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December 5, 2006 8:54:33 PM

I put this rig together yesterday, and it turns on but for only about for a few mins then shuts down.....i can't install windows nor stay in bio's to long because of the shut downs..... does anyone know whats going on here or how to fix this?..........here are the specs

E6300 C2D
GA-965G-DS3
Corsair XMS2 Twin2x ddr2 675(2 x 512)
Evga 7600 GT KO (PCI-E)
Maxtor Sata Ultra 200GB
CoolMax Taurus 550W PSU
Thermaltake Damier V5000c

thanks for any info

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December 5, 2006 10:10:20 PM

I'd guess something is getting too hot.
December 5, 2006 10:28:42 PM

Yeah, 1st instinct says it's heat. The stock heatsink/fan is notoriously difficult to install correctly. I had a very similar problem with a Pentium 630, it's the same basic HSF and godawful motherboard clips.

You'll need to remove the heatsink, clean the current thermal gunk off (most use isopropyl alcohol), and get some thermal compound like AS5.
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December 5, 2006 10:38:17 PM

i already had taken the thermal material off, i just used rubbing alc. maybe thats ok....and i put AS5 on ... did all that before i turned it on the first time..........but ya i hear you, those little clips are troublesome.... i guess its seated right....i tryed to wiggle it alittle and it didn't move, the case that i use though has alot of fans in it aswell
December 5, 2006 10:54:03 PM

You should have left the intel thermal compound on, it seems to work better with the intel HS. One of the legs if probably not locked in all the way, so the HS isn't making good contact with the CPU. Sometimes they click, but they're not really in all the way and you're afraid to push harder, but you have to be sure they're locked in all the way otherwise the mobo will shut the CPU down so it doesn't burn up.
December 5, 2006 11:14:31 PM

It does sound like a heat problem but don't ignore everything else. If you can get into bios then go to the temp monitor and watch it.... is this not obvious?
December 5, 2006 11:24:22 PM

i agree with waylander, try to get to the health monitor
in bios and check vlts and temps before it shuts off.
also look in the case and touch and feel the heatsink
becarful though.

and it could be a psu problem,

just because its new doesnt mean its good.
December 5, 2006 11:40:00 PM

I used the same motherboard you used in your build. When I first turned on my PC all the fans were spinning except my cpu heatsink fan. I know it sounds obvious, but is your cpu fan spinning? If the CPU fan is not spinning try plugging it into your system fan connector; that is what I did.
December 8, 2006 4:02:38 AM

the heatsink wasn't properly seated...., I took the mobo out and cleaned up the hsf & cpu , reapplied as5.... and every thing is working now :D  those clips are unpredictable... anyhow thanks guys for all the tips...

a few other things though...... im using speedfan and my mobo/cpu temps are

mobo= 33c
cpu 37-40c

coretemps program states....50c/50c

what are acceptable temps for e6300?

another thing is my psu when i push the power button....the psu acts like it is starting up (revs) then real fast goes idle if not off, then really fast comes back on*kind of reminds me of a car needing a jumpstart* but everthing is stable after that, though no unordinary shutdowns.... i have the one on my specs but i also bought a OCZ gamexstream 700w, that i was saving.... should i switch out the psu or is the reving up part normal?
would it be harmful to put that mass of a psu in this system?

thanks
December 8, 2006 2:58:08 PM

I have the OCZ GameXStream 600W hooked up to my system. My system fan does the same thing you described on startup.

Enjoy your new system, I know I am enjoying mine :D  .
December 8, 2006 3:40:35 PM

bad PSU, swap and try.
December 8, 2006 5:07:59 PM

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another thing is my psu when i push the power button....the psu acts like it is starting up (revs) then real fast goes idle if not off, then really fast comes back

Mine did this too, and I have a cheaper PSU than you do. Odd though, after the 1st 5-10 or so startups, it quit doing it. Been great ever since.

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bad PSU, swap and try.

Not necessarily.
December 8, 2006 6:33:44 PM

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ok you may continue.
December 8, 2006 11:24:03 PM

what about the temps?
December 9, 2006 12:33:59 AM

Who the crap are you AMDThunder? This isn't brain surgery here, you don't have one shot or their dead, it's computer hardware TROUBLESHOOTING. You have a problem, you take parts out, replace with another one, one-by-one and continue until you find the problem...

I don't even know why people post questions before they have tried troubleshooting.

The problem is HIGHLY probably either temps or PSU (or something else), and he's check the temps, so DUH, try the other one and stop discussing it! I had the same problem, identially, it was the PSU.
December 9, 2006 5:58:13 AM

LOL Eckre.

This is all in fun so dont be bothered too much.
1.) you dont really have enough posts to be asking him about "who the crap" is he.... i mean, who the crap are you ;) 

2.) For $30 bucks you can get the tools you need to test the hardware instead of relying on part swaps. I did do part swaps for a long long time untill I got into the business and now the tools are quite cheap. I recomend it for any enthusiest. PSU tester, and PCI Board tester, and maybe a cheapo temp monitor / volt meter if you want.
December 9, 2006 1:29:43 PM

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The problem is HIGHLY probably either temps or PSU (or something else)

WTF dude? All I said was not necessarily. What does that mean? You already said it. Troubleshooting!

Don't get your panties in a wad. We're all here trying to help.
December 9, 2006 3:07:50 PM

Can you clear something for me then? My computer HSF does the same thing on startup and I have the same motherboard and different power supply. Could it be the motherboard and not the power supply? My motherboard BIOS version is F6.

EDIT: After posting I went to Gigabyte's site and checked the BIOS information and I found something interesting.
http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Support/Motherboard/BIOS_Mo...

Under the F3 BIOS it says the following
"Fix during the first POST after AC resume, system will spend 3~4 seconds to perform a power-off cycle"

From the statement above it isn't clear to me if the 3-4 second power-off cycle was the problem or the solution to another problem, but it definitely shows that the motherboard has a BIOS power-off cycle feature on startup. Therefore, I don't think a faulty power supply is causing the fan to temporarily stop during startup.
December 9, 2006 3:20:19 PM

If its the HSF, heres how you tell.
Go into bios and watch your temps. Simple. If they start rising then its your HSF (ususaly). If the voltage is listed in red such as: 3.3v (4.1v) Then its something else, maybe the PSU.
December 9, 2006 3:38:10 PM

All the voltages are OK, and my CPU temperate is steady at 19~20 C, while my system temp is 30~31 C. I have an Arctic Cooling Freezer7Pro HSF and a different power supply than the guy that originally posted and we have the same thing happening on startup. I placed some information about my motherboard's BIOS in an edit to my previous post. After reading the BIOS information, I think my system is fine, but the BIOS might need to be tidied up a bit. Is there something else I should check to make sure I don't have any hardware related issues that are causing this problem?
December 9, 2006 3:50:34 PM

Just for testing mesures, can you set your bios to a safemode setting? If not, just reset your bios settings to optimal. Because your system is restarting even in bios, this will work out if its a bios problem (such as a setting gone wrong). You could also pull out the cmos batery and unplug the computer which will reset the bios..

Also, pull out all sticks of ram but one, and unplug all your pci cards and hard drives /cd rom drives (not your vid card of course). The perpose of doing the extra work is that we need a base to start from.

"Can we get your sytem stable, even under temporary conditions?".

If we can, then we have a starting point for troubleshooting.
I know my methods arnt one liner "try this", but its how I troubleshoot. Feel free to continue to try the other things suggested.
December 9, 2006 4:00:39 PM

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"Fix during the first POST after AC resume, system will spend 3~4 seconds to perform a power-off cycle"

Dude, you rock. I'd bet good money that's it. Now that I think about it, mine stopped doing it right about the time I flashed the bios. I hadn't linked the two before. At least I feel better about my PSU now. :) 

Have you actually flashed the bios yet, or just looking for the version in the bios? I thought mine was on 6 because of something in the bios (can't remember exactly where it was), but it said something about v6, which I thought was version 6. After getting into windows and using cpu-z, or one of those programs, it showed I had like F3. Flashed it through windows, and like I said, that's right around the time it stopped doing it.

If that's not it, then we'll keep going.
December 9, 2006 4:11:49 PM

My system is running fine now even though the HSF fan spins like that at the beginning.
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I have the OCZ GameXStream 600W hooked up to my system. My system fan does the same thing you described on startup.

Enjoy your new system, I know I am enjoying mine :D  .


Thanks for your response, but I just recently put this system together, and since it is working now I don't want to deconstruct it. I have no problems going into my BIOS settings. I apologize if I wasn't clear before when I was talking about my system BIOS; but, what I was basically trying to say is perhaps this is the way these motherboards work on startup until Gigabyte decides to release an updated BIOS.
December 9, 2006 4:15:16 PM

Cool, maybe I should flash my BIOS :D  .
Is it worth flashing my BIOS? What if something goes wrong? Did you need to reinstall Windows? I have an OEM version of Windows.
December 9, 2006 4:24:53 PM

sorry, i understood taht it would not say on, even in bios. Glad to hear everything is workign.
December 9, 2006 4:27:37 PM

No biggie, we are all trying to help each other here.
December 9, 2006 4:32:43 PM

except for Jon_the_ripper, he doesnt help anybody.
December 9, 2006 4:36:52 PM

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except for Jon_the_ripper, he doesnt help anybody.


Should I be glad that I don't know him yet? :lol: 
December 9, 2006 6:15:37 PM

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Cool, maybe I should flash my BIOS :D  .
Is it worth flashing my BIOS? What if something goes wrong? Did you need to reinstall Windows? I have an OEM version of Windows.

If you haven't flashed since you bought it, then yes. Very easy to do thru the @bios feature in windows. It's a program you can install from the cd that came with your mobo. Just run the program, and it updates you to the latest bios revision.

Nothing should go wrong, but you can be safe and download the version you have, and create a flash disk to get you back to the original version. You won't need to reinstall windows after flashing the bios.
December 9, 2006 6:54:28 PM

Thanks, will do.
December 21, 2006 2:29:00 AM

Quote:
I put this rig together yesterday, and it turns on but for only about for a few mins then shuts down.....i can't install windows nor stay in bio's to long because of the shut downs..... does anyone know whats going on here or how to fix this?..........here are the specs

E6300 C2D
GA-965G-DS3
Corsair XMS2 Twin2x ddr2 675(2 x 512)
Evga 7600 GT KO (PCI-E)
Maxtor Sata Ultra 200GB
CoolMax Taurus 550W PSU
Thermaltake Damier V5000c

thanks for any info



hello everyone..
i'm new here and i would like to ask abt the same problem. i put together a system with my new C2D E6600 and the Asrock Dual VSTA Mobo (i'm on a tight budget right now). Anyways when i put together the system for the first time using my old DDR's (1GB) and an old GF6600 256 MB AGP, it ran fine. But something was wrong, coz i know the speeds were'nt very right. when u minimize and maximize windows u can see the frames getting a bit sticky before it appears or disappears right. and also when i used SuperPi to 1million i get the result of 1min 21sec. so i went on and saw a bios update in the Asrock website for Conroe. i applied it and then when i ran SuperPi it gave me a result of 32secs and still the windows max/min thing was there. thinking it was my graphics driver, i changed it back to an older version but was no different.

Being unsure with what to expect from a C2D and other cheap hardware, i reformatted the system. This is where the problem's started, in the middle of the windows set up the power went off and after that i have to reput the power cord to the system and start it again. this time windows installed fine, but the power is still going out just like that (mayb after an hour or thirty mins) i have resetted the bios and tried but no good. i also noticed that there were some errors in the event viewer called "SidebySide" event id 59 but i dont think thats the problem.

being fed up i took apart the whole system apart and again re-installed my old pentium 4 (478pins 3Ghz) with the same DDR and AGP on my old motherboard and still works much happier than C2D.

what i'd like to get out of my head is that it could be a problem of the processor e6600 coz i paid big bucks for it. right now i'm thinking of going for a pretty Mobo like ASUS with DDR2 and PCIE.

what do u guys think? could it be the mothereboard (asrock dual vsta) or a problem of my C2D? coz when i use CPUz all the spec's agree.
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