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December 10, 2006 1:22:39 AM

Hiyz guyz

First off let me say I have really learned alot on this forum and tomshardware.com in general, I have been a lurker here for a couple of months now(learning about parts for my new system,hehe) and have really learned alot, but still have a ways to go...

Anywho, this is my list so far, I still need a PSU, so help there would be appreciated. Was trying to keep this under 1500, but you can see how that went. Also any changes, things I could downgrade and still keep the performance would help too. I really like teh E6600 and the 8800GTX, once the system is stable and I got a better grip on it I may OC the E6600, which it looks like handles it well, so let me know if cooling is good enough, this case seems like a good cooler with lots of fans and the added big side panel fan would helptoo I think, but not sure.

Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions...


Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS Black Aluminum/Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
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EVGA 122-CK-NF68-AR Socket T (LGA 775) NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
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BFG Tech BFGR88768GTXE GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
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SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write, LightScribe Technology Black IDE Model SH-S182M/BEBN - OEM
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December 10, 2006 2:08:14 AM

Looks pretty good, but get this ram instead, much tighter timings. Here's a good psu for the system, it'll easily support the system. and get an aftermarket hsf, the scythe infinity, tuniq tower 120, and thermaltake big typhoon are 3 really good ones.
December 10, 2006 6:19:30 AM

Everything looks good (including the PSU recommendation by apt), except for one thing. Your video card is pointless right now. DX 10 although promising, is still just that..... promising. You won't be able to use DX 10 unless you're running Vista which is still just under 2 months away for the public, and there will be very few games out which are using the DX 10 API's at Vista's launch. By the time DX 10 becomes the norm in new game releases, something much better will be out from Nvidia (8900GTX anyone?). I would stick with either a 7900GT, or one of ATI's high end cards.
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December 10, 2006 7:07:59 AM

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Your video card is pointless right now.


the bench's speak for themselfs.



The dx10 part doesnt matter, the fact that the 8800gtx is insanly powerful does.
December 10, 2006 7:27:30 AM

lol Muahaaha, i like you, we think exactly alike i built basically the same system just a couple weeks ago here's what i have

Cooler Master CM stacker case, this case is BIG and heavy, i could kick it as hard as i can kick like 50-60 times and everything inside will be safe, built really sturdy if you can grab one do so, i love it, great cooling too

eVGA 680i Motherboard, Awesome overclocker 100% worth the money i have seen reviews in witch people say asus went wrong with striker, i also hear striker is hard to overclock, this is so easy to OC it isnt funny

eVGA 8800GTX, go with eVGA on this one truly and seriously, this hardware will be buggy and it may have problems no matter what company, eVGA is Extremely Knowledgable about their hardware, any issues that cant be fixed, RMA it. wanna OC your Graphics card (mines at 630/1.9 stock 575/1.8) thats fine, your Overclocking will NOT void your warranty. say in a month or so the 8900GTX comes out and you REALLY REALLY want it, thats fine too they will take your card and credit it towards your 8900. eVGA owns BFG

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600, great little CPU runs fast and cool i use a Zalman CNPS 9500 and Arctic silver 5 to cool it, running at 3.45 GHz and 42* idle like 60 max not a bad temp at all for air cooling,

2 Gigz Corsair XMS DDR800 running @776 MHz on a 1:1 ratio with the CPU 4-4-4-12 timings

2 WD raptors RAID 0

2 Samsung DVD burners

Enermax 1000W PSU. this PSU powers all very very well, im happy with it and i have room to go SLI if i ever want to 350 bucks or so

go for it, you will have a badge that comes with the system saying you are certified with Bragging rights
December 10, 2006 7:32:23 AM

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Enermax 1000W PSU. this PSU powers all very very well, im happy with it and i have room to go SLI if i ever want to 350 bucks or so


hmm, that might be a little overkill for a single 8800gtx (maybe even two), but the quality is definatly there.
December 10, 2006 7:34:36 AM

it is most definitly overkill but it is definitly better to have too much power then too little with this PSU i can go SLI and add 2 more Raptors to go into 0+1 plus if anything comes up down the line that needs ALOT of power its nice to know that my PSU will be able to take the lick'n without a sweat
December 10, 2006 12:27:19 PM

So even with all the fans the case has I should get a cooler for the CPU? or only once I am gonna OC it? And with the side panel 25cm fan sitting right where the CPU is, that still not enough to help keep the CPU cool?

And yeah, i went with the 8800GTX cuz of the numbers, even if DX10 isnt supported yet, it still outstrips everything out there. I will take UAL3312s suggestion of going with EVGA, went BFG cuz of the warranty, but EVGA has the same and the stepup is nice.

Wish I could go raptor in raid, but budget is being stretched as it is, so the 250 HD will have to cover it.


Thanks for all your help, and Apt for the PSU and fan suggestion if I do go that route. Anyother advice or suggestoins are appreciated.
December 10, 2006 12:34:22 PM

yeah i would say regardless of what your doing get AS5 and an aftermarket heatsink, in many cases it will drop your stock CPU temp by 15 degrees or so
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
December 10, 2006 12:34:51 PM

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So even with all the fans the case has I should get a cooler for the CPU?
It makes things a lot easier if you just add the after market HSF right at the beginning. Saves you the trouble of removing the stock HSF later and having to clean the CPU before installing the replacement HSF. And a better HSF will be keep the CPU cooler right from the start which is never a bad thing. Considering the low cost to get a good HSF you'd be smart to get one now if you're even thinking of OC'ing in the future. Look for something like the Scythe Infinity, Thermalright Ultra-120 or Thermaltake Big Typhoon coolers.
December 10, 2006 12:36:27 PM

ehem, Zalman 9500 :wink:
December 10, 2006 1:05:51 PM

ok, so I added the thermaltake typhoon for a CPU cooler, though the zalman may be a choice also, one of those two I think...do I really need the side fan on the case? the 25cm add on? or is more the merrier when it comes to cooling, lol, as the case seems to be from reading the forums:-)

thanks again for all the replies:-)
December 10, 2006 1:14:34 PM

just an FYI i do not know how the Big typhoon performs but at stock settings my CPU only runs at 27* with the zalman CNPS 9500, it performs extremely well, as for the 25CM fan, go for it, the more the merrier, just make sure enough hot air is being pushed out of the case this is more or less the big purpose of case fans, maybe 1 or 2 blowing in, and 3-4 blowing out
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
December 10, 2006 1:30:59 PM

Both the Big Typhoon and 9500 are on the recommended list of coolers in the THG Core2Duo Overclocking Guide v1.1 forum thread. If you haven't done so already I'd recommend you look it over.

The question of the 250mm fan really boils down to how high you want to overclock. I think the four case fans that come with the case should be enough for anything but the most extreme CPU and GPU overclocking, especially if you do a good job of cable management to enable air flowing freely in the case. I'd guess you'd need to work on improved cooling for the NB and SB long before you exceed the stock cooling ability of the Armor case fans.
December 10, 2006 1:44:14 PM

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Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS Black Aluminum/Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #: VA8000BWS
Item #: N82E16811133154


Why are you getting such a big case? Its gonna be mostly empty with your rig. If you went with a P180 you'd still have lots of space and also soundproofing.
December 10, 2006 1:45:32 PM

unless your fully watercooled with great cable management and a few good fans, the bigger the better
December 10, 2006 1:46:07 PM

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unless your fully watercooled with great cable management and a few good fans, the bigger the better


huh? bigger the better why? a full ATX case with 1 DVD and 1 HD drive?
In his case, bigger is just taking up more office/bedroom space for no reason. Hes not even doing water.
December 10, 2006 1:54:13 PM

If I went with the P180 would also save me some $$,hehe..would everythign fit in there ok? seems the p180 has good fans in front back and top so airflow should be good I think, and with the CPU cooler seems it would work good if all my stuff fits, which is why I went with a big case(heard teh 8800 is BIG,ehhe)..

also, WR2, I looked at the parts list for the guid and seen the other Nforce 570 /590 arnt recommended, is the EVGA 680i motherboard that I picked out OK? someone else posted its good for OCing....

thanks again, keep up the good discussion:-)
December 10, 2006 1:56:23 PM

the 680i is very good for Overclocking, virtually everything can be tinkered with through Bios and it is stable at high FSB mine is running stable at 3.45GHz 1.525 Vcore
December 10, 2006 2:00:55 PM

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If I went with the P180 would also save me some $$,hehe..would everythign fit in there ok? seems the p180 has good fans in front back and top so airflow should be good I think, and with the CPU cooler seems it would work good if all my stuff fits, which is why I went with a big case(heard teh 8800 is BIG,ehhe)..

also, WR2, I looked at the parts list for the guid and seen the other Nforce 570 /590 arnt recommended, is the EVGA 680i motherboard that I picked out OK? someone else posted its good for OCing....

thanks again, keep up the good discussion:-)


Well put it this way, my rig has two sli'd 8800gtx's, corsair 8888 ram with fans on top, a water system with 2 pumps inside the case, 3 hard drives, a DVD/CD burner, and an enermax galaxy psu. All in a P180 case.
I did have to take out the middle fan in the bottom bay to fit the enermax, but the psu has its own (bigger) intake fan anyway.

I think you could fit a rig with just 1 HD and 1 DVD in there easily.
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
December 10, 2006 2:20:53 PM

Niz;
Did you need to remove the middle 3.5" drive bay to get the 8800GTXs in the case? Any problems routing cables with the longer 8800GTXs?

McBane;
680i motherboards are pretty new, but all indications are they're going to be an excellent performer and a good all around choice.
December 10, 2006 2:36:37 PM

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Niz;
Did you need to remove the middle 3.5" drive bay to get the 8800GTXs in the case? Any problems routing cables with the longer 8800GTXs?

McBane;
680i motherboards are pretty new, but all indications are they're going to be an excellent performer and a good all around choice.


No, didn't have to remove any bays for the gpus (did for the water system though).
No routing problems either.
8800 GTX's really aren't as long as everyone seems to keep imagining.
As regards 680i mobo's... my striker extreme is very nice.
December 10, 2006 4:35:59 PM

Now, what about in the future with the P180 if I do add another HD or two(raid them or something), or if I do add a second optical drive, will that eat up too much room in the 180...I liked the thermaltake cuz it has lots of room and cooling, and being my first build, figured having that extra room to play with would help. Though I will have a buddy helping me put it all together(he has a buisness doing techsupport and building/fixing computers out of his house).

thanks :lol: 
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
December 10, 2006 4:57:27 PM

Antec P 180 vs Thermaltake Armor
Compare them side by side. Either one has plenty of room for a RAID array and dual optical drives.
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