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I'm stuck between a P4D 945 and a Duo E6300, I've looked at loads of comparison charts, none seem to have these precise processors. Some people have asked in here before but i have different querys.

I'm saving up money to get a new system for xmas, I don't have much and may not even be able to get all of this, but this is what i plan to do.

Get either a P4D 945 or a Duo E6300 because they are the same price. they both have 2mb of L2, the P4D 945 runs at 3.4ghz and has 800mhz FSB, the E6300 runs at 186mhz and had 1066mhz FSB.

I can only afford 512mb 800mhz cheapo memory at the moment (maybe if I get enough money for xmas 1gb but still only 800mhz)

And a cheap motherboard that has onboard graphics (until i can afford a graphics card in the future)

This way I will have a computer soon that i can upgrade as I can afford.

So what processor is better taking into account that I'm only going to have 800mhz (PC6400) memory? My thinking says that the 945 running at 3.4ghz will run faster than the E6300 as I wont be using all the FSB speed. (I'm not bothered about the power consumption issue)

Your answer without overclocking the E6300 and maybe again with overclocking it, please make it clear which is which though.

I mainly want windowsXP to load faster and for stuff like IE & OE, winamp, and other general programs to open faster. As well as running some top games like UT2004 and Battlefield on medium settings.

One last question, whats the recommended wattage for a power supply for these processors? (with 1 hard drive and 1 DVD-r running)

Kurt

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Get the E6300, any P4 thats not free is a ripoff.

Since your getting onboard gfx i think that a good 400w psu would be more then enough. Might want to invest in a better one though, that way when you buy a new graphics card you wont have to get a new psu as well.

Reply to apt403

Here's a review of the E6300 vs the P-D 945 using PC2-6400 memory:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] 00_11.html

Reply to accord99

Nobody mentionned it but for a 800mhz FSB all you need is 400mhz ram in dual channel.

For the 1066FSB you need DDRII-533 ram.

So first of GET THE C2D :lol:

I would personally recommand you get Good DDRII533 or 667. Even if the rpice are really close, you should no go with el Cheapo Memory...

667 would be the recommanded speed since it will allow you to OC a little =)

Reply to Anonymous

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Nobody mentionned it but for a 800mhz FSB all you need is 400mhz ram in dual channel.

For the 1066FSB you need DDRII-533 ram.

So first of GET THE C2D :lol:

I would personally recommand you get Good DDRII533 or 667. Even if the rpice are really close, you should no go with el Cheapo Memory...

667 would be the recommanded speed since it will allow you to OC a little =)



He beat me to it. The E6300's 1066MHz bus only uses 533MHz RAM (which is technically 1066 with the double data rate). If you're getting 800MHz RAM, that's plenty of overclocking headroom, but don't go cheap on it. You're better off getting decent 667MHz RAM that will still enable a good boost in speed.. 667MHz RAM will allow the BIOS bus speed to be set up to 333MHz (from the stock 266MHz) at a minimum. Good DDR2-667 RAM will go higher. At 333MHz BIOS bus speed, your E6300 will be at 2.33GHz.. but with a decent motherboard, 2.5GHz should be possible on the DDR2-667 memory.. getting close to E6700 speed..

Reply to -silencer-

I agree on this, but you can get some cheap ddr2-800 ocz that should be able to handle really high fsb (supposedly 500 or so according to some of the better ocers here)

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Yeah but a cheap mobo won't hit 500 FSB.

Kurt, a 945 will $hit itself if you put a 6300 near it ;) Hands down, no question, get the 6300.

If you can get cheaper 533 or 667 RAM @ 1 gig, do that. Then add more later. You won't be disappointed, the C2D will chew through the 945 and still have some left over to take on what's left of any 805 that people are thinking of buying :D

Reply to skyguy

well, the ocz will at least let kurt take advantage of conroes 1066 stock support even if he can't reach above 400 fsb

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Ok a bit confused, but think I have the just of it.

So can someone confirm that these will be ok for the E6300 and will also allow me to overclock it in the future?

Asus P5VD2-MX S775 P4M890 MATX VGA Sound LAN FSB1066 motherboard, this is a pretty cheap one but also has onboard graphics which I NEED at the moment, so sounds good to me, is it adequate?

And Corsair Value Select 1024Mb (2x512mB) Kit 667MHz 240Pin 1GB DDR2 RAM DIMM 1.8V?

And what would happen if I can't afford 1gig? would i be better of getting 1 512 800mhz or would you still recommend a 667MHz?

And many thanks for all the people that have already replied :)

Kurt

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Ok think that motherboard is no good because the memory wont run fast enough, can someone possibly check this site out and choose me the cheapest motherboard that will be good enough for the job? It has to be cheap though.
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech [...] 0m0&page=1

Reply to gangsta_kurt

easy:

get the e6300, however, the cheapest motherboard, which is something like a foxconn, will save you enough money so you can buy a 6200GS or even a 7300GS.

This is your only realist option if you want to play those games.

as regard to the pentium D, as a general rule of thumb, buy only the lastes wave of processors (ie not pentium) with the best price for performace ratio, so your better with the core 2 duo e6300, i have one, fast enough to out stip anyone on FEAR

Reply to dobby

I don't see why the memory won't run at full. that is more dependent on the ram itself

just do yourself a favor and gets some ocz platinum, for the price, it will do what you want

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Totally can't afford a good motherboard and good memory, so I'll have to make do with cheap ones. (I know the good memory is only about £30 more but that will take another month to save up, the same with the motherboard, that extra £20 will take 2-3 weeks, then the 2 months to save up for a graphics card to go in it, would be an extra 3-4 months or so before I could afford to get my new computer up and running!)

Will take everyones advice and get a E6300 though and keep my fingers crossed that it will still be faster than the 945, even with cheapo memory and motherboard.

Thanks for everyones help, will hopefully be back just after christmas asking how to overclock it :)

p.s 'Dobby' the foxconn on that link i gave is a AGP motherboard, I definetly want to get a PCI one.

Reply to gangsta_kurt

All I can say is go through what ever means possible to get a good mobo

I have an am2 2ghz cpu running at almost 3ghz, which is a major oc for am2 because I have a good mobo

The gigabte DS3 mobo is a quite good one for the price
Stick with ocz for ram, it'll do that job and its generally the cheapest with a heatspreader

Reply to I_Love_Tacos

Check the Asus P5ld2 series or, if you want it really cheap, look at the Asrock selection.

Reply to Slobogob

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Get the E6300, any P4 thats not free is a ripoff.

Since your getting onboard gfx i think that a good 400w psu would be more then enough. Might want to invest in a better one though, that way when you buy a new graphics card you wont have to get a new psu as well.



I agree on the E6300. But non-sense on the psu. 400W psu can run literally any video card you throw at it. Hell you dont even need a PCI-e 6 pin to run the latest. I was using my 7800 GTX OC the other day without the 6 pin and it was working absolutely fine and normal, PLAYING video games, and this was on a 400 watt, 15A, with only 1, 12V rail, on a duo core 6400.

Hilarious how these companies talk about upgrading your PSU to a more expensive one, and for what??? Its a scam.. Ya buy the better quality psu for sure, but you dont need anything mega spectacular, unless you plan to run SLI/crossfire configuration.

The 945 retails for about 190$ Cad. last time I checked. Compared to the E6300 which is about 220 right now I beleive. But the difference in performance is outstanding. Shell out the cash and go for the 6300.

If you want to do a comparison compare the 6400's with the top of the line Pentium D chips, the 6400 still comes out on top.

The pc 6400 ram costs alot. You can pc5400 for less, and the difference is not that great. ALSO, there is amuch greater benefit in using Dual channel, slower clocked ram, then using single channel faster ram.

Reply to thegreat1

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Check the Asus P5ld2 series or, if you want it really cheap, look at the Asrock selection.



Thanks but these don't have on-board video, and I need it otherwise I'll have to find money for a graphics card too.

Reply to gangsta_kurt

[quote=]The pc 6400 ram costs alot. You can pc5400 for less, and the difference is not that great. ALSO, there is amuch greater benefit in using Dual channel, slower clocked ram, then using single channel faster ram.[/quote]

Problem there is it would fill up the only 2 memory slots the cheap boards have buying two 512mbs and I would then have to chuck them out in the future to put more in.

Reply to gangsta_kurt

hmm
OCZ is probably cheap enough to get pc6400 ram (come on, its just above 200 for 2gigs, its 150 for 1 gig of corsair, gee I wonder, doesn't ocz sound like a good buy)

Also its only 100 for 1 gig, just something to think about

OCZ is a good company, it just requires a minimum of 2.1 volts thats why some idiots can't get it to run

Reply to I_Love_Tacos
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