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650i Ultra....Where are Them?

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November 30, 2006 6:56:35 AM

As the proud owner of a new 8800 GTS which crippled me financially (I kid....I kid), I have no desire to offer up a kidney for one of the new 680i SLI boards. I am, however, very impressed with the overclocking capabilities I'm seeing from the nForce6 chipsets for Intel C2Duo. As such, I am feverishly anticipating the release of the single GPU, 650i Ultra boards for Intel processors supposedly being released sometime here in December. Seeing that December is just around the corner, I figured I'd start the obligatory thread compiling information about the board's specs, whereabouts, and the best prices once it's released. The board will reportedly have a single x16 PCI slot for the graphics card, and seeing how even single G80s are slapping 7 series SLI setups around, that's just fine with me, especially considering the modest MSRP of $150. The information regarding this board is scant, so someone open up the floodgates. :cool:

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November 30, 2006 4:10:08 PM

Anand Tech


Not much info, nice little diagram. I know MSI lauched a 650i SLI board P6N SLI Something, the Diamond being the 680i. Other then that I would expect ~january for availability.[/img]
December 1, 2006 1:15:41 AM

Jan '07 thats where they are.
Im more interesting in seeing the price drops on P965 because of this tough.
December 1, 2006 11:43:51 AM

Without retailers I dont consider them to have been 'released'.
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December 1, 2006 2:29:16 PM

Yeah I call it launched =). You launch it then you release it =)
Doesn't really work but whatever
December 18, 2006 4:51:25 AM

Yeeah that Asus one is popping up everywhere. Sadly its very vanilla and cheap, not enough to make P965s price move an inch.
December 18, 2006 10:36:57 AM



That is the SLI model of the 650i Chipset, which has two PCI Express graphics lanes running at x8 apiece. The 650i ULTRA, which is yet to be released, has a single lane running at x16; perfect for a single G80 nVidia card.

The good news is, the Asus 650i SLI has proven to be just as good of an overclocker as the 680i, pulling around 500 mhz FSB stable. In theory, the 650i Ultra will be even faster, as it supposedly only has one mobo chip, instead of a northbridge and southbridge.
December 18, 2006 11:24:05 AM

I will only tell you where them are once you LERN 2 INGLISH!
December 18, 2006 12:49:47 PM

Asus' site claims the it can only do 412Mhz FSB at max, but if you have seen any of these boards running in the 500Mhz neightborhood please link it.
December 18, 2006 1:26:37 PM

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I will only tell you where them are once you LERN 2 INGLISH!


I only named the thread that way in homage to the thread about the 680i board which was originally named "NVidia nForce 590 Chipsets for Conroe. Where are Them?," which became one of the biggest threads I have ever seen here at TG Forumz:

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/NVIDIA-nForce-680i-Striker-Extreme-amp-eVGA-ftopict193299.html

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Asus' site claims the it can only do 412Mhz FSB at max, but if you have seen any of these boards running in the 500Mhz neightborhood please link it.


http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=29&threadid=1972653&frmKeyword=&STARTPAGE=3&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Page 3, near the bottom, direct from Gary Key, editor @ AnandTech. The BIOS limiter was removed.
December 18, 2006 4:27:26 PM

Gotta LOVE Gary for always leaking info. I was already thinking of a BIOS unlocking mod of some sort but thank god Asus played it right.
If Asus keeps the 650i as vanilla and cheap as this board we will have a real winner in our hands, the perfect match for E4300.
December 18, 2006 6:03:21 PM

So if I were to buy this current 650i board would it run one single pci express card at 16X or 8X and what kind of performance hit would it be if it did run on 16 rather than 8
December 18, 2006 7:23:14 PM

x16 lanes are available for graphics. That means that if you run a single card youll run it at x16 but if you go SLI youll be limited to x8, x8. The performance increase is about 3FPS at most, because the current cards cant even fill x8 lanes the great mayority of the time.
December 18, 2006 8:24:24 PM

afaik 8800s won't run on x8 though which is maybe worth thinking about for future gfx upgrades.
December 18, 2006 10:42:47 PM

They do run on x8, but future cards will definetly take advantage of the extra bandwith (not in the short future tough).
December 19, 2006 3:37:21 PM

So CripLord's post about Ultra boards is wrong?
This ASUS 650i SLI board will run a single card at 16x or 2 cards at 8x?
According to the Anandatech article that's standard behavior for the 650i SLI chipset:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=286...


This is dragging off topic a bit, but how fast are PCIe lanes compared to AGP lanes?
Can any card now even in theory deal with data faster than an AGP 8x slot?
Can any pair of cards do that? (maybe PCIe is a benefit to SLI/Crossfire setups?)
December 19, 2006 3:38:45 PM

Also, do 650i Ultra boards actually have a single chip for northbridge/southbridge?
I'd never heard that before CripLord's post up there.
December 19, 2006 5:15:44 PM

I haven't seen any news about or releases of a 650i Ultra based motherboard yet. Product announcements, yes, but no real info.

Asus has made available their 650i SLI motherboard which possibly gives some insight into what a 650i Ultra board might be like since both are based on the 650i version of the chipset. Here's a link to thread over on AnandTech with informal review comments from someone who bought the board.

-john
December 19, 2006 5:50:32 PM

This board (650i) is not really good (or at least for newbe like me) ....
I can easily get 400FSB ... but as when raise FSB to 401 ..... Mem Freq will drop down from 800 to 750+ .......

I can run my E6400 (3.2GHz) at vcore=1.5v (loaded) very stable .. but not on P5N-SLI 650i, geezzzzzz ....... must raised vcore to 1.56v (bios) ---or 1.54v (Loaded) to run stable.

NB/SB generates lots of heat .... Motherboard temp will be 33-34*C at idle ..... 36-37*C loaded.


Not playing around with the board much ... It is my initial observation.
December 19, 2006 5:55:12 PM

Yeah, sadly the board clock memory awfully, youll have to use a 14:11 ratio or similar to reach 500Mhz FSB.
The vdroop in this board is awful too (it's an Asus afterall), check Asus Probe for more accurate readings.
Get a small fan for the NB and a sink for SB, this is a really vanilla board...
December 19, 2006 5:57:02 PM

sbinh, what mobo is your E6400 stable at 1.5v?
At the same 400 MHz FSB on both boards?
December 19, 2006 6:03:33 PM

It was P5B Dlx ....

Also on P5N-E SLI 650i board, the NB voltage needs to be set pretty darn high (1.57+v) ..... Vmem can set to 2.25v on OCZ Gold .. (which I could NOT on P5B Dlx board)


rwaritsdario, how can you set RAM ratio to 14:11???
December 19, 2006 6:06:05 PM

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Vmem can set to 2.25v on OCZ Gold .. (which I could NOT on P5B Dlx board)
Are you talking about actual voltages or BIOS? Because I was aware the P5B D did 2.45v max in BIOS.
December 19, 2006 6:09:52 PM

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Vmem can set to 2.25v on OCZ Gold .. (which I could NOT on P5B Dlx board)
Are you talking about actual voltages or BIOS? Because I was aware the P5B D doesn 2.45v max in BIOS.

It's BIOS .... I once set it to 2.15v on P5B Dlx, system won't boot (OCZ2G800GK) .... but with same RAM on P5N-E SLI, i can set 2.25v with no problem.
December 19, 2006 7:28:17 PM

Ooh, and you have tried the exactly same setting? If so, what speed and timings have you tried on the P5B D?
December 19, 2006 10:39:00 PM

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Ooh, and you have tried the exactly same setting? If so, what speed and timings have you tried on the P5B D?


Both have same settings except vcore and vmem.
Only reason I use this new board is that it has SLI .... :D 
December 20, 2006 12:20:54 PM

This is what I got while running Orthor for more than 7 hrs ...(still running at this moment)



As you can see, I set RAM to 4-4-4-12 (on OCZ2G800GK which has 5-5-5-15) .... and vcore dropped from 1.55v (idle) to 1.50v (loaded)

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December 20, 2006 3:57:05 PM

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They do run on x8,

I'm sure that I saw on nVidia's site that they required x16 (electrical) :?:
& I've certainly seen on forums people having problems with them on x8 (electrical) SLI boards.
December 20, 2006 4:28:13 PM

Nobody said you had to play by Nvidia's rules :wink:
And the drivers for 8800 are generally buggy at this time, so I wouldnt think those problems will last forever.
December 20, 2006 4:29:50 PM

Very nice for first tweakings! Dont let the memory hold you back tough, remember you have tons of dividers.
December 20, 2006 5:27:51 PM

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Yeah, sadly the board clock memory awfully, youll have to use a 14:11 ratio or similar to reach 500Mhz FSB.


So the consensus is that the memory cannot be clocked above 800 Mhz on the 650is? That would be a deal breaker for me, as I have a couple sticks of Crucial Ballistix 1000 mhz I was hoping to use to their full extent.
December 20, 2006 11:56:02 PM

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Yeah, sadly the board clock memory awfully, youll have to use a 14:11 ratio or similar to reach 500Mhz FSB.


So the consensus is that the memory cannot be clocked above 800 Mhz on the 650is? That would be a deal breaker for me, as I have a couple sticks of Crucial Ballistix 1000 mhz I was hoping to use to their full extent.

No, it clocks the same as on every other board. I did 500mhz just fine.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=148489

Edit: I posted the wrong link.
January 3, 2007 7:33:01 PM

I would like to know where the 650i Ultra boards are as well. I am ready to build a new system just for me (one my wife won't take take over like the last). I never see running SLI, as I would just as soon buy a single card solution, and I don't need all of the bells and whistles that many of the other boards have. On paper, the 650i Ultra is exactly what I am looking for. I am hoping it turns out as well for Intel as the nForce4 Ultras were a year ago for AMD. Where are they?

BTW, I am looking to build a new system based on Intel platform for the same price point I built the PC in my sig line 9 months ago (was right around $1000). I am open to suggestions on a biggest bang for your buck these days? Moderate gamer, but not into overclocking (I preconfigured MSI settings in BIOS, and I think I have it up 10%).
January 3, 2007 8:12:39 PM

Talking about my thread eh... :idea:
January 13, 2007 5:59:55 AM

Vaporboard? :lol: 
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