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December 7, 2006 3:28:28 AM

Looks like a Bad Year for AMD/ATI overall. Latest numbers indicate ATI is losing market share to Nvidia pretty much across the board in all segments. Will they recover soon with better cards to take back market share or face the same downward spiral of there CPU partner (aka AMD)?

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/12/06/amd_ati_graphics_q3_2...

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December 7, 2006 4:46:13 AM

A bad year? Well, decreased market share in a growing market means that you aren't doing as well as the other guy - but everyone's still making money.

I believe in brand loyalty to a certain extent, but the market tends to go with the stronger product at the time. Fortunately, competition makes the "stronger" vendor title cyclical.... unless you are talking about companies selling operating systems :roll:

cheers
a b U Graphics card
December 7, 2006 1:22:44 PM

It's called Ebb and Flow.
ATi and nV just swapped spots neither having truely 'dramatic' gains/losses overall. The place where ATi los biggest everyone knows they were weak, and that's the discrete mobile market their integrated mobile market still is ahead of nV. But both pale in comparison to the sales of Intel, and once nV gets pushed out of the AMD market these figures will flip again, but I doubt anyone will get close to Intel for a long while.

BTW, it's not just the 'better cards' issue, since for most of ths year ATi had better cards, but that didn't help them. Alot of this is likely channel reaction to the AMD merger and the loss of the Intel sales before they could begin to leverage their own internal sales.

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Will they recover soon with better cards to take back market share or face the same downward spiral of there CPU partner (aka AMD)?


You don't know WTF you're talking about. Talk about Fanboi FUD. :roll:

Downward spiral? They were the king of the roost until just a few months ago, and in 2006 they doubled their income and move up into 7th place overall in the microprocessor industry.

http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5214
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December 7, 2006 1:37:37 PM

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...or face the same downward spiral of there CPU partner (aka AMD)?


What kind of fanboy weed are you smoking? AMD is in a stronger market position than ever before in their history, they've even finally cracked Dell.

Technologically Conroe is awesome compared to the A64, but commercially it doesn't matter all that much.

If technology was all that matters, Intel would have been forced out of business in the A64 years, and everyone knows that didn't happen...

AMD would have to make many huge mistakes over the next 5 years to be on a downward spiral. If the K8L is any good it'll give them performance parity with Conroe by next year, and now they have Ati to make nifty graphics chipsets to accompany it.

None of that spells out a downward spiral to me, and I guarantee you Intel is taking them more seriously than ever.
December 7, 2006 3:57:26 PM

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What kind of fanboy weed are you smoking?
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Just an interjection, mildly offtopic-mind if I snag that quote for my sig? :D 

@Everyone Else

IMHO it's just more back and forth. Look at the numbers this time next year and I can virtually guarantee you ATI will be ahead-year after that, Nvidia. Maybe 9 months a piece, who knows.

And yeah, the merger/buyout/whatever you want to call it sort of hurt them, because Intel doesn't want AMD making chipsets for them (valid reason for it, though), among other things.
December 7, 2006 5:54:21 PM

Well, sure. :) 

Quite true about your Intel chipset comment, too. What will be interesting is to see if Nvidia keeps making good AMD chipsets...
a b U Graphics card
December 7, 2006 9:10:28 PM

Yeah I was mentioning that, it will be interesting to see if AMD can leverage it's ATi board position to more AMD sales than they had intel sales, of course that would mean nV and VIA losing some of that market.

I would think that their overall sales of AMD boards even just to OEMs would outwiegh their intel board losses, but we'll see. If thye don't get their act together then it doesn't matter that they are making their own boards because people would stay away. The thing about intel boards for the longest time was that intel made some of the very best intel boards, if AMD can't be close to that gold standard then they won't get many sales outside the OEM market.
December 8, 2006 12:55:46 PM

Competition breeds greatness. Because its steep we as the consumer get better products. I fail to the problem in that.

Its been this way in most giant companies through history. Look at freaken cell phone companies. Remember when phones were GIANT and now its Razer, Chocolate, blah blah blah. The commericals are about as common as truck comercials in the superbowl.

Thing is. Intel, Microsoft, and Nvidia.. NEED other companies to hold up in court as they are NOT holding a monopoly.. when cleary Microsoft is.. not sure how they always manage to dodge the bullet. But with their Vista app and antivirus etc.. it will be intresting to see how THAT pans out.

AMD will bounce back. Intel would bet will wait till they come out with their new chip to bring out their trumping chip etc etc.. its a pretty civil circle. ATI will do the same with Nvidia.

Alot of people swing the whole Intel and Nvidia have such a HUGE budget right now. But they need competition. Dont you think Pepsi would have went down in flames by now under the rule of Coke? I mean come on.. go to Europe and ask for a Pepsi.. Even if you get a Fanta they call the thing a coke.

No worries at all.
December 8, 2006 1:40:17 PM

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But they need competition.


Exactly. I've been saying this forever. History shows time and time again that we all get screwed if there isn't healthy competition in the technology sector.

When Nvidia was the only game in town, they got lazy and bloated. When Ati surprised them with the R300 the only thing they had to fire back with was the woefully pathetic FX generation. Then they had a reason to kick it into high gear, and we had the great Nv40 and G80 generations.

Before the Athlons arrived, Intel CPUs were ridiculously overpriced, and there was little in the way of progress on that front. Now they have been inspired to produce the great Core2.

It's in everyone's best interest for AMD/Ati to stay in business, or we will be paying some colossal premiums for stagnant technology...
a b U Graphics card
December 8, 2006 1:44:19 PM

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colossal premiums for stagnant technology...

What powerful words Cleeve. You should be proud of that line. :D  (BTW, I agree with what your saying.)
December 8, 2006 1:55:13 PM

Hehheh, thanks man.

Hey, where did your Mater avatar go? I got a kick out of that. Nothing wrong with a nice mustang, mind you...
December 8, 2006 2:32:50 PM

Hey I jumped on the soapbox :p  Agree with ME!
December 8, 2006 2:36:12 PM

I did agree with you... :?:
a b U Graphics card
December 8, 2006 3:00:31 PM

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Hey, where did your Mater avatar go? I got a kick out of that. Nothing wrong with a nice mustang, mind you...

lol, me too. I tell ya my little one year old goes nuts when he sees that Mater pic. He is a car nut and walks around with handfuls of his older brothers hotwheels. Anyway, Prozac got worried about me with that one, so I threw up aonther GT500. Mater will return, at least until the little guy lashes out at another one or I get a nice pic of the IceQ X1950XT.
December 8, 2006 3:05:52 PM

Heheh. My 4 year old has, like, 4 Lightning McQueen cars.

KIDS LOVE PIXAR FILMS!
a b U Graphics card
December 8, 2006 3:14:40 PM

LOL, I hear ya. We had to do happy meals alot back when those were the toy options. We have two of these Radio shack RC's wrapped and ready to go under the tree. Would have bought all three, but they only come in two frequencies. :?
http://www.radioshack.com/sm-zipzaps-micro-rc--ac-23_fi...

And Pixar, yeah this house loves it's stuff. My kids have watched the little pixar clips(For the Birds, Boundin, Tin Toy) I download off itunes, probably near 100 times, and they still laugh themselves silly. Some parts still get me LOL too, like when the little birds imitate the big one. :lol: 

All the above talk kinda explains why there is no G80 for me. :wink:
December 8, 2006 3:32:06 PM

Luckily I am an evil man, and my children go without because of my selfishness.

Then again they have a Wii to play with, but I'm not entirely certain I got that just for them... :D 
December 8, 2006 3:49:38 PM

This is a duplicate thread of one in the CPU forum... :roll:
December 8, 2006 4:01:36 PM

Dude... whatever you are smoking/snorting/shoving into your veins... can I try some?


Anyway, AMD/ATI are in a very strong market position at the moment. Just because they aren't selling as well as before doesn't they aren't preparing something awesome to make up on small, short-term market losses (emphasis on short-term). AMD has K8L coming, and ATI has a bunch of chipsets on their way as well, one of them being R600.

Besides, people are buying G80 graphics cards, but considering their prices, only the enthusiat market really is really demanding those graphics cards, since most people can't afford them (I know I can't). Plus, C2D, being very good technology, hasn't stopped AMD selling K8 processors, in fact, AMD have been selling more processors than ever (though most now go into Dell and other OEMs).

In summary, a few market losses don't mean much. AMD/ATI will pull through, they just are taking their time to let their plans come into full swing. That's all....
a b U Graphics card
December 8, 2006 4:11:32 PM

You need to focus your statements because while there's alot of TRuisms there, I can't understand what you're trying to say.

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Thing is. Intel, Microsoft, and Nvidia.. NEED other companies to hold up in court as they are NOT holding a monopoly.. when cleary Microsoft is..


Microsoft is and isn't a monopoly?
Clearly they aren't a monopoly, but competition was so low that they were found guilty of using monopolistic power when they were almost the only option for home computing. Since then there has been the rebirth of Unix derived home options like Linux and OSX.

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not sure how they always manage to dodge the bullet.


They didn't dodge the bullet, but when Bush came to power he and his band turned the bullet into a rubber coated one. They were still hit, but far less damage than was expected.

No one is down and out, but it'll be interesting to see where nV fits in once AMD focuses on their assets, and intel works more with their own graphics department. nV's going to need to find other revenue streams.
a b U Graphics card
December 8, 2006 4:16:32 PM

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sure AMD/Ati is losing market shares in GPU segment. But Nvidia has unleashed their new generation cards as ATI didnt so people want the best NOW and doesnt wanna wait till ATI unleashed their new cards. This post is pointless


The numbers posted have little to do with the G80, so your statement has little bearing on reality.

If anything the time in question ATi had the newer technology and the better single cards. But better doesn't always win (intel sold more P4s than AMD sold XPs), ATi missed the boat bigtime IMO with their lack of solid mid and high end laptop parts you saw more X1300 and X1400 options than X1600, and the X1800 and 1900 were rarer than XGI Volari V8 Duos.
a b U Graphics card
December 8, 2006 4:18:32 PM

(no offense) Ah shoot, and here I hoped you joined the OT discussion. It was alot more fun. :tongue:
a b U Graphics card
December 8, 2006 4:27:16 PM

You see I have no kids, so the OT discussion would involve me saying something along the lines of, imagine what cool toys you could buy once you get the kids to work. That Shelby500 GT doesn't seem that far out of reach when the kids are getting $2/hr making fireworks. :twisted:

I know Cleeve just bought the Wii to build up their dexterity for stitching nikes and soccer balls.

New for the Wii from EA, Nike Sweatshop 2K7, with special guest appearance from Kathy Lee. :mrgreen:

Oh yeah, BTW, yesterday from work I saw the Icon and thought who's this guy, makes sense, scroll up, WTF, when did Paul change his icon!?! I'm sure it was the old one on like Wed.
December 8, 2006 5:32:30 PM

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New for the Wii from EA, Nike Sweatshop 2K7, with special guest appearance from Kathy Lee. :mrgreen:


:lol: 
a b U Graphics card
December 8, 2006 5:43:28 PM

LOL. that was worth reading.

I just figured Ya don't need kids to talk about Pixar, RC toys and the Wii. BTW, how did Cleeve get a Wii? Must have been day one as I've been making calls and visiting stores looking for one. That thang has caught my eye more than the other consoles. Our local ebgames was getting 3 PS3's and some Wii's in Thursdays UPS delivery, but I was too sick to go join the crowd and escort in Mr. UPS in hopes of getting one. PS3 would have been ebay'ed the wii would have gone under the tree (like Cleeve, totally just for the kids :roll: )
December 8, 2006 6:20:59 PM

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I know Cleeve just bought the Wii to build up their dexterity for stitching nikes and soccer balls.


I take offense to that. All I ask of them is to get me beer from the fridge.

How did I get a Wii you ask? On launch morning - when the idiots were already lined up for 12 hours at Future Shop and Best Buy overnight in the -15 degree weather - I simply went to my local Superstore (A grocery chain that carries electronics) a couple hours early and got one easily.

The lesson: never follow the sheep.
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