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Buy One, Get One Free! Since AMD is unable to provide quad-core processors yet, it has now launched the dual processor "4x4" platform and two-processor kits to fight Intel's imminent Core 2 Quad threat. Socket 1207 and a pair of Athlon 64 FX-70 series CPUs do well, but they cannot counteract Intel's Core dominance - at least not yet.

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C’est magnifique, mais ce n’est pas la guerre.
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Beaten to death everywhere else and now it'll be beaten to death in a official thread.

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Wake me up before you go go.

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Way too many 4x4 threads... can't we just... have one?

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Windows Vista Ultimate RTM HAS been released, and is available to MSDN subscribers. I have the final Vista Ultimate running. Why doesn't THG? The article is littered with, "Well, AMD will probably run better on Vista Ultimate."

Not just that, but how many people will actually be running Vista Ultimate? It's $400. It's not like the glory days of Win 98 and Win 2000 where all you needed was a friend with access to corporate licensing or a little P2P savvy. Let's face it: I'm sure a LOT of entusiasts don't pay for the 5 or 6 OS' they have running on their home LAN. How many are going to favor a $400 OS license over an upgrade from a 7900GS to an 8800???

I liked the article other than the Vista references, and this:

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The results of our tests are somewhat ambiguous, so let's first summarize the pros and cons:



I didn't find the results ambiguous at all. They were clearly in Intel's favor. Was the conclusion written before the benches?

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This was more of an eye opener for me than I thought. Not that I was going to buy a 4x4 b/c of its "supieriority". Let me explain.

If you use 3Dmark0* to gauge your system, its a nice baseline, but just doesn't translate at all into the real world. I was aware of this, but not to the degree that are shown in the CPU charts:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

Looking at what I would realistically do, it still behooves me to buy an e6600 and OC it to x6800 speeds and above.@ $310 for an e6600, I can purchase a decent liquid cooling set up, still save a few hundred dollars and reach speeds over x6800 (probably spend 700 including cooling), outperforming an FX-74 or QX6700 in REAL LIFE.

Until we see some software that can take advantage of multithread CPUs such as these, stick with C2D. Its MUCH more bang for the buck.

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At least the Pricing is better.. hehe 2 for one looks like the motherboard will take a hit in th ewallet as well though. Was thinking of maybe trying this out but :? seems too expensive for me.

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HHHMMM...Maybe I would agree on you, benchmarks aren't everything, they only represent a small piece of the puzzle. Granted, it is a good standard to test on, it will never represent anything concrete. I would recommend a C2D to anyone, but would never really have one, would purchase an AMD if I had the option. You're not really gonna see the advantage over 4 CPU's to 2 at the minute...

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Way too many 4x4 threads... can't we just... have one?



We could SLI them in the spirit of 4x4. :twisted:

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I still can't get over this image; holy freaking god thats a ton of hardware packed into a very confined space.

http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/11/30/brute_force_quad_cores/platform-pers.jpg

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You could have added some benchmarks using the 8800 gtx...

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The more i look at it, the more it looks like a chipped up car engine. 8O

If someone would´ve shown me that picture 3 years ago, i would´ve said "nice photoshop".

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You could have added some benchmarks using the 8800 gtx...



They tried. Didn´t you read about the blackout in the newspaper?

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Anyone wanna try cable routing on this beast?

12 SATA cables, power cables for everything, not to mention the 10 fans that need to be powered...

Then throw in liquid cooling too... a bunch of tubes everywhere?

It'd take Picasso to build a computer with all that in there and still look nice.

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Do it yourself? Not unless you have plans on pulling out your hair and weeping in frustration. If I ever lost my mind and decided to buy one of these things, I'd leave it to the guys at Falcon to build. Let them route that thing.

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Do it yourself? Not unless you have plans on pulling out your hair and weeping in frustration. If I ever lost my mind and decided to buy one of these things, I'd leave it to the guys at Falcon to build. Let them route that thing.


Make sure they understand that you really, really want that 12 drive raid 0. :wink:

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"Sir could you please repeat that?.... A twelve drive configuration in RAID 0.... But its a Quad FX sir.... yes I understand that it's your money.... maybe you'd be better suited with an Alienware sir."

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Lol... gives shoehorn technology a face...
Reading some reviews really convinced me that the hw... is more of a joke than anything else... doesn't even give you any good oc and what a nightmare to find good coolers for that thingy...
The Dodo bird revived.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/425/1/

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I'm still happy with my P2B-D.

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Can it do 12 drive raid, I have a feeling since their's two dedicated controllers it can't raid between the two controllers, or I'm missing something here...

2 6 drive raid 0? Shrug...

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I've seen enough benchmarks from many different sources. My conclusion:

Quad FX = FAILURE

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