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December 14, 2006 12:49:15 AM

Hi

***[I know this doesnt belong here but is the only way to get fast answers cuz I need this before friday! sorry!]***


Well here is a little story

I use a computer every 2 days in which there is a program installed and everytime the manager sees something rare or going bad, he would turn off your computer or will block it (with a screen saying your attention required) so 99% of this cases are NOT because something is going on but because me and some friends check our email and thats when this guy blocks the pc's.
So checking on the task manager, impossible to close, there are this 2 or 3 processes that would stop this program from running but I cant close them since they are SYSTEM processes.
Here is where my request for help goes...

Does anybody here know how to KILL this SYSTEM processes? I know some programs out there but most are old or outdated etc Please people I need it before thursday night!!! Help me out!
December 14, 2006 1:34:10 AM

If the process is running under SYSTEM then you have to have the rights. Starting any app under your token still needs the rights.

It sounds like it's a COM or WMI app, so it may be accessible through Program Files.

Again though with it running under SYSTEM there won't be a lot you can do.
December 14, 2006 2:22:14 AM

Just pull the RJ45 out :p 
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December 14, 2006 6:43:16 PM

A better solution than that? 8O
December 14, 2006 7:00:41 PM

Do you mean somebody is actually watching what you are doing???

Man I hope there aint 100 employees....

Anyway if you are not a local administrator of the computer, there is no way u can kill that process... The only way would be to grant yourself admin rights... It is possible to do but depends on how your cpm/network is setup.
December 14, 2006 7:07:13 PM

Yes there is somebody watchin what im doin...

So there is no program or other way to kill a SYSTEM process? OMG thats bad...

what can I do? I only have like limited rights on the pc...
December 14, 2006 7:21:24 PM

Could you tell us what the process is called?
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December 14, 2006 7:46:13 PM

Bring a firewall and block him!! What kind of evil corporation/institution are you using this at??
December 14, 2006 7:46:25 PM

Every company I have seen that deploys a comercial agent based security policy system considers computer tampering to be a serious offense. Read your employee handbook or any documents you signed when you joined your company. If they have this system deployed, they likely have your signature somewhere stating you will not do any system tampering.

Unless you are trying to get yourself fired, get a free email account with yahoo or hotmail, forward your regular email to it and set up a rule filter to forward your important emails direct to a cell phone as an SMS message.
December 14, 2006 7:54:04 PM

Yes, well this serious company is having me crazy. I use proxyes to get into my email and go to blocked pages but im tired of them. Also, I cant stop the manager from getting into my computer showing a screen saying YOUR ATTENTION IS NEEDED.

This super-secure company/corporation/institution is called school...

There is no way I can get fired cuz the teacher knows I use proxies to get into blocked pages but she just doesnt say anything... however, she knows that I know a lot :p 

Killing this process would make me free from her! GRRR! FREEDOM! I NEED FREEDOM!
December 14, 2006 8:00:02 PM

Not really clear on what you are saying!!!

Are you saying the computer is shared by several users and that the manager checks it occasionally, sees something he doesnt recognise and then switches it off?

Or does he monitor your system remotely and send you a message over the network?

If it is remote monitoring then a simple firewall rule can block the app that is spying.

If it is a shared system and you want to kill your processes then that is something else.
December 14, 2006 8:02:23 PM

Do a live Live boot linux!! I used to do that in high school. It not only freaked out the techs there, but allowed me connect to my home computer and just do work there.
December 14, 2006 8:48:57 PM

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This super-secure company/corporation/institution is called school...


LOL, I assumed corporate environment when I saw "Manager".

You can always try pstools: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities...

It might not work without administrative credentials but it is worth a try.

Why in the world would a school block you from accessing email?

Again, if you have an approved email system, it might be less hassle to just forward to it using an external server.
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December 14, 2006 10:07:04 PM

Find out what port the application is using, and try to block it...
Sometime something as simple as opening a telnet server on your computer using this port and telneting your self on the port will do the trick, be creative =)

Might also be a service, could try stopping it if you got access...
December 15, 2006 12:13:32 AM

Well simple answer:

According to the teachers/administrators and director of the school, it is prohibited to students to access their emails because of unproper material that might be accesed and/or attacks of viruses/spywares/malwares etc.

***So dumb!!!*** what a school!

Well yes here are the details everybody is asking

The Pc's (32 of them) are running in a big room where there is 1 master PC which is the one the teacher uses. She has a program in where she can see everything the students are doing in their computers. If you behave bad or dont follow the rules, she will send you a big screen saying YOUR ATTENTION IS REQUIRED and will block the mouse and keyboard. And if you are the kind of student who will just tell the teacher to go f*ck herself, then she will just send a command to the program installed on your computer to SHUT DOWN the pc.

So here is where my problem comes...

I use proxies to get into my email and sites that are blocked (which Btw is X-Stop) even when the teacher knows hehe. So since many classes ago, we started playing counter-strike (oh yeah) in LAN. And last class I got so angry cuz I screamed and she turned off my pc T_T so since that day (monday) Im trying to find a way to stop that program from running in my PC so whenever she wants to turn it off, she wont be able to do so!

Now here is where you guys help me out and try to revenge against this stupid laws of these kind of schools!

So guys please help me out!

BTW, When I log-in into the PC I have to log-in as a student (which are limited provileges) and I have no access to REGEDIT and no access to MSCONFIG plus no access to BIOS cuz is protected with password.
I will try to find the name of this program so maybe that can help in something...
December 15, 2006 12:37:09 AM

Depends what the program it is they're using. I'm the technician at a State High School and I use a certain program whenever I need to access a remote computer which is not worth walking to, I've also used it to view suspicious students but a few have previously found a way around it, I got them to tell me how they done it by bribing them with not forwarding the issue to my uppers hence getting them expelled, I then fixed the issue which was pretty simple so I would assume that you're school has already done this if they're using the same program although with kid's like you playing the system I would assume they've moved on to something more secure :p .

Just a note to everyone else in the forum, I wouldn't be helping this kid out to much, if he causes some really serious damage or does something highly illegal you'll possibly be an accessory.
December 15, 2006 12:50:35 AM

1. Its not yours. You wanna play with a computer get your own. My tax dollars, which i think are growing exponentially now that the Dems are in control, are paying for this computer to teach children who want to learn.

2. If I knew where you went to school I would forward the teacher a nice tutorial on how to disable proxies at their firewall. The last thing our battered school system needs is to get a virus because you opened up some stupid email off of hotmail or because you just had to check out that new porn movie at school.
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December 15, 2006 1:05:46 AM

No sympathy here. You tried to lie to us. Your teacher is being more charitable than I would have been. I would have given you one warning, then done my best to suspend your computer priviledges.
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December 15, 2006 2:07:31 AM

I send this message to anyone trying to gain access to computers that aren't yours. (this includes people who use their computer for "work". Its not your computer, but your companies/boss.) Even if I knew of a way around that program, I wouldn't give it to you. I don't help people cheat, and you should be doing work/homework on these computers. Now go get back to doing what you should be doing, work.
December 15, 2006 2:18:16 AM

thanks mom...in Europe most US work places would be considered criminal. Possible reason we have to work twice as hard??
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December 15, 2006 3:05:41 AM

Well, then I'm trying to tell people to follow the laws of their country. Over here, he's supposed to be doing school/home work, not surfing websites and playing games. If he was supposed to be doing that, then his teacher wouldn't get upset.
December 15, 2006 3:32:10 AM

Lets just let this thread die and get back to hardware talk. No sense in arguing since no one will change there mind.
December 15, 2006 11:38:36 AM

Quote:
Well simple answer:

According to the teachers/administrators and director of the school, it is prohibited to students to access their emails because of unproper material that might be accesed and/or attacks of viruses/spywares/malwares etc.

***So dumb!!!*** what a school!

Well yes here are the details everybody is asking

The Pc's (32 of them) are running in a big room where there is 1 master PC which is the one the teacher uses. She has a program in where she can see everything the students are doing in their computers. If you behave bad or dont follow the rules, she will send you a big screen saying YOUR ATTENTION IS REQUIRED and will block the mouse and keyboard. And if you are the kind of student who will just tell the teacher to go f*ck herself, then she will just send a command to the program installed on your computer to SHUT DOWN the pc.

So here is where my problem comes...

I use proxies to get into my email and sites that are blocked (which Btw is X-Stop) even when the teacher knows hehe. So since many classes ago, we started playing counter-strike (oh yeah) in LAN. And last class I got so angry cuz I screamed and she turned off my pc T_T so since that day (monday) Im trying to find a way to stop that program from running in my PC so whenever she wants to turn it off, she wont be able to do so!

Now here is where you guys help me out and try to revenge against this stupid laws of these kind of schools!

So guys please help me out!

BTW, When I log-in into the PC I have to log-in as a student (which are limited provileges) and I have no access to REGEDIT and no access to MSCONFIG plus no access to BIOS cuz is protected with password.
I will try to find the name of this program so maybe that can help in something...

Seriously... aren't you supposed to be doing school work at school and not trying to access restricted and blocked sites?
December 15, 2006 6:26:38 PM

First to clarify

For All those of you who say I watch porn or put virus on the Pc, YOU ARE WRONG!

Im not a kid ok? I dont want to hack anything or damage anything. Why would I want to watch porn on school? im not retarded to do so and then get caught and get suspended. So thats not my case if you are wondering.

Second, I dont go to school to play, I do it when the teacher says WE CAN PLAY. and I have my own computer built by myself for those noobs saying that I DONT HAVE A PC AT HOME AND GO TO SCHOOL TO PLAY.

Third, I dont care WHO you are or what you do. If you are gonna reply something "off-topic" then please dont do so. I really dont care how much you write or what you say, you are waisting your time. I came here to get help not a summary of your life or what you do.

Four, Im a person who uses the PC since I was 6 and I learn all this time how to protect myself. Im not a dumb ass that goes into unknown webpages or xxx pages or opens spam mails and get a virus or spyware and then pays $50 to a technician to fix it.

Fifth and LAST, I dont know if you read the title of the topic... im just asking how to kill or close a system process. Is it so hard to say "I really dont know or I cant help"? or just try to answer something that is related to the topic?
Now want the reasons? private message me.
December 15, 2006 7:27:22 PM

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Just pull the RJ45 out :p 


ROFL yeah if you use Novell, pull the ethernet ord out, log into workstation only, then plug it back in to get internet. My old high school still hasn't figured that one out.
December 15, 2006 7:56:45 PM

I don't think this is possible unless there's some system vulnerability.
And no, you can't install a firewall to block that program without admin privileges.
Unless you want to use an external firewall, of course..
December 15, 2006 8:10:57 PM

Then I will try that trick with the RJ45 :D 

It might work... I dont know but Ill have to try. Right now I can only be happy with my 4 working proxies :p 
December 15, 2006 8:21:29 PM

Here's a better idea unplug her/his RJ45 at the beginning of class before she comes in take a small wad of tissue and push it inside the RJ45 port and then plug the cable back in there so it appears to be plugged in but really isn't. If you don't have tissue use paper or a chewing gum wrapper.
December 15, 2006 8:40:28 PM

linux sounds like the way you want to go on a bootable cd unless you can somehow get yourself admin access on your workstation, but I'll say this, if you're not doing anything wrong, why are you worried about someone else watching you? Obviously if your teacher turned off your computer, they didn't approve of what you were doing, so stick to what is approved and live with it. But honestly the last lab i was at, the comps had no usb/firewire/floppy/cd drive to even prevent that. An in addition most of the computers were locked down so that you couldn't pop them open to even try and hook up a cd drive.
December 15, 2006 9:33:47 PM

Funny
but she always stays in her desktop (well most of the time)

Now doing that bootable cd is the best way I think im gonna be able to do "something" but unfortunately as I said before I dont have access to the BIOS and I dont know if the CD-ROM is the first drive in the boot order.

Well and about the rest mapex, if you want details, private message me. I will answer you with the true :) 
December 15, 2006 10:09:35 PM

If you're just trying to access Email and don't have a computer at home, just use one at a public library. It should be free, and I doubt they'd block the Email (probably wouldn't block as many sites either). Finally I doubt they would have an admin on staff.
December 15, 2006 10:11:29 PM

But the problem is that is annoying when you are using the computer checking your email or try to get into sites like about games or even most articles on tomshardware! and the screen shows this YOUR ATTENTION IS REQUIRED! is annoying!
December 16, 2006 12:51:28 AM

Quote:
Hi

***[I know this doesnt belong here but is the only way to get fast answers cuz I need this before friday! sorry!]***


Well here is a little story

I use a computer every 2 days in which there is a program installed and everytime the manager sees something rare or going bad, he would turn off your computer or will block it (with a screen saying your attention required) so 99% of this cases are NOT because something is going on but because me and some friends check our email and thats when this guy blocks the pc's.
So checking on the task manager, impossible to close, there are this 2 or 3 processes that would stop this program from running but I cant close them since they are SYSTEM processes.
Here is where my request for help goes...

Does anybody here know how to KILL this SYSTEM processes? I know some programs out there but most are old or outdated etc Please people I need it before thursday night!!! Help me out!

Well, :roll: if you know what the program is running in the background, you don't always need Admin rights to stop it.

I might be wrong 8O , but if you can access the windows system and/or program files folder, delete the program folder/files of prog known.

Or even the msconfig and Ctrl/Alt/Del method could be a answer. When you finish using the PC, you can reactivate the proc again before exiting.

The admin person might get angry :x if they find someone has been mucking around with the PC :oops: 
December 16, 2006 1:59:37 AM

There's a program called Net Tools, if you find it, and install it on a flash drive, along with any other software that you can think of (like some kind of firewall) then you can play with whatever you want. You can try to take over her computer, or do a UDP flood, or whatever you feel is needed to take out the scanner. There might even be something to disable the process that is running.
December 16, 2006 10:19:50 AM

as mentionned before, if the techncian at that school knows at he is doing, CD and USB boot will be disable, your account will have low privileges and controlled by GPO, etc... no way you can work around that.. Killing processes that arent your own (system, network, ) need admin rights. Deleting files in c:\windows... admin rights... etc...

Unplugging RJ45... well dont think he could read is email then :)  and the teacher woukd know right away.. no feedback comming from PC...
December 16, 2006 10:59:51 AM

Is that program suppose to run while the PC is booting? or will I have to run it on windows?

Well lafontma, I dont have an assigned computer so it doesnt really matter. I can use any in the room (hopefully it helps me so the teacher wont find out)

I will also try to delete files or programs. Well that will have to be done on tuesday.
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