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December 7, 2006 3:36:53 PM

Ok so i found myself with a choice to make due to financials and i dont know which to pick so help out. Heres my choices...

Core 2 Duo E6400 + Geforce 7600GS

OR

Intel D 945 + Radeon X1900 GT

I can get both for around the same price but im wondering which will perform better. Thanks for the help ahead of time
December 7, 2006 3:39:07 PM

Choice is a nobrainer. I think you'll find that 99% of the gurus on this forum are gonna tell you to go with the C2D no matter what. I tend to agree!
December 7, 2006 3:57:00 PM

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Ok so i found myself with a choice to make due to financials and i dont know which to pick so help out. Heres my choices...

Core 2 Duo E6400 + Geforce 7600GS

OR

Intel D 945 + Radeon X1900 GT

I can get both for around the same price but im wondering which will perform better. Thanks for the help ahead of time

Perform better at what?

Superpi? Core 2 Duo E6400 + Geforce 7600GS
Gaming? Intel D 945 + Radeon X1900 GT
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December 7, 2006 4:00:08 PM

Gaming is always more dependent on the vid card, not the CPU. Other apps are more dependent on CPU, so depends what you're using your comp for.

That being said, the 6400 is far more futureproof, runs cooler, uses less power, and is far FASTER. It simply outclasses the 945, hands down.

And since vid cards go out of style the fastest, your 6400 will still be great when you want to upgrade your vid card ;) 


OR.....how about a happy compromise? Get the 6300 and a better vid card, at least the 7600GT. That setup will do wonders for you.
December 7, 2006 4:06:19 PM

Quote:
Ok so i found myself with a choice to make due to financials and i dont know which to pick so help out. Heres my choices...

Core 2 Duo E6400 + Geforce 7600GS

OR

Intel D 945 + Radeon X1900 GT

I can get both for around the same price but im wondering which will perform better. Thanks for the help ahead of time

Before you even think about the D945 just remember it runs hot and is not the newest technology...

So if you are planning to lower the CPU so that you can get a better CGA
get a C2D E6300 with a GF7600GT and If you are in the US you can get a GF7600GT for around $100 from www.newegg.com
It will be better then the C2D E6400 + 7600Gs because the GF7600GT is much better and you can easaly over clock the E6300 to be an E6400 with stock cooling
December 7, 2006 4:09:50 PM

I'd be using this for everything....gaming included. the games i generally play are WoW and BF2 but ill probably be picking up something new for christmas to play. Will the C2D run most things smoothly or will i struggle?
December 7, 2006 4:19:50 PM

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I'd be using this for everything....gaming included. the games i generally play are WoW and BF2 but ill probably be picking up something new for christmas to play. Will the C2D run most things smoothly or will i struggle?

It will run them fine ... if the C2D didn't run them smoothly the the d945 wouldn't at all... go for the E6300 + GF7600GT
December 7, 2006 4:38:39 PM

alright then this poses another question. Is the 7600 Gt the best i can do for 100 bucks or less?
December 7, 2006 4:42:11 PM

I'd say yes you'd do well to get the 7600GT with the C2D. Upgrade that later on when you can because the video card is outdated much faster than the processor.
December 7, 2006 4:42:49 PM

Great article.

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I think you'll find the answer is yes on the 7600GT. Especially at a street price in two digits.
December 7, 2006 4:47:04 PM

yes it is. And i wish people would stop critizing the pentium D's a pentium d 805 would own any game i have one plus the geforce 7600 and i play BF2 on max settings. my proceessor has yet to hit 100% and its not overclocked. in every thread people say the pentium D sucks, but they are idiots.
December 7, 2006 4:50:56 PM

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yes it is. And i wish people would stop critizing the pentium D's a pentium d 805 would own any game i have one plus the geforce 7600 and i play BF2 on max settings. my proceessor has yet to hit 100% and its not overclocked. in every thread people say the pentium D sucks, but they are idiots.


Hi. I'm an idiot. And I'd like to express my humble opinion that the Pentium D sucks 100 year old rotten eggs when compared to C2D.

1) Architecture. No contest.
2) Heat. No contest.
3) Performance. No contest.

If I wasn't an idiot I'd ask you to present the benchmarks performed by reliable sources to prove your point. But I won't as I'm too idiotic to ask.

:lol: 
December 7, 2006 4:55:50 PM

1) i dont care if its netburst as it gets the job done 100%
2) it puts out little heat and i dont have a working heater in the house so i wish it would put out more heat.
3) it can do anything c2d can do.


and yes Mr. idiot i would send my scores of my cheap ass ($500) computer if i had the benchmark program.
December 7, 2006 5:04:32 PM

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1) i dont care if its netburst as it gets the job done 100%
2) it puts out little heat and i dont have a working heater in the house so i wish it would put out more heat.
3) it can do anything c2d can do.
and yes Mr. idiot i would send my scores of my cheap ass ($500) computer if i had the benchmark program.


1) You're playing games. Most of the processing is happening in the GPU. You might not tell the difference if you were running a Celeron.

2) You are the first person I've ever met who wished to get more heat out of a Pentium D. Heating the house is a great idea. Of course, the temperature vs. longevity curve is of little concern if you're using your CPU as a space heater.

3) A 80486 can do anything a C2D can do. Just a whole lot slower.

Respectfully yours,

The Idiot.

:lol: 
December 7, 2006 5:16:19 PM

The pentium D is not a whole lot slower, slower yes just not a WHOLE lot slower. not to mention the dude who started this thread plays games so i am highly recommending the pentium D so he can get same performance at $100-200 cheaper. all conroe cpu's will be having severe price cuts soon being quad core is out so why not just wait half a year to a year (unless you gotta have it now).
December 7, 2006 5:19:31 PM

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all conroe cpu's will be having severe price cuts soon being quad core is out so why not just wait half a year to a year (unless you gotta have it now).


There. A statement that an idiot like me can agree with. There is little doubt that C2D prices on specific models will be lower by next year at this time. However, by then, there will be lots of really exciting and faster CPUs out to fill out the line. There always have been.
December 7, 2006 5:23:47 PM

Currently i will be getting the entire system for about 700, with 1 gig of ram and a 250 HD...i think thats a pretty good deal but i could be wrong. I figure the processor is good for at least 2 years so i think its worth it.
December 7, 2006 5:27:24 PM

the only new thing is gonna be 45nm right? octa cores arnt due till 2008 so i dont think alot of new stuff is coming out next year, now with amd thats different they have work to do.
December 7, 2006 5:31:16 PM

processors are good till they no longer work my dads Pentium 3 and my pentium 2 make good internet surfing computers. best to surf net on a sorry computer than a good one for virus reasons (i dont have security so) $700 is pretty good if ram wasnt so high you could get more ram. i got lucky bought mine when 1 gig was $80.
December 7, 2006 5:33:50 PM

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Currently i will be getting the entire system for about 700, with 1 gig of ram and a 250 HD...i think thats a pretty good deal but i could be wrong. I figure the processor is good for at least 2 years so i think its worth it.


E6400

WD 250GB

2 x 512MB RAM

Those add up to $370.17. If you've found a 7600GT for $100 then it's $470. Now it all depends what MB you're going with. They're about $60 and up. Also what case, PSU, etc. I take it there is no monitor with that price.

You could do this on the real cheap with a bottom-feeder MB and a crap case and PSU for $550. It's all on what components are in the box.
December 7, 2006 6:10:36 PM

Seeing as you're only interested in games and have a tight budger, I would definitely recommend the Pentium D and a high-level graphics card.

The Pentium D will play all current games with no problems and if you buy the right mobo you can upgrade to C2D later when they are cheap.
December 7, 2006 6:41:45 PM

$700 machine? No problem.. does that includue a monitor though?

If not.. you'll need the cpu, mobo, ram, video card, hard drive, dvd drive, case, power supply at a minimum. Get a cheap mouse/keyboard for now or re-use your current one. Reuse your current operating system & monitor too.

Now, there are a few directions you can take.. are you interested in overclocking much? Or SLI/Crossfire eventually? Or just low cost gaming with a current system?

With your low-cost needs, I'd go with something like this:

CPU: Intel E6300 $182
Mobo: Asus P5NSLI $107
RAM: 2x512MB Corsair ValueSelect DDR2-667 $107
Video: eVGA 7600GT $120
HD: Western Digital SE16 250GB (WD2500KS) $80
DVD: Lite-On 18x DVDR $30
Case/PSU: Antec Solution w/350W PSU $60

Total: $686

For $130, the Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 would be a better motherboard option if you'd rather overclock your E6300 instead of having future SLI capability.
For $125, 2x512MB CorsairXMS2 DDR2-800 memory would be better for overclocking..
For $40, a Scythe Ninja CPU heatsink will be cooler and quieter than stock, with better overclocks available..
For $90, the SeaSonic S12-430 power supply is a great upgrade - www.silentpcreview.com

All items/prices are at www.newegg.com - usually best to shop at one place to save shipping costs..

It's much better to buy a few great components, then upgrade the others as you go, than to buy all new (but lower quality/performance) components. If reusing your current computer's components is an option,
consider this:

CPU: Intel E6300 $182
Heatsink: Scythe Ninja (120mm fan included) $40
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 $130
RAM: 2x512MB CorsairXMS2 DDR2-800 $125
Video: eVGA 7600GT $120
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12-430W $90
$687

Reuse your current hard drive, case, monitor, keyboard, mouse.. those are easy to upgrade later. Don't underestimate the importance of a quality power supply, especially when overclocking. With the Scythe heatsink, SeaSonic power supply, Corsair DDR2-800 RAM, and Gigabyte motherboard, that E6300 should be able to overclock to E6700 speeds (2.67GHz) without too much trouble. Although a high performance case (Antec P180) would really help keep temperatures down. The following items have instant rebates now, so they're great deals: Scythe Ninja, Gigabyte mobo, Corsair RAM, SeaSonic PSU. There's also a $20 mail-in rebate on the video card.

Now, you've got some solid & high-speed components for now.. with a few items you could upgrade in the future:
Western Digital SE16 250GB hard drive $80
Antec P180 Case $120
Another 2x512mb RAM $125
Geforce 8 series GS GPU when they come out next year.. $200-300.

Now, some are going to say to go with the Pentium D 805 for only $92. You're not getting a Geforce 8 series video card in combination with this anyway, so why not at least have one component of the CPU/GPU be near the best available? A $182 E6300 can easily overclock to E6700/X6800 speed with relatively inexpensive supporting components, so get the 7600GS/GT video card now, and upgrade to the 8600GS (or other 8-series mid-range card) when it comes out next year..

It doesn't make sense to me to spend more money now on a DX9 videocard when a few months from now you can have a higher performing DX10 card for $200. A 7600GS/GT is enough for now, especially if you don't have the high resolution monitor to require something better.
December 7, 2006 6:56:22 PM

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yes it is. And i wish people would stop critizing the pentium D's a pentium d 805 would own any game i have one plus the geforce 7600 and i play BF2 on max settings. my proceessor has yet to hit 100% and its not overclocked. in every thread people say the pentium D sucks, but they are idiots.


it's impossible for a dual core to hit 100% while gaming unless the game is multithreaded.
December 7, 2006 7:03:05 PM

E6300 and 7600GT will kick @$$, plain and simple. 7600GT will handle your needs easily, and the 6300 will last FAR longer than any 805, 945, or whatever. Will also be cooler, draw less power, and be FASTER. Anyone that thinks otherwise is sadly mistaken.

Will the 6300 give you a much bigger framerate in games? NO.
Is the 6300 a better chip? YES.
Is it more futureproof? YES.
Is it a better investment/return for your money? YES.
Will it provide a better all-around system as you've asked? YES.
Will it make you feel warm and fuzzy 'cause your CPU kick @$$ and destroys a 805/945 when overclocked? YES.
Will it make you popular with the ladies? Only if she has a 6300 as well ;) 
December 7, 2006 7:12:08 PM

If you perform many tasks on your computer then definitely the 6400. Even if your main focus were gaming I'd still say go with the 6400 even tho for games the other setup might initially give you more gaming joy.

The reason for this is future proofing mainly. The 6400 you can keep for several years with good results. You can always upgrade the graphics card again at a later date.

If however you went the 945 route though you would end up wanting to upgrade both parts probably sooner than you'd need to upgrade the 6400 cpu.

On a side note, the e6300 can overclock very easily, even for the unexperienced, to speeds higher than the 6400. Why not take that course of action and drop the extra couple bucks on getting a better graphics card to begin with?? WIN-WIN ! yah! :) 
December 7, 2006 7:46:25 PM

wow you guys are really helpful...i appreciate that. Ill probably be going with a e6400 + 7600GT since i should be able to do that for 700...i appreciate all the help
December 7, 2006 7:47:31 PM

Interesting thread this. If you have the money the C2D is ideal, however....

Personally I'm going with the Pentium D 805. Looking at the CPU charts it does a pretty fair job with gaming.

If one has a limited budget, in CAD the D805 is about 112 and the E6300 is about 216 - so almost double. If one looks at the cost efficiency on the CPU charts you'll see that the D805 one of the best bets at the moment.

I'm looking at 7600 GT myself -great mid range card - there are so many flavours its confusing though - but the XFX 7600 GT 590 MHz XXX gives the higher end cards a run for their money (it's already overclocked so no performance improvement if you try and overclock). In Canada it's about 160...not sure about the US.

Motherboard - I think it depends on whether one wants to run 1 or 2 cards.... But I'd definitely get a MB that will run a C2D....

BTW I'm building a machine myself, so some useful comments here....
December 7, 2006 8:00:55 PM

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Interesting thread this. If you have the money the C2D is ideal, however....

Personally I'm going with the Pentium D 805. Looking at the CPU charts it does a pretty fair job with gaming.

If one has a limited budget, in CAD the D805 is about 112 and the E6300 is about 216 - so almost double. If one looks at the cost efficiency on the CPU charts you'll see that the D805 one of the best bets at the moment.

I'm looking at 7600 GT myself -great mid range card - there are so many flavours its confusing though - but the XFX 7600 GT 590 MHz XXX gives the higher end cards a run for their money (it's already overclocked so no performance improvement if you try and overclock). In Canada it's about 160...not sure about the US.

Motherboard - I think it depends on whether one wants to run 1 or 2 cards.... But I'd definitely get a MB that will run a C2D....

BTW I'm building a machine myself, so some useful comments here....


Cost efficiency.. if you overclock that D 805, power consumption shoots through the roof (plenty of articles online about 805 power consumption while overclocked). It's not at all as bad with OC'd E6300's. The price difference is US$90 now, but for future performance and power consumption savings, the US$90 is worth it. An E6300 overclocked surpasses stock performance of the E6700 on air cooling, even with the E6700's 4MB cache. No 805 can make that claim. True, the difference in gaming won't be as noticeable now, but future games will eventually show a difference..

The 7600GT is a good card, but it doesn't give higher cards a run for the money when OC'd. The 7900GS is around only US$180, has 20 pixel pipelines instead of only 12, and runs at a 256 bit data path over the 7600's 128 bits. I'd like to see some numbers of an OC'd 7600GT truly spanking a stock 7900GS.. I'm doubtful on that.
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December 7, 2006 8:16:22 PM

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yes it is. And i wish people would stop critizing the pentium D's a pentium d 805 would own any game i have one plus the geforce 7600 and i play BF2 on max settings. my proceessor has yet to hit 100% and its not overclocked. in every thread people say the pentium D sucks, but they are idiots.


Oh dear lord, are you still spreading your misinformation?

You CAN NOT play mondern video games at a normal resolution with a 7600 with the setting MAXED out. You can play the games, but NOT MAXED! I told you this in that other thread, and I'll tell you that again. If your looking to save some money, get an AMD CPU, as they are better then the netburst ones. If you have the green, get the C2D. Use the right tool for the job, don't worry about who made it.
December 7, 2006 8:18:19 PM

Time to hit the FUD button yet?
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December 7, 2006 8:21:04 PM

Would if I could man, would if I could....
December 7, 2006 8:51:05 PM

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Would if I could man, would if I could....


This is your chance!



:lol: 
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December 7, 2006 9:21:43 PM

Oh yea, there it is. Right next to my any key.....
December 7, 2006 9:50:49 PM

The 6300 may be double the cost of the 805, but when you look at total system cost, it's actually more like 8% higher on the total build cost.

As for which 7600GT? I've used a few different ones in builds....the BFG cooler is LOUD. The EVGA is quiet, and can even be used for a Step-Up program that EVGA offers. You can get the overclocked EVGA one at Directcanada.com for $160 stock price.....they have different deals weekly so keep an eye open.
December 8, 2006 11:50:27 AM

I did not imply that this particular 7600 GT beat those higher end cards - considering it's technology (for eg running at 128 bits) it does very well....

Some reviews

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/xfx-7600...

They did not go against 7900GS though.

http://www.nvnews.net/reviews/xfx_7600gt_xxx/

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/312/1/

I think it all depends on how much money you are prepared to shell out - and how tight your budget is. This card goes for CAD 160 - the GS7900 goes for CAD 226 and higher. Is the performance improvement you get worth the extra CAD 66 - I'm not so sure. Particularly as Direct X 10 is coming out soon.

If I wasn't on a tight budget I'd be looking at the latest C2D and the Geforce 8800 :D 

And I'm not looking at overclocking - so whatever I get will be stock.....

Here is the price performance index for the two CPUs



My biggest problem is which MB....
December 8, 2006 11:57:22 AM

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The 6300 may be double the cost of the 805, but when you look at total system cost, it's actually more like 8% higher on the total build cost.


How do you get to that total system costing? Just curious :D . If its going to cost me 8% more to build, then I'd obviously go for the bottom end C2D.
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