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December 1, 2006 1:18:22 AM

Hi

Yeah I am going to be upgrading my CPU and Video Card this christmass.
Basically this xmass is the only chance to get new hardware until late nextyear/early2009 (if you want details or want to know why, you can PM me)

My current setup is kind of good, but due to a power surge last night my CPU died. I am currently using an old AMD 63 3200 and well, gaming is not the same that with my 3700.

I'm going to be getting a new PSU, a X1950XT and a new CPU, but I can't decide which one.

My motherboard is this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130491
Socket 939 though that one is kind of weird cause the one I have has 1 PCI-E x1 and 1 PCI-E x4, not 2 PCI-EX1. But yeah its not the Platinum Ed.

I'm trying to find one new CPU (dual core,FX,w/e) under 250, preferably under 200.

Looked at these

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103526

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103545
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103627

thanks

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December 2, 2006 6:51:04 PM

All of those links were dead ends. The time it took you type all of that and provide links too, you could have just type it in.Need more system spec's. :wink:
December 2, 2006 9:50:14 PM

Well the very first link is my Motherboard (MSI K8N Neo4 Socket 939), the 3 last links were:

AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 San Diego at 2.6 ghz S 939
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600 + Toledo at 2.4 ghz S 939
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600 + Manchester at 2.4 ghz S 939

I am getting a new PSU as well

GFX: Ati Radeon X1950 XT 256MB
1GB (2x512) OCZ Gold Edition at 2.5-3-3-7
Western Digital HDD 120GB 7200 rpm
Current CPU is a AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Socket 939

Was looking at Opterons but Im not too sure ( I dont really want to overclock)

Thanks
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December 2, 2006 10:36:53 PM

Quote:
Well the very first link is my Motherboard (MSI K8N Neo4 Socket 939), the 3 last links were:

AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 San Diego at 2.6 ghz S 939
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600 + Toledo at 2.4 ghz S 939
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600 + Manchester at 2.4 ghz S 939

I am getting a new PSU as well

GFX: Ati Radeon X1950 XT 256MB
1GB (2x512) OCZ Gold Edition at 2.5-3-3-7
Western Digital HDD 120GB 7200 rpm
Current CPU is a AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Socket 939

Was looking at Opterons but Im not too sure ( I dont really want to overclock)

Thanks


if you can go the 4600 go for it.

i have the 4400 and my brother has the 4600
the 4600 runs cooler.

they are close in overall performance.
December 2, 2006 11:23:29 PM

Damn.. I was thinking of getting it around late January/early February (my birthday) if that's true I may get an opteron or a cheap one...

"Get the fastest you can afford, and do it relatively soon.... some 939's are already running dry and after Dec, no more orders are being taken by AMD for 939 CPUs, which means what is left is what is left."

Do you have the source of this info?
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December 3, 2006 1:41:31 PM

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Damn.. I was thinking of getting it around late January/early February (my birthday) if that's true I may get an opteron or a cheap one...

"Get the fastest you can afford, and do it relatively soon.... some 939's are already running dry and after Dec, no more orders are being taken by AMD for 939 CPUs, which means what is left is what is left."

Do you have the source of this info?


From the AMD fanboy site http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6839&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
December 3, 2006 2:28:17 PM

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Damn.. I was thinking of getting it around late January/early February (my birthday) if that's true I may get an opteron or a cheap one...

"Get the fastest you can afford, and do it relatively soon.... some 939's are already running dry and after Dec, no more orders are being taken by AMD for 939 CPUs, which means what is left is what is left."

Do you have the source of this info?


Part of the problem here is your low budget. I agree with others that you should get the very fastest that you can afford, at least the 4600+ of those you listed. Don't bother with the FX55, it isn't dual core. If you can stretch your budget and find a 4800+, go for it. It should overclock to nearly 3 ghz, if you're into overclocking, and if not, the larger cache holds a few advantages over the 4600+. Either way, you will be able to stretch the usability of the 939 for quite a few months.
December 3, 2006 4:21:11 PM

Go for the x2 4600+.
December 3, 2006 4:26:28 PM

I Just bought an opteron 170 for about $250 CDN and I am happy...
although I can see no real difference from my 3200+ which are both OC'd to 2.2 Ghz.

I guess I am not using the second core yet...It is a Toledo core, and reliable...
My memory is the SAME as yours.
December 3, 2006 6:40:03 PM

Yeah I was looking at that and I thought that a X2 4400+ was better because of the higher cache, and prollly cheaper but I cannot find one =/
December 3, 2006 6:53:14 PM

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Yeah I was looking at that and I thought that a X2 4400+ was better because of the higher cache, and prollly cheaper but I cannot find one =/


My previous cpu was a 4400+ and I could get it to 2860 mhz. The only real difference between a 4400+ and a 4800+ is the multiplier. Otherwise, they're the same. If you have some time, keep looking, you might find one someplace.

I don't think the 4600+ and its smaller cache is a waste of money. It depends a bit on what you're using it for. The larger cache is an advantage for sure, but if you can't find one, then you can't.

As for a guarentee that an Opty 170 is better, there are no guarentees with cpu's. A dozen may overclock very well and the one you get doesn't. It can be the cpu itself, or the combination of a particular cpu and the motherboard its sitting on. When overclocking, it an adventure where you try to something that isn't guarenteed to work. You try, and if it works, then good. If it doesn't, then at least you tried and probably learned something while trying.
December 3, 2006 7:00:31 PM

I was comparing some CPU's

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1...

And the 4600 hold it's own against the 4800 in some tests, though it gets beat by the 4400 in others (which I'm sure it's for the 1MB cache) and the price performance ratio, it's the first I see, 2nd being the 4400 and 3rd 4800. Shame that I can't see a direct comparison between the opterons and these ones.
December 3, 2006 7:11:44 PM

There's nothing wrong with a FX55 per se', but there is the question of whether buying one would be a step up or a step down. With most people going to dual core now, the old single core cpus are showing their age pretty bad.

The only problem I see with the 5000, 5600 and 6000 is that they necessitate a complete platform change involving not only the cpu, but buying a new motherboard and new ram. That builds up to a bunch of dollars fast. Then there is the question of little or no performance gain over a 939.

I picked up a FX60 last week for a decent price and have just started tweaking it. I'm happy with it so far and see no reason to change platforms just for the sake of change. But the race is on for the remaining 939 cpus. Like the old saying, the early bird gets the worm, or in this case, the cpu. One of these days, there won't be a choice among 939 cpus.
December 3, 2006 7:50:14 PM

I don't get it...So if I upgrade the drivers to optimize my dual core opteron 170 I will see an improvement?

ok ok...but on AMD's website there is no such upgrade for opterons...there is one for X2's...should I install this one?
December 3, 2006 8:14:06 PM

Wow I just got a OEM 3700 San Diego for 35 dollars on ebay, using my other's cooler and it's working like before. Allright. I was wondering now, will a jump from a 3700 to a X2 is worth it? I am getting a rather high end graphics card, and I'm afraid of bottlenecking the system. I do NOT want to OC this one CPU... so yeah is there much of a difference between those without overclocking? I might order this 4600 next weekend, around the 15th.

Is it worth it?
December 4, 2006 2:29:08 AM

well o nthe benchmarks and stuff I've seen around I notcied a 20%+ performance increase over the 3700 with the 4600 on some games.. which I can get for 250. The 4400 is more expensive and there's no 4800 on newegg, theres one on zipzoomfly but it's out of stock and 340$ which is just too much. I may just grab an opteron (Denmark 170 at 230$)but OC'ing is just too risky for me and I'd rather not spend more on an aftermarket cooler. So I don't know :( 
December 4, 2006 3:27:14 AM

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I don't get it...So if I upgrade the drivers to optimize my dual core opteron 170 I will see an improvement?

ok ok...but on AMD's website there is no such upgrade for opterons...there is one for X2's...should I install this one?


I don't know for sure about this. What you could do is to download the optimizer for the X2's and run it. If it helps, good. But it might do nothing. I've read that Microsoft included the optimizer in one of their updates, but I'm not sure if it applies to Opties, though. I Love Tacos suggested the same thing as far as the download. Its worth a try. At best, it will solve the problem and shouldn't hurt anything at worst.
December 4, 2006 3:34:06 AM

Allright so.. will I see a performance boost over the 3700? If so I'm leaning towards it.. since:

- No OC
- No 4400+ (noone on the market right now and its more expensive)
- No 4800+ (expensive... by 100$)
December 4, 2006 4:11:37 AM

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Allright so.. will I see a performance boost over the 3700? If so I'm leaning towards it.. since:

- No OC
- No 4400+ (noone on the market right now and its more expensive)
- No 4800+ (expensive... by 100$)


OK, reading over a couple posts that came in it appears you don't want to overclock. In that case, I'd definitly recommend the 4600+ as it runs at 2.4 ghz compared to the opty 170 running at 2.0 ghz. That's a 400 mhz advantage, and I'd take the 400 mhz.

And yes, the 4600+ should run better than a 3700+, both because its dual core instead of single core and because its 200 mhz faster than the 3700+.
December 4, 2006 7:33:21 PM

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True, but I seriously think it would be a shame to get a more expensive processor when the opty 165 can oc safely to atleast 2.8

Trust me, you will wish that you tried ocing an opty after you try that 4600, or atleast get the 170 and take it up to 2.4, it is cheaper and will be better for gaming (more cache, better processor - servers are the top of the crop)


I do trust you about the overclocking. I've read often enough of Opties being taken to high numbers that I have no doubt it can be done. My words were only based on the OP's statement that he doesn't want to overclock.
December 4, 2006 8:55:08 PM

Actually I may. The 4600+ sold in a 5 min span. lol and I doubt they're going to restock it. So let's see I have until the 15th to decide and "add to cart"
December 4, 2006 9:16:41 PM

yeah considering it. will it bottleneck any high end gfx? 8800gts/gtx
December 4, 2006 9:24:25 PM

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If it gets fried (which I 100% guarantee you it will last until about 3ghz on stock), I bet we can find a way to get you another processor (newegg never actually checks to see how the processor dies, I bet you could get away with doa as a reason :roll: )


Cough, cough. You mean like the time I got carried away with a new FX55 and the computer would run about 5 seconds before shutting down? :roll: Overclock, who overclocks? What's overclock mean? It just didn't work, must be a DOA part.
December 4, 2006 10:07:13 PM

Also what is this "CCBBE 0615EPMW" seems to be in some reviews in newegg. I may get it up to 2.4 GHZ o nthe stock cooling and voltage and everything hope it manages. Will it bottleneck a 8800 GTS?
December 4, 2006 10:31:44 PM

Yeah with a 8800gts Im planning on running stuff at 1600x1200 max details.. and I will OC that 170 as much as I can with the stock fan and heatsink and voltage.
December 4, 2006 10:56:09 PM

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It should overclock to nearly 3 ghz, if you're into overclocking
Yeah, with some very exotic cooling; I have an X2 4800+ and overclocking has never been that great; I hit 2.8GHz on air with a much higher voltage, but the ends doesn't justify the means.
December 4, 2006 11:20:48 PM

Fear me for i am running my opty 170 CCBBE 0615EPMW
Non Overclocked. :evil: 
December 4, 2006 11:29:52 PM

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Fear me for i am running my opty 170 CCBBE 0615EPMW
Non Overclocked. :evil: 


why and what is your performance using it?
December 4, 2006 11:47:57 PM

the point of socket 939 opty's is low cost servers and workstations
and why i dont oc is because i dont need to
stock settings play HQ video files just fine, and encoding goes
just as fast. that and i am running it in a Antec Titan 550 case
along with 6x 320gb seagate sata harddrives.
110% stability is a must

that is a funny picture btw.
December 5, 2006 12:57:12 AM

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It should overclock to nearly 3 ghz, if you're into overclocking
Yeah, with some very exotic cooling; I have an X2 4800+ and overclocking has never been that great; I hit 2.8GHz on air with a much higher voltage, but the ends doesn't justify the means.

I managed 2750 on my 4400+ before stability problems occured. When I moved to my FX60, I was having a few problems 2990, but then today I discovered a problem in the ram. I'm waiting for Corsair to send the RMA instructions. I'm hoping to break 3 gig with the new ram.
December 5, 2006 1:44:41 AM

performance is adequate for my purposes, i havent run any benchmarks or similar since i feel that is rather a waste of time. if it works it works.
and to why i got a opty? easy, all socket 939 x2's has all but dried upp here in sweden. the only reasonable priced x2 i could find was a 4200 and this 170 was cheaper :wink:
socket 939 x2's are horribly overpriced with a x2 4800 costing 5900sek
thats about 870$, not joking about that one either.
December 5, 2006 10:40:20 PM

the opteron 170 counterpart (x2 3800) was beaten in every benchmark, let me find the link I'll post it later. And a 4600-4800 would be too much cause its like 100-120 more.
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