is good.

More importantly, just because the knowledge is 5 years old doesn't necessarily mean it's out of date.

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Reply to mugz
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A little late on this thread but i have been watching this all week. ( i have the ITR widget on my desktop). Those cables aren't just something you accidentally cut especially not 2 in one week. Let's just see how this one plays out... Its funny how it has affected the entire world.

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Reply to lvdax

mugz wrote :

More importantly, just because the knowledge is 5 years old doesn't necessarily mean it's out of date.


Does that mean there's hope yet for his little black book?

Reply to Tom_Smart
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lvdax wrote :

Let's just see how this one plays out... Its funny how it has affected the entire world.




*nods in agreement*

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Reply to mrface

It's not affected me at all, Stella production is completely unaffected.

Reply to Tom_Smart

mugz wrote :

More importantly, just because it is 5 years old doesn't necessarily mean it's out of date.


Good news for Wingy's unused condoms then.

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Reply to llama_man

Chin up chimp, no problem admitting you can't do something. Oh and about that internet thing, if for some reason it ain't working, do as i did and just buy an all in one modem/router, nice and easy. Instead of spending a few days cursing and swearing trying to get a replacement router working with a modem.

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Reply to strangestranger
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mugz wrote :

I'm hoping that day is far off.

My comment was definitely looking for sh!t due to the American government's well-known predilection for invading small countries that are big on natural resources. Like Iraq. [/aren't I treading on anyone's toes yet?]



OK, I'll play. :D

Youre absolutely right. We invade small, resourse rich countries. All the time. Then, we dont take the resources, and dump retarded amounts of money back into the country to rebuild it into what will amount to a small, resource rich, democratic, US hating country. Once, just once, I would love to see the US actually do what its accused of. How would the world react to that, if we actually just took every ounce once of oil in Iraq, and left them sticky, broke and confused. :kaola:


On a side note, go check out frances relation to all those small countries the US invaded, prior to the actaul invasion. With the exception of Grenada, I think you'll find it quite a revelation. ;)


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Reply to turpit

Where France goes the US follows?

Reply to Tom_Smart
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Where there are natural resources, the US invades.

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Reply to mugz

@Tom - Black book??? +5 Giving me more credit than is due bonus. Try back of a rizla packet and you would be closer to the mark. :(

@Stranger - Already on a combined modem router :( Also my most helpfull brother has now lost the account information that I wrote out for him should we ever need to set it up again - fcukwit and he knows it. The folks are on a nice wired router with a WAP54G as an AP. It DID work untill he let that fcuking Vista box in the house...

@Mugz - Did look at doing EE when I was back at school and first setting out. I think what would count against me on that one is that I dropped A level (16-18yr education) physics. I am looking at things that might be classed as technical but not pure IT.

@Puck - Hang in there fella... I may be having a couple of bad days but at least I'm not getting shot at!!

I guess the PC must have heard me talking yesterday as about 15 minutes after my last post I suffered a catastophic HDD failure. Fortunately I had a local backup of /home and I've now got the system back to 98% of where it was with no loss of personal data. I've still just got a few bits to setup but I'll do those as and when I come to them.

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Reply to audiovoodoo

Fourth undersea cable cut seems too much to be coincidence

Now, I'm almost ready to join the conspiracy crowd.

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Reply to Jake_Barnes

* BLINKS *

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Reply to audiovoodoo

audiovoodoo wrote :

I've read the shipping information for the area and the reason for moving the moorings was to cope with a force 7 storm in the area. The shipping authorities moved the moorings to compensate and keep shipping safe. The storm caused the boats to drag ankers and hence cut the lines.

  

But:

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the mystery behind the breakage of the undersea cables deepened with the announcement from Egyptian authorities that no ships were in the area of the first two cables when the damage occurred near the Egyptian port of Alexandria.




:heink:


(do we even have a "confused" icon? :p)

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Reply to Ninjahedge

Any chance you could link the source on that quote as I'd like to have read of the full article. I've lost the one to the shipping information as it was burried in the middle of the /. discussion and I can't find the darn thing.

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