Biofuel, where are people's mind at nowadays....

never saw it that way Sypher, very interesting. Global Warming is one of those shady areas where I don't really know what to think.

Dont worry, just go rumage through UTube and some fukctard conspiracy theorist will tell you how to think

Noam Chomsky is a deer sweet, sweet person.


I couldn't watch what you posted in the other thread.
I don't know you, but I have something to say to you. If you have something to say, say it nicely. Because even if what you have to say is true, you will shut yourself out by being offensive. Does it matter what someone calls you? I think not. It doesn't change who you are, but if you keep your composure, you will improve yourself. This is something I, myself, work on everyday.

Take care.

Biofuels?
Two types I know of.
One is vegetable oils with the fat molecules removed and used to replace diesel oil. The benefit; used vegetable oils from restaurants, etc. can be recycled into biofuel. The con; there isn't enough used vegetable oil to meet demand. Also it takes energy to remove the fatty acids from the vegetable oils. And biodiesel has less BTU per pound than petroleum diesel.
The second type is ethanol. Ethanol requires a great deal of energy to produce. Thus it's production nullifies any atmosheric polution reduction.
Also ethanol has a lot fewer BTU's per pound than gasoline. Ethanol based fuels used for autombile engines has one bonus. Ethanol fuel produce less NOX and hydrocarbon emission.

Biofuels are more expensive to produce.
Are biofuels better for the environment: No
The benefit of biofuel: It is derived from a renewable resource.

So speaketh the word of ingnorance itself. Fukctard.

1. They do not use wood! I hope you would be aware that a young tree processes far more CO2 than an old one. Sustainable forestry is actually a very good carbon trap. The last time I had a look at the production issues there had been some big improvements on the ethanol front using a new bio conversion process on a native North American grass over many of the traditional crops used for conversion. As for the bio diesel I do know someone that runs a % of their fuel as straight vegetable oil with no processing other than filtration. Not recommended but it works.

2. Correct. Deforestation is a problem. Much deforestation is as a result of land clearing for food production or for mining operations. Think of the forests as acting as a CO2 trap, they do not remove it but convert it. Quite a bit of work was done in Holland growing Willow trees in the cooling ponds for power stations. Being local to the CO2 production they trap much of gas. The young trees were then harvested and burnt in the power station. It's not carbon neutral by any stretch but the results were interesting and I'd recommend you have a look.

3. Global warming is a dubious phrase. Climate change is far more accurate IMHO. To my eye the issues break down as:

3a. Reduction in oil reserves = people fighting for control of what is left.
3b. Movement of weather systems results in lower food production and need to change types of crop grown.
3c. Smaller reserves = shift to bio fuel which increases land use requirements and reduces food production
3d. Ever increasing global population increases demand for all goods and services which are already affected by the above.

4. Actually an overdue adjustment to what has long been a subsidised market. Historically we have lived on far less food than we do now. Waste is huge problem, how much food gets thrown away on a daily basis?

5. There will not be a WW3. There will however be a massive shift in the balance of power. I'll avoid dragging this one down into conspiracy land but have a look at some of the big money men that already have massive control over the global picture.

6. I went to Uni so I'll take that one as a no. Seriously though they tend to have a little more about them than average but I've found plenty of none degree educated folks that would leave them standing in terms of understanding.

7.If their dumb enough to let us exploit them then they are not that smart.

Other issues that I see affecting food production are those evil Monsanto fockers. They are already selling grain types that do not produce seed, forcing farmers to continually buy new seed stock from them rather than setting aside and growing on next season. If those manage to cross bread with native strains then we really are going to be focked. Interesting that we now have a global seed bank in place in Norway to preserve pure genetics in seed strains.

Mugs makes a valid comment on moving to Nuclear production. If you had asked me 10 years ago I would have said it was a bad idea but where we are at the moment it's making a lot more sense. The big issue is the nasty waste. It may be small but fock is it nasty. We also have the whole fuel conversion to weapons grade material issue to contend with. I was reading about plans to make what were effectively sealed reactor units that could be used by developing nations which could negate part of the second issue but the spent reactors are still a disposal issue.

Ultimately we are focked, human nature and greed will eventually destroy us.

I agree Audiovoodoo, they do not use wood but instead they would cut them down to make more room for farm grounds. That's the main issue. They need more space for being able to provide enough biofuel for all the vehicles in the world to drive on. Talking about biofuel.....what would happen if yellowstone park explodes and the plants stop growing by lag of sunlight while earth is allready overpopulated as we brainless sheep can't think of birthcontrol. Millions of people will die of starvation worldwide while America will be inhaling those dangerous dust particles that would also kill most of them. Vehicles will stop running as biofuels can't be produced anymore. Everything will come to a hold. It's only the question when will this supervulcano errupt. It's breathing (ground goes up and down).
And yes, humanity is some failing Virus living on a spinning electron or neutron destroying itself.

I agree with Mugs about Nuclear Powerplants and the energy they deliver.
Hopefully space is nice enough not to trow any large chunks of rock at them.
Also I hope they are not planning on building one in San Fransisco. That would be a ticking timebomb if mother earth needs a huge superquake. Sure they have methods to create anti quake buildings nowadays but superquakes are another level. They bring great risk.

A solution for Nuclear waste?

A plan by the nuclear industry to build a £1bn fuel processing plant at Sellafield is being backed by the government's chief scientist. The plant would turn the UK's 60,000 tonnes of high-level nuclear waste into reactor fuel that will provide 60 per cent of this country's electricity until 2060, it is claimed.

Check it out:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/ [...] matechange

I have the perfect solution and its very simple. Remove the alternator from cars.

You have to pedal to charge your battery. People will lose weight and the obese epidemic will go away. Next, people will drive less because they're lazy bastards, thus saving gasoline costs dramatically.

While we still might be dependent on oil, not as much since no one will be driving as much.

Sometimes we need to take a step back to take two steps forward.

I don't believe in regulating the automobile industry. I believe you should be able to purchase anything you want.. and you also have to pay for your gasoline.

I firmly believe that if you want to b*tch about gas prices, you better not have any luxuries like Cable/Satellite TV, a 42" plasma TV, a V6 or large of an engine, or even a cell phone.

We value our luxuries more than we value our needs. This is wrong on every level.

luxories?

i know which one i would rather fcuk up

Couldn't have said it better. I was faced with a choice this month - 2.0T car or smaller one. Turbo based being more expensive on monthly installments PLUS the petrol factor. So, I opted for a smaller car, 40" LCD and some extra cash a month.

When wifey took the pay cut, I realized I wasn't getting my LCD TV or new puter, and she wasn't getting her washer / dryer.

We had some choices to make, but they were pretty easy ones this time...

However, Riser, there's a difference between having a handfull of luxories and the ones you mentioned...

I've got a Wrangler with an I6 engine. 16 - 18 MPG. I'll bitch about the gas prices all I want, as the Jeep is paid off and worth not a whole lot.
I also don't feel that CATV / cellular phones should just be counted as luxories. I've got CATV and cell phones. I had both before the gas went up. I'm not going to give them up as soon as the gas starts rising, Riser.

But I'm sure as hell not happy about the gas prices. I don't bitch and moan, but it sure as hell sucks my lefty...

We are making lifestyle changes to combat the price of gas, and as long as that's done, I feel I have the right to complain about it as long as I want.

My Jeep is over 10 years old...

Do you think we saw $4.00 / gallon back then?[/Right back at you]

One of the main reasons I keep the Jeep is that it is very easy to work on and parts are plentiful. When the engine bombed, I got a junkyard swap for $450. Another $100 in parts, a weekend in my parent's garage with a mechanic friend of mine, and we were done.

I didn't expect a 3x to 4x increase over the last 10 years! I mean, holy crap!

Audio- you're missing a point though. Jef has a vehicle that is paid off and cheap for him to fix.

New car payment, $350/month but better gas mileage. Its cheaper for him to continue running his Jeep over buying a new car.

As far as the mortgages goes, people a F'ing stupid and I laugh at them. I bought at the exact same time as those people did. I happened to get a 30 year fixed rate with 0% down. A lot of people went with 30 year, 5/7 year ARM with a rate of 1/4 a point lower than my fixed rate. I couldn't believe people were accepting that! The guy was shocked I wanted to the fixed rate. I said, "In 25 year, I know the exact amount I'll be paying."

The average new car costs about $20,000 and are starting to hit 6 year loans on them. Its not feasible to go out and buy a new car to spend less on gas prices. Keep the car until it dies.

Gas prices started going up. I got rid of my truck and bought a car. It doesn't get the best gas mileage but it does better than my truck by a lot. Same payment, less gas prices. I miss my truck and I could have used it plenty of times.. but the money I've saved each month was more than adequate.

We're getting to the point where people will start, finally, changing their lifestyle because of the pricing. In fact, I said I would stop going out once a week previously if gas kept going up. Well, I changed over to a car and now I can afford to maintain my same level of quality of life. I go out just as much - just not spending the money on gas - it goes right back to entertainment.

I lease. I think you're stupid to buy a brand new car up front after I've leased.

They gave me $2,000 extra off the price tag if I leased. I have an interest rate 1/3rd the rate if I had purchased the vehicle, and I already know the max value of the car in 3 years which is negotiable down, not up. So I'm paying off more of the car up front with a lower interest rate. In 2 years time, I say I want to buy the car and renegotiate the pricing and take out a 3 year loan on it. I'll have it paid off in 5 years, pay less in interest since the amount is smaller from the lease payments.

Or I could have paid $2,000 more and bought the car at a higher interest rate and had a 5 year loan on it.

I'd like to have a full size car or truck. = dream
I drive a compact. = reality

I drive a 2.2i Audi, the C3 200. Nice car. Smooth, comfortable, power when I want it, economy when I don't. Only thing I don't like is when I have to park in a shopping center's parking area.

It's neither good or bad. It's simply a necesity to shift your steak munching septic butt. [/Morning oh hated one ]

Not so bad. I've just gotten off the phone with an agency that actually seem to think they can get me a half decent job. This one is actually taking the time to send me a list of customer specific items that they like to see in the CV so we can nail the application when we put it forwards at the end of the week. Makes a change from the dumb focks that just seem to want to forward the general CV they pick up from the likes of TotalJobs or Monster.

A guy I used to work with got a job on the team they are trying to get me into a while back although he has now left to become a police officer. It's big, it's corporate and it would pay reasonably well. Best of all it's slap bang in the middle of town so easy to get to.

The only down side is written tests before they interview.

Some people use that V8 for work purposes. Most justify it to pull that jet ski or perhaps a boat once or twice a year.

We used to have a Landrover back in the day. We used to hall 3 canoes, 6 people, a dog, a caravan and 3 weeks camping supplies up to Scotland every summer and be able to cruise at 90mph on the motorway all with a 2.5l straight 6.

I fail to see how shifting a few planks would ever justify the need for 5.7l of V8. Now the absence of reasonably proportioned **** might.

Quite a few cars come with remote start / defrost nowadays. I wouldn't be surprised if the pervert can pre toast his poncy motor.