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December 4, 2006 3:14:15 AM

QUAD-CORE PRICES: When is it suppose to reach affordable prices? At least when can we see it under $600 ?

How many months? I am tired to wait! :evil:  WTH!
December 4, 2006 3:18:34 AM

Mid next year, ish.

I assume you mean the processor alone.
December 4, 2006 4:33:53 AM

When the QX6300/6400 is released I guess... you might have to wait a few months. :wink:
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December 4, 2006 8:49:30 AM

Don't hold your breath...It'll be a LLLOOONNNGGG time till they reduce that...Look at the extreme editions of P4, they took forever to be reduced in prices...
December 4, 2006 5:29:32 PM

Well I don't think comparing it to the extreme editions price makes much sense because extreme editions are always going to be $600-1000 or highest priced. The better question is when they will release quad core for the non rich/extreme/industry. You know the $200-600 price range than normal people can afford. I know $200 won't be seen forever but you understand my point. Right now it's only the extreme and I think this might be due to wanting to keep regular C2D prices up and also they can only phase manufacturing so fast. They just retooled for C2D, how much manufacturing effort are they going to put into quad cores. I'm sure they want these to be well over $1000 until amd releases theirs.
December 4, 2006 5:40:26 PM

I'm betting quad-cores become mainstream in mid 08 at the earliest, maybe 09...

Meaning they will be about the prices of C2D's now...
December 5, 2006 12:26:39 AM

Mmmmm, so if the price gets below $500 for an Intel Quad Core is that considered mainstream. Since this would fall into the higher mainstream price for a Conroe I am considering that it mainstream.

I'm betting Intel will release a Quad Core that falls under $500 before the end of Q1.
December 5, 2006 1:16:25 AM

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Mmmmm, so if the price gets below $500 for an Intel Quad Core is that considered mainstream. Since this would fall into the higher mainstream price for a Conroe I am considering that it mainstream.

I'm betting Intel will release a Quad Core that falls under $500 before the end of Q1.


And I'll have to agree with you.... But I like to play on the safe side and I'll say by Q2 2007.
December 5, 2006 2:15:05 AM

I hope so. I won't buy the Extreme edition until is too expensive. I am waiting that the prices of the quad-core will drop under $600.
December 5, 2006 3:23:40 AM

Dream on. Not being nasty, just realistic. By the time the quads come even close to your $600 (it was $1700 a while back on newegg) the 8 and 16 core solutions will be out allready and you wouldn't want your quad anymore. Then you'll wait for that to drop in price and the circle goes on...
December 5, 2006 3:57:56 AM

$600 for a quad.. probably errr... never.
December 5, 2006 4:22:09 AM

Sounds about right.

Some day when we have 128 core cpus and the quads reach 486 status then maybe. :wink:
December 5, 2006 6:17:33 AM

End of Q1?
Of which year?
I hope you don't mean 2007... cause that ain't gonna happen!
The market is far from having fully transitioned to dual core.. it's hard to justify quad cores for the masses!
Here we should always remember that the perspective of enthusiasts is completely skewed, most people is probably fine even with a single core.
So quad core, being an enthusiast's CPU, IMO is gonna stay in the "extreme" range at least throughout the whole 2007.
When Intel fully transitions to 45nm and native quad core, then *maybe* we'll see a push toward the upper mainstream market.
December 5, 2006 6:19:28 AM

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When the QX6300/6400 is released I guess... you might have to wait a few months. :wink:


At least more than a year from now.

Intel will announce Q6600 next month with a rumoured price tag of $851.
December 5, 2006 7:17:04 AM

Well, from what my friend at Intel was hinting to me, you will see the Q6600 in January and then the plan is to release lower speed Quad cores later in Q1.

Of course. Marketing pressure or strategic advantage can cause a launch date to change.

Remember, most of the press sites received both the QX6700 and a Q6600. So after the Q6600 comes out in January from what my friend was saying and they plan on releasing a 2.13GHz and maybe a 1.86GHz Quad core for the masses.

The rumor price for the Q6600 is $851. That means a Q6400 (2.13GHz) would most likely be introduced around $500.

Not to mention the talk about a faster Conroe Extreme coming out in Q1 and also a E6800 locked part.

Of course if my friend was feeding me a line then this discussion is moot. :?

Then there is the E4400 and E4300 that is also supposed to come out in the first half of 2007. This is going to hit AMD in the low end of things along with the E2xxx series that are the new Pentium processors.

The only thing I see delaying Intel from introducing the lower end Conroe's is the inventory of Preslers and Cedarmill processors.
December 5, 2006 8:10:27 AM

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When the Q6300/6400 is released I guess... you might have to wait a few months. :wink:


At least more than a year from now.

Intel will announce Q6600 next month with a rumoured price tag of $851.

Eh, that was before AMD released the $599 FX-70. I'm hoping that will drive down prices of Intel QC further (one of the only 'positives' of the QuadFX at this stage ;)  ).

Besides, there are ES Q6300/6400s at Xtremesys already... and you know what that means. :wink:
December 5, 2006 8:17:15 AM

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When the Q6300/6400 is released I guess... you might have to wait a few months. :wink:


At least more than a year from now.

Intel will announce Q6600 next month with a rumoured price tag of $851.

Eh, that was before AMD released the $599 FX-70. I'm hoping that will drive down prices of Intel QC further (one of the only 'positives' of the QuadFX at this stage ;)  ).

Besides, there are ES Q6300/6400s at Xtremesys already... and you know what that means. :wink:

Any news about that?
December 5, 2006 8:27:39 AM

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When the Q6300/6400 is released I guess... you might have to wait a few months. :wink:


At least more than a year from now.

Intel will announce Q6600 next month with a rumoured price tag of $851.

Eh, that was before AMD released the $599 FX-70. I'm hoping that will drive down prices of Intel QC further (one of the only 'positives' of the QuadFX at this stage ;)  ).

Besides, there are ES Q6300/6400s at Xtremesys already... and you know what that means. :wink:

Any news about that?

Nah it was just a CPU-Z screenshot IIRC, I saw it a while back...

Your guess is as good as mine when they will be released... I guess Intel will decide depending on market conditions. Hopefully sooner than later.

I guess the thing for Intel is pricing between QC and DC. Ideally they wouldn't overlap too much but I think it's inevitable looking at current Core2 prices.

It won't be like AMD where the best single core is still cheaper than an X2 3600+.
December 5, 2006 8:35:09 AM

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Well, from what my friend at Intel was hinting to me, you will see the Q6600 in January and then the plan is to release lower speed Quad cores later in Q1.


Is there any news on faster Quads? (Yes, I know, I'm a speed junkie!!!) 8)
December 5, 2006 8:42:43 AM

Mmmmm, yes but no date that I have heard. It will be just a single speed upgrade. I believe this will be the last one until the 1333 FSB processors come out in the 2nd half of 2007.

Since the word is that these processors are supposed to be run on the new Bearlake chipset so if they match the same schedule that they did for the Broadwater chipset don't expect these until July or later.

This would change if AMD comes out with faster 65nm parts than the 2.8GHz parts.
December 5, 2006 8:55:49 AM

Looks like AMD has to do something as that Anandtech review of the 4x4 is fairly embarassing. Looks like even a 3.2 GHz FX76 won't regain the performance crown for AMD. So it looks like the QX6700 is the king of the castle until mid-summer at the earliest?
December 5, 2006 8:56:02 AM

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Well, from what my friend at Intel was hinting to me, you will see the Q6600 in January and then the plan is to release lower speed Quad cores later in Q1.


Is there any news on faster Quads? (Yes, I know, I'm a speed junkie!!!) 8)

Overclocking my friend. QX6700s are generally overclocking to around the 3.5GHz mark on high end air cooling. 8)
December 5, 2006 8:58:40 AM

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Overclocking my friend. QX6700s are generally overclocking to around the 3.5GHz mark on high end air cooling. 8)


Granted, but I'm a bit concerned with the OC/longevity curve. The more you squeeze your CPU the faster it should crack. I'm not sure that I want to start pumping a lot of extra juice into a thousand-dollar processor.
December 5, 2006 9:30:39 AM

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Overclocking my friend. QX6700s are generally overclocking to around the 3.5GHz mark on high end air cooling. 8)


Granted, but I'm a bit concerned with the OC/longevity curve. The more you squeeze your CPU the faster it should crack. I'm not sure that I want to start pumping a lot of extra juice into a thousand-dollar processor.

They say the typical lifespan of a CPU is 10 years. The longest I've kept an overclocked CPU is 3 1/2 years, a P4 2.6C @ 3.3GHz, still working perfectly to this day. My XP-M 2500+ @ 2.6GHz is not far behind at 3 years... still running as strong as day one.

So I say overclocking within reason (Vcore within 10% of stock) shouldn't degrade CPU too much. How long do you plan on keeping a CPU anyway?

What generally happens if that if you pushed the chip too hard initially the stable overclock speed will degrade over time. This usually happens to the 'hardcore' overclockers who must squeeze every last MHz out of their chip for bragging rights. 8)
December 5, 2006 11:38:23 AM

I had a friend who couldn't make a CPU last more than a month. But as you've said, that was because he was a "hardcore squeezer".
December 5, 2006 12:34:46 PM

Meh... OC'ing fairly useless to me, I just do it because I can...

Quad-cores might drop down to around $500, but that is nowhere near mainstream since that's the upper range of C2D's right now and how many people really buy a E6700?

I figure mainstream is when Tier 1 Integrators actually start selling them to the masses i.e. non-gaming lines. Late 07, early 08 at the earliest, most likely after Intel and AMD both come out with their native quad-core solutions. But then the native quad-core will probably also herald a jump in price... I guess we'll see.

AMD's 4x4 is a non-factor right now. It will probably show potential in the future with Barcelona, but with the current FX packages offered it leaves a lot to be desired. It's the Hummer of the computing world... take it as you like.
December 5, 2006 1:21:42 PM

I believe the question was, when will Quad cores be below $600. All you people saying it will be 2008 or even 2009 are crazy. If $800 Q6600 is coming out in Q1 of next year (like some of you have said) than I easily see sub-600 prices in the next 6 months.
December 5, 2006 1:29:41 PM

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I believe the question was, when will Quad cores be below $600. All you people saying it will be 2008 or even 2009 are crazy. If $800 Q6600 is coming out in Q1 of next year (like some of you have said) than I easily see sub-600 prices in the next 6 months.


I agree. The lower ends of the Intel Quad line will definitely be around the $500 mark by Summertime and even the QX6700 shoudl be around the $800 pricepoint by then. Unless AMD comes out with some incredible 45nm 4GHz superwonderthingy, the QX6700 should still be the reigning king. That is one hell of a price/performance ratio.
December 5, 2006 2:24:30 PM

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Mmmmm, so if the price gets below $500 for an Intel Quad Core is that considered mainstream. Since this would fall into the higher mainstream price for a Conroe I am considering that it mainstream.

I'm betting Intel will release a Quad Core that falls under $500 before the end of Q1.


Nope, sorry.

Unless Intel drastically changes its plans, it only intends to introduce the QX6600 in January. At an $851 price point (which I see was already mentioned)-and then add on markup. Quad core parts will only be 5% of Intel's total production for at least the first 6-8 months of 2007, with only the QX6600 and the QX6700 representing.

You're lucky to find the QX6700 below $1100 and it's supposedly $999. Expect continuing markups on both, as Intel intends to hold them at $999 and $851 respectively through late Q2/early Q3.

They might intro some lower QCs in the latter half of '07-more likely Q4, if at all-but they probably won't, and AMD would have to do something phenomenal to push Intel that far. Same goes for price drops.

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End of Q1?
Of which year?
I hope you don't mean 2007... cause that ain't gonna happen!
The market is far from having fully transitioned to dual core.. it's hard to justify quad cores for the masses!
Here we should always remember that the perspective of enthusiasts is completely skewed, most people is probably fine even with a single core.
So quad core, being an enthusiast's CPU, IMO is gonna stay in the "extreme" range at least throughout the whole 2007.
When Intel fully transitions to 45nm and native quad core, then *maybe* we'll see a push toward the upper mainstream market.


Fully agree with you, good sir.
December 6, 2006 4:03:43 AM

Yeah, I'd love to see that. Just like the "$1000" QX6700. It's $1700 at newegg and they are supposed to be the cheap ones!!!
December 6, 2006 7:22:52 AM

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Yeah, I'd love to see that. Just like the "$1000" QX6700. It's $1700 at newegg and they are supposed to be the cheap ones!!!


I know a guy who picked up a QX6700 at a local shop for $895. Don't ask me how and I can assure you that shop doesn't have any more. (I tried to get him to buy me one!!!) :twisted:
December 6, 2006 7:27:53 AM

There will obviously be exceptions like this or specials but in general I think the lower end quads will be in very high demand (for all of those people who want quad but won't shell out more than $1000 for a cpu) and therefore very overpriced as well. Just my thoughts.
December 6, 2006 7:41:12 AM

I dunno. I think that Intel is now into KILL-AMD mode. After several years of sucking hard on that hind tit, they now have the upper hand and they're not gonna let up. They certainly couldn't have taken Dell's deal with AMD very lightly. I think that they are going to just try to squeeze AMD right out of the upper-end PC market. Just my thoughts. If I was really smart, then I'd make a living as an industry analyst! :p 
December 6, 2006 8:36:45 AM

The Q6600 is to be released in Q1 2007 with a tray price identical to the E6700
December 6, 2006 8:40:17 AM

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The Q6600 is to be released in Q1 2007 with a tray price identical to the E6700


Holy batsh!t, Batman! That means that the E is gonna drop bigtime. Like I said. The strategy seem to be KILL-AMD at any cost. Oh well... at least we enthusiasts benefit by getting screamer processors at really good prices!

Unless AMD has a deal with the Federation Timeship to get some isolinear chip technology, it doesn't look like they are gonna trump Intel anytime soon. :D 
December 6, 2006 8:58:13 AM

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End of Q1?
Of which year?
I hope you don't mean 2007... cause that ain't gonna happen!
The market is far from having fully transitioned to dual core.. it's hard to justify quad cores for the masses!

I´m not too sure about that. I mean, the masses already transitioned to 64 bit without any justification. The Ghz race is over, intel may decide it´s all about the core count now and start to push things a little.

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Here we should always remember that the perspective of enthusiasts is completely skewed, most people is probably fine even with a single core.
So quad core, being an enthusiast's CPU, IMO is gonna stay in the "extreme" range at least throughout the whole 2007.
When Intel fully transitions to 45nm and native quad core, then *maybe* we'll see a push toward the upper mainstream market.

Good point.
December 6, 2006 9:21:26 AM

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I believe the question was, when will Quad cores be below $600. All you people saying it will be 2008 or even 2009 are crazy. If $800 Q6600 is coming out in Q1 of next year (like some of you have said) than I easily see sub-600 prices in the next 6 months.

Yeah, so maybe i'm crazy.
Like Mr Intel, who's selling his great C2D to the masses, and then decides to halve its output capacity and severely reduce its profit margins by transitioning quad cores to the masses.
Which will be very happy to buy them instead of the dual cores, since they give 0% increase in performance on 95% of the applications which they use.
:roll:
BUT the enthusiasts demand quad cores on the cheap, possibly underclocked so that they can have fun pushing them 50% higher than their stock speed and then feel "l33t" at LAN parties.
:lol: 
December 6, 2006 9:44:31 AM

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BUT the enthusiasts demand quad cores on the cheap, possibly underclocked so that they can have fun pushing them 50% higher than their stock speed and then feel "l33t" at LAN parties.
:lol: 


Don't underestimate the Leet factor. Intel sure as hell wouldn't be the first company ever to market based on how big it makes your d##k! :D 
December 6, 2006 10:16:12 AM

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BUT the enthusiasts demand quad cores on the cheap, possibly underclocked so that they can have fun pushing them 50% higher than their stock speed and then feel "l33t" at LAN parties.
:lol: 


Don't underestimate the Leet factor. Intel sure as hell wouldn't be the first company ever to market based on how big it makes your d##k! :D Yeah, just look at the D805. It's absolete against even the athlons but there were alot of threads about 805 vs. E6300 (no contest).
December 6, 2006 10:18:46 AM

An E6300 will chew up and spit out a caseload of D805s. Unless you're trying to have your PC double as a smelting furnace. :twisted:
December 6, 2006 10:23:17 AM

I know but everyone wants that magical 4ghz(Leet Factor). You need decent water cooling at least to come close to that.
December 6, 2006 10:27:16 AM

Depends who you're trying to impress. If you're trying to pick up some jailbait bleach-blondy at the LAN party who shows up with a Mac Plus, then maybe. Anyone who has ever deciphered a benchmark is gonna tell you that GHz are only valuable if someone kicks you in the Giga and it Hertz. :twisted:
December 6, 2006 10:31:31 AM

I know but we're talking about average Joe. But I get what you're saying.
December 6, 2006 10:44:28 AM

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Depends who you're trying to impress. If you're trying to pick up some jailbait bleach-blondy at the LAN party who shows up with a Mac Plus, then maybe.

8O
I've never been to such a LAN party.. :cry: 
December 6, 2006 1:01:47 PM

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I've never been to such a LAN party.. :cry: 


What you've gotta do is hang out at the Junior High, check the bulletin board by the caf, and if there isn't a notice for such a LAN party, put up your own. Use txt talk, misspell everything else, make sure you use words like AWESOME and EXCITION and SPASMATIC, make sure to include that alcopops are available and then just wait for the jailbaits with the "doe caught in the headlights" look show up at your front door. Have lots of condoms handy as well as a one way ticket to Paraguay for the next morning. :twisted:
December 6, 2006 1:10:46 PM

Meh, the biggest lan party I've been too involved maybe 6 of my friends sitting in his apartment all with laptops playing DOTA... needless to say, it didn't last long since I utterly dominated everyone no matter what the teams were like... Too much DOTA is probably bad for me...

But no, I've never been to a random lan party, although I can see how they would be... I've been to Code Wars and programming competitions... now those were fun...
December 6, 2006 1:14:52 PM

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I've been to Code Wars and programming competitions... now those were fun...


I've been to clubs where all the hot chicks are exed out and get wild and naked. Now those were fun! :wink:
December 7, 2006 2:59:38 AM

Send me an address and some vip tickets if you can. :wink:
December 7, 2006 3:49:49 AM

..But we're just coming into summer... You mean Dec. 2007?
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