Water cooling.

If you do get it please post and let us know how well it performs.

WTF?

I owned a Thermaltake BigWater SE before. I believe 760i is their second generation of water cooling products, but oh boy their first generation sucked, sucked, sucked. The cooling capacity is practically zero, and you'll be better off having the stock cooler on, than dropping those Jacksons on the water cooling systems.

I'm certainly not an expert on this, but I'm sure of the following: The water block must look something like this to maximize surface area.


...and this is Thermaltake 760i's CPU cooler:


You won't have much cooling capacity, I guarantee

Anyway, with the same amount of money, I highly recommend this over 760i.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835108075

However, keep in mind that a 1x120 radiator is only good for a dual core, not a quad core (especially an overclocked one). If you have an overclocked quad, I highly recommend this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835108076

Hope this helps.


p.s. I actually know a very decent water cooling guide, which guides you from start to finish. However, that site apparently is blocked from THG .

Ah. I see.

If you're just using the system, the stock or even an aftermarket aircooler works well enough. The Black Edition AMD aircoolers are pretty close to aftermarket as it is.

I'm only using watercooling because I'm overclocking quite heavily and live in a warmish climate.

It would at that.

The only times I've seen watercooling in non-overclocked setups is when the owner/operator has been going for bragging rights.

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You went expensive...... I've got a $10 cooler on my Black Edition clocked to 3 gigs & I'm running 23 to 27c.... I believe that with the 65 nm AMD cores you'll run out of core before you heat up OCing.... Heat just isn't an issue even with the cheapest of coolers.....

Like I say, this is about as cheap as it gets..... [/laugh]

No copper, but I did remove the thermal pad & used the high quality $1.99 Radio Shack thermal grease I've used on a bunch of machines.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835103012

Frugal is what it is.... I never spend more than I need to on anything....

There's a story behind the cooler.... I got my new build shipped in & went to building.... I went to slap in the CPU & the box felt awful light.... Opened the box & no cooler.... I go WTF???? Then I went back & looked at the ad & it said cooler not included.... I go sh-t!!!!

Being as we only have 3 parts stores that are a year off the cutting edge I figured I was screwed & would have to order on line.... (Let me mention that I actually had 2 machines in the same condition. 1 of them mine & the other for a client)....

Late Fri. night I want in Comp USA... All they had was a god awful looking Zelman cooler I knew was over kill.... The guy said it was the only fan they had for socket AM2.... I bought 2 of them for $38 & went home....

The next morning I went to install the first one & it wouldn't fit... Damm!!! They weren't for socket AM2 at all!!!! I had to take them back....

I went to the next shop & they only had 1 cooler for AM2.... Being as I needed 2 of them I was still screwed.... I didn't want to wait a week to get coolers on line!!!!

Went to the 3rd shop & couldn't find any AM2 coolers & was about to leave.... The guy asked me what I was looking for???? I said socket AM2 coolers & you don't seem to have any..... He said yes we do & came over to where I was looking... He couldn't find any of the either.... Went in the back & came out & said they're in the bargain bin.... There they were, marked $5.... I bought the 2 of them & was I was happy as a bug in a rug!!!

Like I say with the 5000 Black, heat isn't an issue... I've had mine post @ 3.4 gigs, but couldn't finish 3Dmark with it.... I played for quite awhile finding the sweet spot, which ended up being 3.0..... If I kick it up to 3.1 I start crashing in 3Dmark.... I feel that the chip would run @ 3.2 to 3.3 with a voltage mod... One day I will over volt it, after I've had it awhile... But for now I'm really happy with the 5000 Black & the setup I'm running....

I haven't touched the FSB at all.... I've only multiplier OCed.... That's the beauty of the Black, It's multiplier is unlocked & you can change it.... Your board should have a place to change it as well in the BIOS.... If not, you might need to flash to a newer BIOS... On the MSI I can change to whole & half multipliers such as 13, 13.5, 14 & so on.... I've heard, but can't say that it works best on the whole numbers....

stk multiplier = 13
200 = stk FSB before the dual pump, 400
13 x 200 = 2600 or 2.6 gigs.

Change the multiplier to 15
15 x 200 = 3000 or 3.0 gigs.

Change the multiplier to 15.5
15.5 x 200 = 3100 or 3.1 gigs.

I'm running mine at a multiplier of 15.... I haven't tried the 15.5 multiplier yet, but I failed 3Dmark with a 16 multiplier.... I know with a tad more voltage I could run the 16 multiplier without a problem.... However I OC as far as I can with stk voltages.... After I've ran the chip for a year or so, then is when I overvolt them... That way I can buy a cheap replacement CPU if it fails.....

You don't see a point to overclocking? I went from roughly 7000 points in 3D Mark 06 to just under 10K by upping my CPU frequency.

@ RC - I understand that the unlocked multiplier is nice, but that chip can do more, I know it. My multiplier won't go any higher than 15, and my board won't support half steps. But there's a good chance I could get the FSB to 230 or so with that 15x multiplier. 230 * 15 = 3450.

Like I said, I don't think my board likes it a whole lot, so I'm looking at getting a new board before I push it. ALso, when you do overvolt it, make sure your cooling is sufficient. I went from 15 to 16 with a decent bump in voltage. My temps were still OK, but they were certainly high. At that point, I do agree that the OC doesn't make much sense. I'm not trying to squeeze my chip into the red and run it constantly. If I find a point where my temps jump a bunch, but it's stable, I'll prolly back it down a bit.

Yeah, because I have all kinds of disposable cash to throw at a new GPU or CPU whenever I want. [/sarcasm]

Yes, 3D Mark is just a program, but it shows what kind of improvements you get when you make changes. That was how I found that on my system, the fastest option is to run with a ready boost drive AND a swap file. That turned out to be fastest.

And the game I play is bottle necked by both CPU and GPU. Both upgrades improved my playability.

Yeah, I'm not looking to go that far, but I'm looking to run stable and cool, but as fast as I can.

If I squeeze another 200 MHz out of it but the temp goes up 10 degrees, I'll likely back off again.

The only water cooling that you need is one that is associated with an unfortunate drowning. [/Tom]

*starts cleaning spray off keyboard*

Who didn't know that????

Did she get a new hair style out of it?

Its a good thing we all made her above average.

We thank you, oh great Creator.

Ive got the same one but with an aftermarket block (Thermaltake UFO) http://www.thermaltake.com/product [...] -w0092.asp , The stock block was **** but its all easy to put together and the quick release valves are reliable. Get one you'll not be disappointed.

A little help from Jim, Jack, and Johnny probably did more help than you could yourself.

/vengeful

Isn't everything perfect or acceptable when drunk?

"throroughly"? In the throes of roughly doing something?

Yes, thank you.

Pfft. Like you've ever bought someone a drink. I thought your style was to mooch off your work colleagues and then flee to the bogs?