AMD 65 nm CPU Paper Launch?

"Samples of the new 65 nm processors, which AMD says are available in volume today, apparently have not been sent out to the media yet."

hummmmm..... :)
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  1. I concur. I cannot find it for sale anywhere.
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    "Samples of the new 65 nm processors, which AMD says are available in volume today, apparently have not been sent out to the media yet."

    hummmmm..... :)

    We've got to get used to this; it was the same for C2D. Maybe they call 'launch date' the day on which te first CPUs get out of their fabs, not the day they hit stores :D
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    "Samples of the new 65 nm processors, which AMD says are available in volume today, apparently have not been sent out to the media yet."

    hummmmm..... :)

    We've got to get used to this; it was the same for C2D. Maybe they call 'launch date' the day on which te first CPUs get out of their fabs, not the day they hit stores :D

    Yet, but i would expect an ES with some benchies at the very least. I think with C2D we at least had that. According to TH, they are available in volume today....
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    "Samples of the new 65 nm processors, which AMD says are available in volume today, apparently have not been sent out to the media yet."

    hummmmm..... :)


    Um, I guess. Announced availibility for mass market is Q107 with OEM's getting production now from what I saw. Not surprising, nor is the lack of es's IMO, not going to be much different form the 90nm CPU's.... 1/2 the cache and a shrink wooptie doo.
  5. MrsBytch, learning to read will get you far in life.

    We're talking about AMD's 65nm launch, not AM2 launch. :roll:

    How about this: if I can't get a 65nm AMD Athlon64 X2 4200+ in the next three weeks, you will buy me one when it IS available. A hint for you: once you lose the bet, you'll want to look to the e-tailers that sell OEM tray processors.


    The video card industry has us all pampered. Just look at the last few nVidia launches to see what I mean, you could buy them the day of launch.
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    I concur. I cannot find it for sale anywhere.


    The article said it was available by volume, meaning oem tray, not at e-tailers. Learning to read will get you far in life.

    Lets not confuse this with C2D launch in which there were a couple available and the rest had to wait weeks. Secondly there were no Nvidia chipsets available at C2D launch, no SLI chipsets and no mobos under $250. That quite far from AM2 which is established and had all this available on the first day of its launch including mobos under $80 on launch with nvidia chipsets and SLI.

    LOL, "available in volume" doesn't just mean OEM tray. If that were true, then the 8800 GTX was only available to OEM's on the day of its launch.

    But I do agree, this is very different from C2D, which DID have some available @ etailers. These new 65nm Athon's aren't available anywhere yet. So it's a paper launch IMO.
  7. Jack should get a special title on the forum. Like "Walking Wiki" or something.
  8. That's a good one. Very fitting.
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    Here's a nother interesting one ----

    TechReport has issued an Amber Alert for QFX boards and CPU...

    http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/11378

    I think this is a little unfair myself.... but they have a point, AMD's response is interesting to say the least.

    Nevertheless, if one cannot buy the QFX parts of the shelf or find a 65 nm CPU/system in the next 3-4 weeks then we can call it a paper launch.... for now it is fair to simply wait a week or two as it takes a little while for new products to propogate.


    What I don't get is how ATI and nVidia are able to make new boards available from day 1. I mean, aren't their capacities smaller? And it seems like putting a GPU on a video board is just as (if not more) complicated as releasing a new chipset and CPU.

    Both companies, AMD and Intel, are fcuking guilty of paper launches.

    If I'm missing something here, someone point it out. The only thing I can think of is demand. (CPU demand being higher than GPU)
  10. I think it is a combo of a lot of things, but demand is probably the largest factor. Dell, HP.... etc buy up a huge majority of the CPU's when they are released. A lot more people will want to configure a new computer with the new CPU's, whereas the majority of people can't swallow the $400-$600 upgrade price attached to the new GPU's when they are released. Which, (in my mind) would make it easier to find the GPU's at places like Newegg and whatnot. The people who would typically buy a brand new GPU are not the same people that will go and build a system on Dell (usually).

    I don't think that you should consider C2D a paper launch. People actually got to see them in action (benchmarks) before they were released and it was not TOO long afterwards until people were able to pick them up online.
  11. The cpu demand would be higher of course. Every computer has to have one. Your average Joe will be happy with his onboard gpu though.

    AMD IMO is alot more guilty of paper launches than Intel (especially this year).
  12. yeah... it only took AMD 2 months to get those 5200+'s in the market. AMD is guilty as charged on that one.

    ok... my ambien is hitting me hard now. i think i should go pass out now.
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    yeah... it only took AMD 2 months to get those 5200+'s in the market. AMD is guilty as charged on that one.

    ok... my ambien is hitting me hard now. i think i should go pass out now.


    Cmon now Jesse. AMD was not guitly, we know, courtesy of BaronMartirx, that they were being "horded" by AMD for Dells school systems sales :lol:

    It had nothing to do with production capacity, QC and binning. Nothing what-so-ever. Just keep telling yourself that, like Baron Matrix, and maybe it 30 or 40 years you can beleive too!! :P
  14. I KNOW EVERYTHING

    i am omnipotent!!!!!!!!!!!

    i hored all things. i am the one keeping the 5200 chips. all of them. they're purple in case you didn't know. purple like a chinese whore's dress. purple like these damn exclamation marks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    i'm so high. someone play a joke on me
  15. i am going to refraing from reading or replying to your most lengthy post until tomorrow. if I read this I'll saying something incoherent and stupid. my apologies in advance my good friend.

    now, come have a cigar with me on the balcony. i've got a bottle of new scotch... sixty years old.
  16. Some quality $h!t you got there!!! Want to share?
  17. Quote:
    Some quality $h!t you got there!!! Want to share?
    I used to get extremely high when i first started taking my sleeping pills(3 years ago). My wife would have to walk me to bed, as i bounced off the walls.....it was a blast. One night(day actually...after midnight shift) i fell asleep at the computer, and face first in a bowl of ice-cream....got it all in my beard. :o Now, i'm used to them...
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    I want to make a point that it was fair to give Intel a week or two to get supply up for C2D after launch, AMD needs to get the same fair shake.

    OK Jack,
    C2D was reviewed(benchmarked, overclocked, measured, whatever) by many reputable sites before it was released. Where are the official reviews of Brisbane?
    WTF?
  19. They should have taken a picture. Can you say it with me: Sticky!!!
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    i am omnipotent!!!!!!!!!!!



    sorry to hear that man, Erectile dysfunction is a bitch
  21. Quote:
    They should have taken a picture. Can you say it with me: Sticky!!!
    Yeah...The down side, was total memory loss. We'd go to bed(even only 15 minutes after taking the pill)... and start foolin' around....then BLANK!!!!! My wife would be p!ssed that i didn't remember...when i woke up. :wink: I was too. :x
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    65 nm, definitely not a paper launch at this point--AMD either stated or it was rumored that limited 65 nm product in Dec with a full volume dump in Q1 2007 this is simply along those lines.... though, it is really disappointing they aren't letting anyone but the OEMs see the CPUs on the launch day.


    Maybe its just because I'm an AMD fan, but I believe I know the answer to this question. The chips weren't released not because they don't exist but because they aren't really any faster. This is just a die shrink. For some reason AMD decided to change the frequencies to odd numbers, and up the model numbers. There isn't really anything drasically different with these CPUs, so there isn't a good reason to release them to get reviewed. (they'd only get killed by the C2D.) What I'm more interested in seeing are reviews on the new "star core" CPUs. How much ground will AMD recover with these?
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    65 nm, definitely not a paper launch at this point--AMD either stated or it was rumored that limited 65 nm product in Dec with a full volume dump in Q1 2007 this is simply along those lines.... though, it is really disappointing they aren't letting anyone but the OEMs see the CPUs on the launch day.


    Maybe its just because I'm an AMD fan, but I believe I know the answer to this question. The chips weren't released not because they don't exist but because they aren't really any faster. This is just a die shrink. For some reason AMD decided to change the frequencies to odd numbers, and up the model numbers. There isn't really anything drasically different with these CPUs, so there isn't a good reason to release them to get reviewed. (they'd only get killed by the C2D.) What I'm more interested in seeing are reviews on the new "star core" CPUs. How much ground will AMD recover with these?Well, they should have at least some redeeming quality, that would make someone want to buy one....and by not letting reviewers test to find that quality(be it low power/good OC), AMD isn't really showing much confidence, and/or giving a reason to buy them. :?
  24. I'd be pi$$ed if I thought I didn't get any. At least your used to it now like you said. How long did the memory loss go on for.
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    I'd be pi$$ed if I thought I didn't get any. At least your used to it now like you said. How long did the memory loss go on for.
    Must have been a good 4 months....maybe more. As the memory loss subsided, so did the "kick-in-the-ass" buzz that used to hit within 10 minutes of ingestion. Now, i take it usually an hour before bed...no side effects(well....occasionally i crash in my comp. chair). :P LOL- actually, about a month ago, i passed out fast in my chair...slumped over. Our dog(my avatar) thought i was dead, and woke up my wife. She then proceeded to bring my wife into the comp. room(whining) to check on me. I thought that was pretty cool. 8)
  26. If I was AMD I woudn't send any CPU's to Toms or Anand, they simply thash AMD ...
  27. That's why I love dogs so much. You don't see a cat dragging your wife down to the pc coz he thinks your dead. They'll only do it coz they're hungry. Makes me miss my husky all the more now.

    4 months without me remembering the majority of the times I had $ex would totally ruin my mojo :wink:

    @Cryogenic: Enthusiast is the keyword here. Toms and Anand is just that. They will bash them for releasing inferior products. I mean, look at 4X4!
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    Well, they should have at least some redeeming quality, that would make someone want to buy one....and by not letting reviewers test to find that quality(be it low power/good OC), AMD isn't really showing much confidence, and/or giving a reason to buy them. :?


    Sounds like AMD is taking a page out of the Hollywood Studios Playbook. When they release a movie that they know is a huge stinker, they refuse to prescreen it for the critics, figuring that they might get a good opening weekend on the curiosity factor before the word of mouth gets out that the flick sux eggs.

    Either that or they have come out with such a quantum leap in computing power that it will drive Intel into bankruptcy court by Christmas.

    Only time will tell... I'm leaning towards the former, however.

    8)
  29. Quote:
    Well, they should have at least some redeeming quality, that would make someone want to buy one....and by not letting reviewers test to find that quality(be it low power/good OC), AMD isn't really showing much confidence, and/or giving a reason to buy them. :?


    Sounds like AMD is taking a page out of the Hollywood Studios Playbook. When they release a movie that they know is a huge stinker, they refuse to prescreen it for the critics, figuring that they might get a good opening weekend on the curiosity factor before the word of mouth gets out that the flick sux eggs.

    Either that or they have come out with such a quantum leap in computing power that it will drive Intel into bankruptcy court by Christmas.

    Only time will tell... I'm leaning towards the former, however.

    8)Yeah...Even if the reviews show little to no progress, at least they look like they have faith/confidence in their product. By not allowing reviews, it looks like they're just admitting defeat, and throwing their hands up in the air. Not good business practice, IMO. :wink:
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    By not allowing reviews, it looks like they're just admitting defeat, and throwing their hands up in the air. Not good business practice, IMO. :wink:


    If you look carefully at AMD's missteps in the past few months, they are nothing short of staggering. I dunno if they are so intoxicated with the big checks Mike Dell is writing them that they have promoted the guys from the mail room to running their enthusiast marketing, but I haven't seen a company so purposely trying to self-destruct since Gordon Gekko's airline in the movie "Wall Street." :lol:

    P.S. Tanker, dude, it's not even 5 am in Ontariariariario. You got a night job or just a terminal case of insomnia? :wink:
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    By not allowing reviews, it looks like they're just admitting defeat, and throwing their hands up in the air. Not good business practice, IMO. :wink:


    If you look carefully at AMD's missteps in the past few months, they are nothing short of staggering. I dunno if they are so intoxicated with the big checks Mike Dell is writing them that they have promoted the guys from the mail room to running their enthusiast marketing, but I haven't seen a company so purposely trying to self-destruct since Gordon Gekko's airline in the movie "Wall Street." :lol:

    P.S. Tanker, dude, it's not even 5 am in Ontariariariario. You got a night job or just a terminal case of insomnia? :wink:Night-Hawk....always have been.
  32. Anything special you do/eat/drink to stay awake?
  33. Quote:
    Night-Hawk....always have been.


    I'm usually in the sack at 10 pm and up to see the dawn. Just my luck that every single chick I've ever shacked up with is just like you. They don't even get warmed up until the last club has shut tight. I can't keep my eyes open with toothpicks by that time of night, let alone get down...

    :x
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    Anything special you do/eat/drink to stay awake?
    Too many cans of Coke. :lol:
  35. At the moment that is all there is to drink as there is a CO2 gas shortage in the country! Luckily I'm not one for gassy stuff. Love my water... drink at least 3 litres a day.
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    If I was AMD I woudn't send any CPU's to Toms or Anand, they simply thash AMD ...


    waaaaaa, i find the reviews in both sites to be fair, i have no idea what your talking about. Tom's benchmark machine was a AMD machine until not long ago that they swicht to the C2DXT, even thought it has been out for a little bit now.
    And i personnaly agree, that AMD should be given sometime to get them to the retail market. One thing i notice is the article says that the prices will be the same as their 90nm counterparts. Do you guys think it will be like that, or will a premium be charged for them?
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    One thing i notice is the article says that the prices will be the same as their 90nm counterparts. Do you guys think it will be like that, or will a premium be charged for them?


    Beats me. It's all speculation at this point but IMHO if they try to sell 65nm and 90nm side by side at the same pricepoint that would be the biggest corporate stupidity since New Coke.

    BTW, how do you like how I worked in the Coke aspect into this post? :lol:

    Besides, how do you have a CO2 shortage in a country? Is SA short of politicians' hot air? :lol:
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    BTW, how do you like how I worked in the Coke aspect into this post? :lol:

    Besides, how do you have a CO2 shortage in a country? Is SA short of politicians' hot air? :lol:

    Pretty clever. Anyhow, I have no idea how it happened. All I know is the only drinks at the shops are coke and sprite.

    As for our politicians, IMO they are too stupid to produce hot air.
  39. How is it stupid? Assume for the moment that I'm right and there isn't a performance gain by AMD shifting to 65nm. If their rate of recovery is the same at 65nm as it was at 90nm, that means they can get more cores off the wafer. This is increased profits for AMD. The sad reality is that they won't make any money, as Intel will lower their price, forcing AMD to do the same. (and its easier for Intel to do this as they are moving to 45nm...) At this point, its all about the number of cores.

    If there is a performance increase from the shift, then that might be another matter altogether. (it also depends on how much more performance.)
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    sprite.


    You called ?
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    sprite.


    You called ?

    ROFL :lol:

    Quote:
    How is it stupid? Assume for the moment that I'm right and there isn't a performance gain by AMD shifting to 65nm. If their rate of recovery is the same at 65nm as it was at 90nm, that means they can get more cores off the wafer. This is increased profits for AMD. The sad reality is that they won't make any money, as Intel will lower their price, forcing AMD to do the same. (and its easier for Intel to do this as they are moving to 45nm...) At this point, its all about the number of cores.

    If there is a performance increase from the shift, then that might be another matter altogether. (it also depends on how much more performance.)


    Well, let's look at it from the consumer's standpoint. Even if performance is identical and they're both at the same pricepoint, the average Joe is gonna shell out for the newer, zoomier version. It's like when the car dealers have an end-of-model-year sale. Even though the '06 TurboChickMagnet is exactly the same as the '07, they have to knock down the price on the older models to get them off the lot. Nobody in their right mind would buy a one year older car at exactly the same price as a current model. Same goes for CPUs. A year down the line when the consumer is trying to ditch the system on Ebay, he'll definitely get an extra couple of bucks if he is selling a 65nm vs an older 90nm.

    Again, just MHO. If I was really bright and insightful you dudes would have to pay me consultant hourly rate to benefit from my pearls of wisdom. 8)
  42. My sister is busy doing her Masters in psych so I don't pay no one Jack for consulting. Ok, so this isn't quite psych related but I don't have the money anyhow. :lol:
  43. Biggest problem when switching form one process to another is something that I like to call, "chip attrition". When switching from say 90nm to 65nm, there are always a high number of duds that come out of the process. How high this is depends on who you are. AMD currently has a higher rate than Intel. Pair that with the fact that Intel can take the hit better than AMD. Just something to keep in mind.
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    My sister is busy doing her Masters in psych so I don't pay no one Jack for consulting. Ok, so this isn't quite psych related but I don't have the money anyhow. :lol:


    Money. That's the one thing I can never get enough of. Oh, ok. It's one of the two things I can never get enough of. But the other requires lots of money and having to say "no, your bum doesn't look too big in that". :lol:
  45. Quote:
    Some quality $h!t you got there!!! Want to share?
    I used to get extremely high when i first started taking my sleeping pills(3 years ago). My wife would have to walk me to bed, as i bounced off the walls.....it was a blast. One night(day actually...after midnight shift) i fell asleep at the computer, and face first in a bowl of ice-cream....got it all in my beard. :o Now, i'm used to them...

    Ambien is some evil stuff. It is like having a blacked out 15 min Acid trip before passing out. I had the same memory gaps that you are talking about. And similar stories from the wife the next day.
  46. And this is a prescription drug? WTF? :?:
  47. gODJO, I really don't care if they benchmark them or not.... I wouldn't buy one anyway, it's a new die shrink, it will run at a higher clock in months to come as they iron it out. I just don't think we should expect a die shrink to yield some major improvement YET. But, just because we have not seen a benchmark yet, does not mean it is a paper launch. Just be patient, give it time, as time will tell IF this is a paper launch. And, keep in mind, it was in Intel's best interest to show benchmarks and such of Core, they needed to slow AMD down as much as they could, marketing. They may have said all they can about the 65nm process at this point already.....


    wes
  48. Ambien is some weird sh!t. There are reports of people sleepwalking, sleepdriving, sleeptrapezing... :D
  49. Yeah, you should give it a shot sometime. Mix it with a few drinks and things really get crazy.


    DISCLAIMER!! SLEEPING PILLS AND ALCOHOL ARE BAD, AND CAN KILL YOU.
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