ATA on P965 based motherboards?

hi, I read the tomshardware review on P965 based mobos. Please forgive my ignorance, but I have a few questions, as I'm building a pc with mainly new components, but with a few rather old components. I read these motherboards do not have ATA connectors on the motherboard, but they have ATA controllers. Is it possible to connect an ATA133 hard disk (maxtor d740x) AND an ATAPI dvd writer (pioneer 110-d) to such cards through ATA controllers? If it is possible, is there a lower performance than there would have been through a normal connection? Last thing, buying a SATA hard disk instead of using my old one, how much would performance be increased? Would keeping my old hard disk limit the performance of the pc's other components(core2duo E6400 and ATI X1950pro)? Thank you very much for your time

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Actually, all 965 motherboards do have a IDE/P(arallel)ATA controller/connector but its also true that it wasn't designed in to original design specification. They thought that all storage devices would have switched over to S(erial)ATA by now which isn't the case. So the motherboard manufacturers added a PATA controller/connector to cover legacy storage devices.
Example of Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 shows in specs under Internal I/O Connectors "1 x IDE connector" giving the DS3 1 IDE/PATA channel that is good for a maximum of 2 devices (DVD writer and Maxtor HD in your case). People who need more IDE/PATA devices are forced to get a add-in PCI IDE/ATA controller card which in this example would give two more IDE/PATA channels for 4 more IDE/PATA devices.

Is this picture of the GA-965P-DS3 you can see the IDE/PATA connector in the lower left part of the motherboard.
The motherboard also comes with a IDE/PATA cable in the accessory pack.
There will be performance differences. Older IDE 100/133 drives usually have lower peformance specs than more modern SATA drives due to higher SATA 3Gb/s bandwidth and the larger RAM cache usually found on more recent hard drives. But in normal usage, you'd probably not notice the difference since you're already using that IDE hard disk.

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hi, I read the tomshardware review on P965 based mobos. Please forgive my ignorance, but I have a few questions, as I'm building a pc with mainly new components, but with a few rather old components. I read these motherboards do not have ATA connectors on the motherboard, but they have ATA controllers. Is it possible to connect an ATA133 hard disk (maxtor d740x) AND an ATAPI dvd writer (pioneer 110-d) to such cards through ATA controllers? If it is possible, is there a lower performance than there would have been through a normal connection? Last thing, buying a SATA hard disk instead of using my old one, how much would performance be increased? Would keeping my old hard disk limit the performance of the pc's other components(core2duo E6400 and ATI X1950pro)? Thank you very much for your time

Don't crosspost.

Reply to express4520

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Don't crosspost.

What is crossposting? And why shouldn't you do it :?:

Reply to WR2

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Don't crosspost.

What is crossposting? And why shouldn't you do it :?:

Fair enough, I suppose your posts were more explicit. But I would imagine the definition of crossposting would be fairly obvious from what I did as well.

Reply to express4520

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Don't crosspost.

What is crossposting? And why shouldn't you do it :?:

Fair enough, I suppose your posts were more explicit. But I would imagine the definition of crossposting would be fairly obvious from what I did as well.

Could someone please create several "ATA on P965 based motherboards" posts and plaster them across a bunch of TG forumz? OH, the OP has already done that! nevermind.....

Reply to rdhood

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Fair enough, I suppose your posts were more explicit. But I would imagine the definition of crossposting would be fairly obvious from what I did as well.

Maybe not so obvious as telling someone "don't put your fingers in the electrical sockets" or "don't run with scissors".

Reply to WR2

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Don't crosspost.

What is crossposting? And why shouldn't you do it :?:

Fair enough, I suppose your posts were more explicit. But I would imagine the definition of crossposting would be fairly obvious from what I did as well.

Could someone please create several "ATA on P965 based motherboards" posts and plaster them across a bunch of TG forumz? OH, the OP has already done that! nevermind.....

Better yet - let someone create all those posts AND then let someone else respond in exactly the same way to EVERY one of them to make a point! lol

Reply to joshuasgto

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Maybe not so obvious as telling someone "don't put your fingers in the electrical sockets" or "don't run with scissors".

If this was a non-technical forum, I might agree. However, this is a forum about computers and related technology where the poster himself detailed a fairly in-depth question about motherboards and, although it's an indirect correlation, I would tend to think most people who can form such a question and know to post it in a forum dedicated to said purpose would know the definition of crossposting and why it's frowned upon. Combined with the fact that the OP registered his account today, there is no doubt in my mind that he posted across five forums simply to get a response as quickly as possible knowing full well and not caring that it's poor forum etiquette. My terse response matched my evaluation of the situation, more or less pointing out "I caught you, don't do that again".

Reply to express4520

Just thought Id drag this thread back on topic .
Im in a similar quandry to the original poster.My current set up is as follows- Asus A7N8X mb with 2 UltraDMA sockets. I have my IDE HD sloted into one slot and my 2 x optical drives (connected on one ribbon) slotted into the other. My rig is very old so I want to update it to a socket 775 (for C2D E6600) ,but I want to keep my original HD. Most of the Socket 775 boards Ive seen come with one IDE socket,yet can support 2 devices,does this mean I can still use my 2 optical devices (linked on 1 ribbon) AND my HD?
Sorry for sounding like a bit of a n00b....but...err...I am!
Cheers. :wink:

Reply to Hoopster

Heh, when you'd have actually read this thread, you would have known the answer to your question too ;-)

Reply to rs

I think I know what your refering to,but I have in reality 3 devices to connect.Would the fact that I have 2 optical devices on one ribbon affect anything? Like I said Im a n00b so be gentle! :oops:

Reply to Hoopster

Hehe, no problem!

Well, if you want to buy a new motherboard which is based on the 775 socket, then you can add 2 ide devices per ide socket.
It the motherboard only offers 1 ide socket, then, well, you can add 1 x 2 = 2 devices :-P
If it comes with 2 ide sockets, you can add 2 x 2 = 4 devices.

Anyway, a sata dvd drive can be order for around 40 euro's here, I doubt an extra ide controller is much cheaper, so you might well end up buying another dvd or hard disk drive ;-)

Hope this helps

Reply to rs

Doh of course,master+slave.Gah why didnt I think of that lol :oops:

Anyway looks like the MSI 975x Platinum PowerUp Edition might be the answer to my prayers. :wink: Cheers!

Reply to Hoopster

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hi, I read the tomshardware review on P965 based mobos. Please forgive my ignorance, but I have a few questions, as I'm building a pc with mainly new components, but with a few rather old components. I read these motherboards do not have ATA connectors on the motherboard, but they have ATA controllers. Is it possible to connect an ATA133 hard disk (maxtor d740x) AND an ATAPI dvd writer (pioneer 110-d) to such cards through ATA controllers? If it is possible, is there a lower performance than there would have been through a normal connection? Last thing, buying a SATA hard disk instead of using my old one, how much would performance be increased? Would keeping my old hard disk limit the performance of the pc's other components(core2duo E6400 and ATI X1950pro)? Thank you very much for your time

There would be miniscule performance loss as reported at eg. ASUS website as IDTiming is now on new MB's.

Splash out anyway if able and buy the SATA HD, and sell the PATA HD in the local paper, or second hand PC shop.

They - SATA HD's, have usually 8mb or more buffer, where'as yours probably has 2mb or less.

You could even use the ATA HD as a DATA - backup storage, set as slave on the ATA channel.

Reply to Bache

i am in a similar situation and also a noob, i have the ASUS p5w dh and similar drives. the manual says that one of my IDE controllers (jmicron) does not support ATAPI divices, which is what my optical drive is, and the other says that it is for hard disks configured in master/slave type ways. to me this seems like i will have a problem. should i just go and get sata drives and return the ones i have bought? or is there an eaiser way?

Reply to jwt123

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i am in a similar situation and also a noob, i have the ASUS p5w dh and similar drives. the manual says that one of my IDE controllers (jmicron) does not support ATAPI divices, which is what my optical drive is, and the other says that it is for hard disks configured in master/slave type ways. to me this seems like i will have a problem. should i just go and get sata drives and return the ones i have bought? or is there an eaiser way?

Well if possible, I would return the PATA HD and get the SATA HD.

This would free up the PATA Channel for the optical drive.

The ATA Channel should support the optical drive.

From other MB's I know of that have the jmicron controller, the manual states that it (jmc), operates both the SATA and PATA Channels.

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