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December 15, 2006 1:07:43 AM

Not firm yet. Been many years.
I believe if I were to build own machine, I would want
AM2 mobo and x2
1g ddr2(800)
vid card, might wait (Dx10), so mobo with onboard vid for now
at least 5.1 sound on board
no oc'ng
no dual vid cards
may install linux later
well rated dvd/cd burner :) 

What of this mobo?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Why ide connectors?
Any plain jane ATXcase, recommended?

value, current needs, etc?

i am looking to spend no more than $800 ($700 hardware) for now? Better vid card later.
Looking for solid(good quality/logical), well built, not cutting edge.

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December 15, 2006 2:16:52 AM

I like AMD too, but an Intel E6300 or E6400 is looking good too. Look at this for a good micro ATX board with video and PCI-E for later expansion & 6 SATA ports ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681... ). Mem maybe OCZ Gold ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682... ).

This is a similar board for AM2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681... and in that case look for the x2 4800 as it seems not to cost too much more than the 4600 for 2M cache rather than 1.

Jo
December 19, 2006 8:40:25 PM

Hello,

Your budget is very tight, and you will have to give up some performance to obtain it. I bought a system for my son that is similar to what you want.

Good case with a good power supply will be 100.00 (Newegg List below)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Category=...

Good motherboard is the AM2 design from ASUS or MSI. I own the ASUS at 141.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Good CPU is the AMD 3800 Singlecore at 96.50. This is not the Windsor, but very close in type. If you can get the Windsor, get that one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Good Memory is the OCZ. I own this memory and it is great. This is 239.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Good Video Card is the XFX Geforce 6800 Xtreme at 135.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Good Hard Drive is the WD 160 Gig w/16 Meg Cache 3/gps 7200 RPM at 64.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

100.00 Case
142.00 Motherboard
097.00 Processor
240.00 Memory
136.00 Video Card
065.00 Hard Disk

780.00 Total

Below are some of the accessories I would consider:
Viewsonic LCD 169.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

If you can handle a monitor (my preference - easier on the eyes and faster) Viewsonic makes a great 19" Optiquest that is very inexpensive.

Sony CD Rom for 49.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

CPU Chip Cooler is about 60.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...

Order an extra case fan.

And we still have not chosen keyboards, mice, portable USB HD, floppy, and many other accessories.

I hope this helps.

Have a wonderful day,
Ralph

LongBeachWalks62@yahoo.com
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December 19, 2006 9:25:30 PM

90 usd AMD Athlon64 3500+ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
56 usd ECS nForce4 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
or 94 usd Asus M2N http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
90 usd 1 Gb DDR2 667 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
75 usd Seagate 250 Gb 16 Mb SataII http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
110 usd evga 7600 GT 110 usd after MIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
160 usd evga 7900 GS 160 usd after MIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

case 25 usd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

PSU 40 usd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
or 55 usd after MIR Antec with PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

LCD
17" 160 usd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
19" 190 usd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

32 usd DVDRW Samsung http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

keyboard & mouse
32 usd Ms optical http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
45 usd Ms optical http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
52 usd Ms laser http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

If you want to chop the video card you can buy a motherboard with onboard video:
90 usd Abit GeForce 6150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Total = 634 + shipping if you choose the motherboard with onboard video and the 17" LCD
December 19, 2006 9:38:30 PM

Don't bother with the 6800 vid card, go with a 7600GT. NO question.

Also, there are other cases that are great and cheaper. Here's a well kept secret, extremely light and good ventilation:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Get some cheap value RAM if you're not overclocking.

Do you need dual core?
December 19, 2006 11:14:01 PM

Hello,

The case is VERY important. Do NOT get a cheap case. The unit will run so much hotter - LOL - I tried many cases before settling on something. Also, I had my 400 Watt Power supply smoke on me because it was too small. I am using a 550 but would never ever get anything less than a 500 watt unit. Also, the unit I suggested has a 500 watt unit already in it. Many cases do NOT come with a power supply.

The video card that I suggested is a 6800 Xtreme. It is a 350 Mhz Core, and 1000 Mhz Memory speed with 256 bit access and 8 pipes. The Tom rating is 91.

The video card that is the 7600 is 400 Mhz Core, and (at best) 500 Mhz Memory speed with 128 bit access and 12 pipes. This is the only one that New egg is currently have in stock. Tom rating is below 70.

You would need over 16 pipes while running software.

The best 7600 is 94 or 95 which is so much more expensive and very difficult to get.

In raw testing, the CPU can work on just feeding the video card. In raw tests, the cards are extremely close in ratings. The 6800 is easier on the CPU and I think works better in the real world. The 6800 has been around for years, and has never lost value - Why?

If you choose to buy the top of the line 7600, you will not be dissatisfied - it is a great card too.

Good Luck in your search.

Have a wonderful day,
Ralph
December 20, 2006 1:12:07 AM

Quote:
Not firm yet. Been many years.
I believe if I were to build own machine, I would want
AM2 mobo and x2
1g ddr2(800)
vid card, might wait (Dx10), so mobo with onboard vid for now
at least 5.1 sound on board
no oc'ng
no dual vid cards
may install linux later
well rated dvd/cd burner :) 

What of this mobo?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Why ide connectors?
Any plain jane ATXcase, recommended?

value, current needs, etc?

i am looking to spend no more than $800 ($700 hardware) for now? Better vid card later.
Looking for solid(good quality/logical), well built, not cutting edge.

AM2 are good, but E6300 is better, then again they are all OK.

Not a easy choice, but better to go the E6300 way or after you build the PC, you might regret it :cry: 
December 20, 2006 1:00:09 PM

You can get that sort of setup ready-made from Dell (of course youll want to reformat and reinstall when you get it to clean out all the crap they put in). Recently I bought a PC from Dell with this setup:

Dimension E521:
-AMD X2 3800+ Dual Core 2GHz Processor
-nForce 430 Motherboard (AM2, Integrated GeForce 6150 LE GPU, Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio)
-1GB (2x512) DDR2 533MHz RAM
-160GB 7200RPM SATA HDD
-16x48x16 DVD-ROM/CD-RW Optical Drive
-305W Dell PSU
-17 inch LCD FlatScreen Monitor
-Standard Keyboard and Mouse
-No speakers

All for under $600 including tax (shipping was free). Case is mid-size, but sleak, and she runs silent most of the time.

I got a pair of basic but quality speakers for $10 off tigerdirect, a $70 500W PSU for $30 from MicroCenter to support future upgrades, a $60-$70 Wireless NIC card for under $30 with shipping from Amazon.com, and a GeForce 7300 LE for $30 from CompUSA to hold me over until some more mainstream DX10 cards hit the market. Right now Im still looking for a decent wireless desktop w/rechargeable mouse, but figure Ill wait till the post-Christmas deals.

Unfortunately the deal that I got from Dell no longer exists (they change deals and setups once a week it seems). But you can get a similar setup (with the next step up in AMD Dual Core chips and a free inket printer) for $700 pre-tax (and I think they're still doing free shipping). After doing a lot of shopping around, I thought Dell was the best deal in town, even better than buying barebone. This is especially so when you consider that you get a free upgrade to Windows Vista Premium shipping to your house upon release, a ~$200 value.
January 1, 2007 12:07:20 AM

(Hopefully in thread)

Still chking around. I am looking for value, not cutting edge components. I may :lol:  need to adjust a little bit upwards. And yeah, all the Dell's and HP's come with a ton of crapware I really would need to take off.
January 1, 2007 4:46:20 AM

just buy a dell, if you need a cheap computer.
January 1, 2007 3:49:41 PM

Want a computer that can be upgraded later. Less money initially.

So far:
GIGABYTE GA-M55SLI-S4 ---- SLI and ATX. $80
AMD 64 x2 4800 ---- made sense $240
WD2000JS $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822144416
1gig G.Skill mem pc800 $130 (only part whose price was a bit of a shock)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820231088
eVGA 7600GT W 256mb $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130062
CASE (PSU) NEEDS TO BE CHANGED?
GIGABYTE CASE $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811233011
DVD burner, oem $30 bucks

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I like the plain simply case. 12v1 14a, 12v2 16a, 5v25a, 5vSB 2.5a, 3.3v 18a, and 12v .3a This wont due. Any case similar to this; or easy enough to switch in 450/500 watt supply?
I choose mobo above over GIGABYTE GA-M61PM-S2 since MicroATX. Most cases for MicroATX don't have many bays (5.25 or 3.5). Also, more slots, and SLI ready, if needed, and same price.
Vid card seems best price/value. There are some rebates going on at Newegg for I think better cards, but never trusted rebates too much.
Yeah 1 DDR2, dual channel. Pick up another gig later, when they drop a little.

Current Total is at 700-800 dollar range.
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