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dratsabizan   06-08-2008 at 12:30:33 AM

A friend of mine asked me today,If you were to hover at say 10,000ft. for 3 hours, Would you come back down in the spot you went up at? My first thought would be no! But again I am no expert. My logic behind that is, If you are hovering in the air and the earth is rotating wouldn't you be in a different spot if while in the air if you didn't move? Or does the helicopter you are in move with the atmosphere because of gravitational pull! Hence you would be in the same spot. Thoughts please.

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dwellman   06-08-2008 at 12:43:54 AM
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Intelligent? Surely you jest.. All claim to knowledge and wisdom is checked at the door to the illustrious Other (some have an easier time with that than most, like reyknob, as he's always been the proverbial small fries short of a Happy Meal).

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exit2dos   06-08-2008 at 12:56:04 AM
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Merriam-Webster defines "hover" as "to remain suspended over a place or object". So, if you came back down in a different spot, you weren't really hovering to begin with.



..*Feels hungry.*..

..*Looks around for the missing fries.*..

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dwellman   06-08-2008 at 01:01:14 AM
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Nevermind, I could resist also taking a stab at the answer:

The reason your position would stay relative to a point on the ground has much to do with angular momentum and gravity-- conservation of angular momentum, to be more specific. In order for you to hover at a stationary point unrelated to a point on the earth-- 10,000 feet below in your example-- you would have to impart enough force to 1) counteract the angular momentum genrated by the earth's spin (enough to stop it from spinning, really) and / or 2) be free of earth's gravitational pull.

Its the same concept as you being on a plane flying straight and level. If you could throw a ball straight into the air it will come down at relatively the same point-- because the ball in its relative potential state is moving at the same velocity as the plane.

Damn this genius level IQ. . .


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dratsabizan   06-08-2008 at 01:08:47 AM
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So you would come down in the same spot.

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exit2dos   06-08-2008 at 01:09:20 AM
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Ahhhh, so you're saying that a five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut?

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dwellman   06-08-2008 at 03:55:52 AM
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Perhaps two sparrows carrying it together


Yes, you would come down at the same "spot".

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reynod   06-08-2008 at 04:34:40 AM
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I concur with dwell angle ... he knows whats best for me.

*slaps self before others start*

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Tom_Smart   06-08-2008 at 07:00:48 AM
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Ten thousand feet, three hours. Not high enough, not long enough.

***goes out snorting coke from hooker's arses with Bomber***

Now that's high enough.

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zpyrd   06-08-2008 at 10:01:51 AM
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Wanders in...wonders for a moment...decided to take another nap.

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reynod   06-08-2008 at 11:20:11 AM
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typical ... never wanders past topless eh??

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_WW_   06-08-2008 at 02:30:49 PM
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All intelligent people



Oops! I seem to be in the wrong place...how did I get here? What happened?
Have any of you seen my pet frog or my blue socks?
I stayed up through nap time...
I'm gonna go play in the dirt now...

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zpyrd   06-08-2008 at 09:37:07 PM
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Throws sand at _WW_

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Evilonigiri   06-08-2008 at 10:53:27 PM
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*Stares at zyprd's avatits*

...Wuh?

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exit2dos   06-08-2008 at 11:15:56 PM
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dwellman wrote :

*Hovers above it all*


Fixed.

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_WW_   06-09-2008 at 02:09:26 PM
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..*makes dirt replicas of the tit guys avatar*..

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JustPlainJef   06-09-2008 at 02:44:41 PM
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dwellman wrote :

Intelligent? Surely you jest.. All claim to knowledge and wisdom is checked at the door to the illustrious Other (some have an esier time with that than most, like reyknob, as he's always bee the proverbial small fries short of a Happy Meal).


It cracks me up when posts questioning the intelligence of another is riddled with spelling and grammar mistakes...

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llama_man   06-09-2008 at 02:46:50 PM
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JustPlainJef wrote :

It cracks me up when posts questioning the intelligence of another is riddled with spelling and grammar mistakes...


It cracks me up when posts questioning the intelligence of another are riddled with spelling and grammar mistakes...

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WingDing   06-09-2008 at 02:51:47 PM
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It cracks me up when Hulk Hogan rides me like a bucking bronco.

..oh....er....sorry.... :(

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dwellman   06-09-2008 at 03:11:41 PM
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JustPlainJef wrote :

It cracks me up when posts questioning the intelligence of another is riddled with spelling and grammar mistakes...

Exactly, my point. To wit:

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Intelligent? Surely you jest.... All claim to knowledge and wisdom is checked at the door to the illustrious Other (some have an easier time with that than most: like reyknob Jef, as he's always been the proverbial small fries short of a Happy Meal).

Fixed.

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JustPlainJef   06-09-2008 at 04:01:19 PM
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llama_man wrote :

It cracks me up when posts questioning the intelligence of another are riddled with spelling and grammar mistakes...


Touche!

See, I still have more to learn from the master!

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_WW_   06-10-2008 at 02:02:05 PM
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..*dons Hulk Hogan costume*..

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WingDing   06-10-2008 at 02:37:53 PM
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Hogan knows best...

...*faggy smirk*...

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reynod   06-10-2008 at 03:55:48 PM
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dwellman ... I found a good program for you ... its local too !!

http://www.crossville.tec.tn.us/2/WorkEthics.htm

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Ninjahedge   06-11-2008 at 03:50:30 PM
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Hover is a relative term.

It is not a question of angular momentum, because if you jumped strait out from the surface in an airless worls, you would eventually lag behind due to your travel speed concentric with the surface of the planet would remain the same, but the distaance you would NEED to caver in that time to remain at the same angular coordinate (using polar coordinates) would need to be greater.

So, in the simplistic idea of hover one of two things would happen.

1. You really would not be hovering since you would be moving in relation to the thing you were "hovering" over (as per my jump example)

2. You actually impart a slight additional angular velocity to your self/ship/helecopter to keep you over a stationary target. This would also be helped or hindered by the air around you and its relative motion.

The question is poorly phrased and means to twist your perception of physical space but its definition is too precise and ruins its original intent (next time do not use "hover" to describe what you are doing).

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dwellman   06-11-2008 at 05:45:54 PM
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Well. . the discussion of conservation of angular mamentum becomes depends on the discussion of the affect of gravity.

I'm not parsing the atmospheric density variable-- I don't think its pertinient.

Where's that dang space elevator when you need one?

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Tom_Smart   06-11-2008 at 06:54:58 PM
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***swings lump hammer and imparts angular momentum to Ninja's head***

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Ninjahedge   06-11-2008 at 08:28:30 PM
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Tom, your angular momentum has no point.

Use a pickaxe next time.


Dwell, gravity would have no effect on the angular momentum since it only effects the radial vector of motion. You have one component, your angular velocity (and momentyum being MV) and your axial velocity, being zero if you are standing at the same elevatio/not ascending or descending along a gravitational line.

I believe that even Gravitational Slingshots depend on relative motion between the bodies involved (Grabbing some speed by hooking on a planet moving by you, not by its gravitational well. THAT energy is lost when you climb back out of the well, but the additional oomph from the difference in velocities of the planet and the object is kept).

Anyway, it does not really matter. Like I said, the use of the term "hover" ruins the question.

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exit2dos   06-11-2008 at 09:10:00 PM
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I was going to make an angular momentum comment, but then I thought I should just conserve it.

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zpyrd   06-12-2008 at 02:23:52 AM
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I like the word "geostationary".

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JustPlainJef   06-12-2008 at 12:55:18 PM
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I'm sorry, what? I was staring at Zpyrd's avatits.

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reynod   06-12-2008 at 02:01:45 PM
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*temporarily averts eyes to engage brain*

http://www.thefinaltheory.com/imag [...] pter_1.pdf

Nice read here.

*drooling resumed*

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Ninjahedge   06-12-2008 at 03:47:29 PM
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exit2dos wrote :

I was going to make an angular momentum comment, but then I thought I should just conserve it.

 

That would put an interesting spin on things.

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BomberBill   06-13-2008 at 08:20:44 PM
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dratsabizan wrote :

A friend of mine asked me today,If you were to hover at say 10,000ft. for 3 hours, Would you come back down in the spot you went up at? My first thought would be no! But again I am no expert. My logic behind that is, If you are hovering in the air and the earth is rotating wouldn't you be in a different spot if while in the air if you didn't move? Or does the helicopter you are in move with the atmosphere because of gravitational pull! Hence you would be in the same spot. Thoughts please.



You epitomize the notion of: "being a c*nt"

Have a nice, flying day.

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Ninjahedge   06-16-2008 at 08:16:00 PM
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No he doesn't.









I like c*nts. ;)

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mugz   06-18-2008 at 04:39:25 PM
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So do I, especially when an innocent, virginal nursing student is part of the package.

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BomberBill   06-20-2008 at 05:36:18 PM
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Ninjahedge wrote :

No he doesn't.









I like c*nts. ;)



ROFL! NH. In the pre-feminist, ultra-masculine approach to the phrase, yes, I can see your point :D

But, however, this joker most surely represents a type of c*nt-like behaviour that is dissimilar to what you and I are actually thinking with regards to ladies' pussies.

Surely.

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Ninjahedge   06-20-2008 at 07:04:08 PM
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Meow.

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BomberBill   06-20-2008 at 07:20:20 PM
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Meow indeed!


:D

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mugz   06-23-2008 at 11:54:57 AM
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I like cats. Especially when they can be trained to jump off the fridge and attach themselves to someone's scalp.

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dihydroman   09-25-2008 at 08:08:34 PM
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Well this isn't an ideal situation. Angular momentum wouldn't hold you through the jet streams. And you would die!!!

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JustPlainJef   09-25-2008 at 08:19:33 PM
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Quit necroposting and fcuk off please.

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Ninjahedge   09-25-2008 at 09:53:11 PM
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Careful!

He has not been born yet!!!!

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