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December 4, 2006 2:10:28 AM

How is this build?

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COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-WW Black/Silver Aluminum Bezel, SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
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CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400C4 - Retail
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Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Conroe 2.13GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6400 - Retail
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ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro CPU Cooler - Retail
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December 4, 2006 2:12:35 AM

get some arctic silver 5 for the cooler, other then that it looks good.
December 4, 2006 4:14:34 AM

Yep, AS5.


No optical drive??
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December 4, 2006 4:15:33 AM

Bleh, decided to wait a week cause the case was sold out. I already have optical drives/monitor/keyboard + mouse/OS
December 4, 2006 5:10:42 AM

No need for AS5. IIRC that CPU cooler comes with ceramique pre-applied. Using AS5 would just be a useless hassle to get the same performance. I could be wrong, though, maybe AC stopped doing that. Everything looks good to me, go for it!
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December 5, 2006 2:54:23 AM

Chil is right;
Arctic-Cooling Freezer 7 PRO reviewComes with the right amount of thermal compound pre-applied to the heatsink.
Makes installation easier, faster and more accurate than having to clean the heatsink and then manually apply AS5.
December 5, 2006 4:04:40 AM

Has it been 10 minutes yet...?
December 5, 2006 4:07:13 AM

I really hate those people that are like.. OMG DOES THIS LOOK GOOD IM SUBMITTING ORDER NOW!

If you want peoples opinions than why are you ordering now.. ask 2-3 weeks for help AHEAD of ordering.
December 5, 2006 4:14:37 AM

Well I guess you hate me then, but I did spend about 15 hours on various computer websites/forums on saturday/sunday, and I just wanted to know if I made the good choice. I didn't make the order btw, the case I wanted sold out.
December 5, 2006 1:09:09 PM

Naw, researching you did is great. It's just that asking "10 minutes" in advance of your purchase doesn't give anyone time to answer properly. Alot of people aren't sitting in front of their computer, hitting refresh every 2 minutes to watch this thread lol ;) 

Researching is smart. He's just saying to ask the "critique/suggestion" questions and post a few days before actually buying it, so that people will have time to read and respond.

No biggie man, good luck with the purchase!
December 5, 2006 2:17:28 PM

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Well I guess you hate me then, but I did spend about 15 hours on various computer websites/forums on saturday/sunday, and I just wanted to know if I made the good choice. I didn't make the order btw, the case I wanted sold out.


:lol:  I have been researching my new comp since early november... but mostly waiting for prices to drop.... Damn AMD... didn't even get Intel to flinch!!
December 5, 2006 3:01:21 PM

I couldn't imagine spending over a grand on a pc and not having a better vid card. Not that the 7600GT is a slouch, but that's a pretty sweet rig with a lesser vid card. Guess it dpends what the rig is for though.

Corsair makes good ram, but you're paying extra for the name. There's other ram out there you may be able to get for a better price w/o giving up quality. Sink the extra cash into a better card.

What other sites did you look at? I spent almost a month researching mine before I ordered. Ended up getting parts from 3 different places. Saved me about $40. Mwave ($10 coupon when you sign up), zipzoomfly (was offering free shipping), and newegg (offering free shipping as of yesterday-up to $20) made for a good combination.
December 5, 2006 8:35:58 PM

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What other sites did you look at? I spent almost a month researching mine before I ordered. Ended up getting parts from 3 different places. Saved me about $40. Mwave ($10 coupon when you sign up), zipzoomfly (was offering free shipping), and newegg (offering free shipping as of yesterday-up to $20) made for a good combination.


Yeah... using -Non- Newegg sites I was able to put a Brobdingnagian dent in the already exhorbitant tally.

My estimate exceeds $700 U.S. saved... based on the Newegg One Day sale of $1699 for a QX6700.
December 5, 2006 10:23:16 PM

Any suggestions for a better card?

I am still unsure of motherboard/RAM
For mobo, I am thinking of
-gigabyte ds3
-asus p5b
-asus p5b deluxe
-evga 680i (forget what its called but its $250)

RAM I am thinking of
-G. Skill 2 gb ddr2 pc800
-OCZ 2gb ddr2 pc800
-Corsair 2gb ddr2 pc800

Any suggestions would help a lot, thanks.
December 5, 2006 10:27:32 PM

1) there are lots of better cards, so if you could give a budget that would help alot

2) all those mobos are good, but again it depends on your budget and whether you plan on overclocking (and if so, how high)?

3) RAM....same as above.....depends on budget.

So give that info and I'm sure you'll get some answers pretty quick:

budgets and overclocking?
December 5, 2006 10:28:31 PM

Budget: Trying to go under 1100
Overclocking: 3.0 would be amazing, I would be satisfied with just under that, maybe 2.7, 2.8.
December 5, 2006 10:33:43 PM

Mobos: 680i > P5B Deluxe > DS3 > P5B

RAM: Corsair > OCZ > G.Skill

So on your budget, your best best is probably the DS3 and G.Skill. You should be able to hit 3.0 no problem.....an aftermarket HSF is recommended if you can drop the extra $35 or so ;) 



As for vid card, that's alot more open-ended.....depends on how demanding you are, what games you play, and how much $$ is left over after the other parts.
December 5, 2006 10:39:40 PM

Well, if I go with the DS3 and G. Skill it comes to 980. So I guess I could spend another 40-60 on a graphics card.

And, can I get to 3.0 on a stock cooler/heatsink? If not, what cooler/heatsink do you recommend?

And, what does a heatsink do exactly?
December 5, 2006 10:47:21 PM

Yes, spend the extra $$ on a better vid card. Just gotta figure which one..... ;) 

Aftermarket heatsink keeps the CPU cooler than a stock one. Lower temps = higher overclock.

3.0 is possible on a stock heatsink, but you'll be cutting it closer than if you had an aftermarket one.

There are many good HSF's out there, and everyone has a personal preference (though some DO provide better cooling) but for something that's a decent price there are about a handful:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...


A couple of them are HUGE, but they work great.
December 5, 2006 11:17:06 PM

Go with the S3 instead of the DS3. Saves you $30, and you won't know the difference. IMO, you should be able to hit 3.0 with the 6400 with stock HSF. Yeah, the others will cool better, but if you're not pushing it to extremes...

I have the 6300 on the S3 board with stock HSF. Currently at a 400 FSB which gives me 2.8. Temps are good, and stable so far. 30 min of Prime95 under torture mode with no errors. It's still running at home, will be 12+ hours by then time I check it. Hopefully there's still no errors. :)  Only had to bump the vcore up one notch.

I used the G.Skill 800Mhz ram, and having no issues. Running at stock 1.9V.

Good upgrade on the vid card would be the 7900GS.
December 5, 2006 11:20:48 PM

can you give me a good suggestion for the 7900 gs, i can get pny 7900gs at bestbuy for 150 + tax, but on newegg theres so many other choices. and about the s3 suggestion, i dont know 30 dollars does seem like there would be something different...
December 5, 2006 11:26:19 PM

Is this for gaming? why are you so obsessed with OCing the cpu, this requires better ram but in reality most games are gpu limited so I don't understand why you would spend more on your ram than the video card. Just my thoughts but I'd get a cheaper mb and cheaper ram and get a better video card.
December 5, 2006 11:26:54 PM

Gigabyte tech staff has confirmed there is NO DIFFERENCE between the S3 and the DS3, except for the solid capacitors. They overclock the same.
December 5, 2006 11:39:26 PM

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can you give me a good suggestion for the 7900 gs, i can get pny 7900gs at bestbuy for 150 + tax, but on newegg theres so many other choices. and about the s3 suggestion, i dont know 30 dollars does seem like there would be something different...


The evga one is a good card, and it's OCd. $179.99 before the $20 mail-in rebate. Think they have free shipping up to $20 for the next week or so. The PNY is fine, but good luck finding it in stock. Live in the Dallas area, and couldn't find one here.
December 6, 2006 3:10:28 AM

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Is this for gaming? why are you so obsessed with OCing the cpu, this requires better ram but in reality most games are gpu limited so I don't understand why you would spend more on your ram than the video card. Just my thoughts but I'd get a cheaper mb and cheaper ram and get a better video card.


... Overclocking... doesn't help game performance? What does it do then?
December 6, 2006 3:21:03 AM

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Is this for gaming? why are you so obsessed with OCing the cpu, this requires better ram but in reality most games are gpu limited so I don't understand why you would spend more on your ram than the video card. Just my thoughts but I'd get a cheaper mb and cheaper ram and get a better video card.


... Overclocking... doesn't help game performance? What does it do then?
Mainly your vid card. OCing a CPU main gain you a few FPS at best. Ram can make a difference sometimes in games that are memory intensive. BF1942 anyone?
December 6, 2006 3:23:52 AM

So what does overclocking do to a computer then?

...Have I wasted two weeks of my life building something I am not even going to utilize correctly? Rater "experimental building" in adding to my newegg wishlist.

I just want a computer that will last 3-4 years and be able to play games on it. If I don't need to overclock, then I won't.

My ideal situation is playing WoW at max resolution while having iTunes, AIM, and internet on at the same time and be able to switch quickly between programs.
December 6, 2006 3:42:12 AM

In that case, drop to the 6300. Get the S3 board instead of the DS3. Go for some Corsair value ram. Not sure about the 7600GT running WoW at max. Think it should be ok tho. Used to play it my old 9500Pro w/o any problems. Couldn't tell you what the settings were on.

You won't need an aftermarket HS or fan either. Stock one will do you just fine.
December 6, 2006 3:44:36 AM

But see, that computer will get outdated faster. I don't plan to play WoW for the entire time that I have this computer, and I want to make sure I have parts that will give decent performance no matter what I do.
December 6, 2006 3:52:39 AM

Ok, so get the 6400 with the S3 board, and an X1950Pro for the vid card. Still don't think you need an aftermarket HS and fan if you're not gonna OC. Temps will be fine on the stock one.

I plan for my PC to last me at least 3 years.

Giga S3 mobo
C2D 6300 @2.8
2X512 G.Skill PC6400
250GB HDD
500W PSU

800Mhz Ram is overkill for you if you're not going to OC. Get 533 or 667. Also, like I said before, for just normal everyday use, the Corsair Value Select will do you just fine. Ran it in my old pc over 2 years w/o any problems.

IMO the 7600GT will not last you 3-4 years. It may still work, but may not keep up, and wil probably need to be replaced sooner than the 7900GS or X1950Pro.
December 6, 2006 3:57:00 AM

OK, Can you please tell me what overclocking EXACTLY does? There must be some reason why so many people do it.
December 6, 2006 4:07:04 AM

Lol, I think a lot of people do it simply because they can.

It speeds up your PC. Just like a 2.8G cpu is faster than a 1.87 cpu. OCing allows you to buy the cheaper 1.87, and OC it to 2.8 speeds. Not to say you won't notice any difference in gaming, just not much. An extra 3 or so FPS won't be noticeable to you. Your games may load a little faster, and/or log out faster though.

Someone can probably give you a better explanation, but that's the basics. Most games rely heavily on the GPU (vid card) for performance. That's why the suggestion to drop to the 6300, cheaper ram, no after market HSF, etc. Will allow you to spend the money on a better vid card.

I'm not to crazy about spending $100 on a PSU, but if it's strong enough, will give you room for upgrades later. That part is up to you.
December 6, 2006 11:49:58 AM

Clutch... if you want to future proof your computer even a little you should get the 8800 series Nvidia card GTX or GTS... they will utilize DX10. Then you will need a solid Mobo and CPU to support the Vid Card.

An E6400 with a S975 / 680i mobo will not need to be OCed... but... they will certainly be able to handle it. If when somewhere down the line you decide to... you can increase the performance of the 6 month - 1 year old computer you already have to achieve speeds that will keep you from having to do yet another upgrade.

Upgrading right away will simply give you a warm fuzzy... that you bought low and stretched performance.

With an 8800 or better(when they arrive) you will have a beast of a Vid Card... and will be quite happy with performance until Gates decides to start using 128Bit operating systems :wink:
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