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December 15, 2006 9:00:13 PM

Hi

Im looking for the best LCD monitor HDCP-enabled. Im looking for something between 22" and 24" inches. But here is the list of the features im looking for...

I want something with 8ms or lower, 1600x1200 or more, contrast 600:1 or more and HDCP and HDMI enabled.

Doesnt matter if it has USB or not, or if it is widescreen or not, or if it has an ipod dock (lol). It just need to have those features.

Also, has to be BenQ, Samsung, Viewsonic, Dell or Sony.

Any ideas??????????

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December 16, 2006 5:01:33 AM

Sorry son. Samsung, Sony, and Viewsonic don't make a 22-24 inch LCD w/ all the features you're looking for. But don't get sold on brand, many of the name brands use the exact same panels as the off brands. You might be able to find similar sized HDTV's w/ those requirements, but you'll pay a whole lot more for it.

I strongly suggest you consider this panel. It has everything you need and Sceptre has been around a looong time in displays. Longer than BenQ and Samsung.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

If you really want BenQ, here's a good 24 incher with all the requirements you need.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
December 16, 2006 11:05:20 AM

Hey mpjesse I really like that SCEPTRE! Looks cool!

But in the other side, that BenQ looks cool too but unforutnately has 16ms and is WAY too expensive.
That Sceptre has impressed me... If someday I buy it, I hope to have a good experience with them.

By the way, 300 ms/2 contrast... is that bad?
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December 17, 2006 3:41:26 AM

Have you looked into the Dell 24"?

I heard it is supposed to be pretty darn good.
December 17, 2006 3:49:43 AM

Yes, but I think the price was kinda high...

***EDIT: the contrast is low, and the specs are very low compared to the SCEPTREC.

I really like that Sceptrec though, there is a new 24" coming soon but is gonna be $500 which is way too high.
December 17, 2006 4:06:26 AM

No it is going to be $600, so I heard.
December 17, 2006 4:07:11 AM

I wont pass the $380 barrier. Sorry
December 17, 2006 4:53:00 AM

I want a Mercedes, or a Ferrari... But I have only enough to buy a VW.... Does that about sum it up?
December 17, 2006 1:41:14 PM

I dont really think spending more than $400 is worth it.

(unless your pockets are really burning with money)
December 18, 2006 1:07:39 PM

The samsung 225bw would be my choice, hard to beat at under $400US.
December 18, 2006 1:43:37 PM

i have the Dell 24" widescreen, and it is beautiful. only payed $700 for it but it 'll be my last monitor for atleast 3yrs thanks to warranty.

HDCP, 9-in-2 card reader, 4 USB ports, component inputs, composite inputs, s-video, vga, and dvi, 1000:1 contrast. Most reviews have it pegged between 8-12ms response but playing fear, oblivion, and battlefield at 1920x1200 i don't notice really any ghosting at all or color blanding, which is common on all screens before the A3 revision which is what all of them are now. Also i can do 1:1 scaling something early A3's couldn't do.

Also this screen is bright, very bright, i actually had to turn down the brightness b/c everything was shiny like oblivion on my desktop.

But giving your unwillingness to go over 400 and your demand of specs you should just remove 24" and ask for the best 22" non-widescreen, b/c thats all your gonna find unless theres one helluva sale

EDIT:
p.s. from what i understand Samsung supplies dell and gateway with LCD panels, and let them design and make there own styles why the features vary, but not performance and specs
December 18, 2006 1:59:46 PM

I also have the Samsung 225BW, and I have to say it's a great monitor. It's one of the few 22" widescreen's with HDCP enabled, and it also has full tilt, swivel and height adjustments. Also, it's a Samsung monitor so you know it's going to be top in quality. Had it since Black Friday (Bought if for 300 US) and it's been working great. A huge step up from my old Dell 17".

But if you were going to buy, might want to wait a bit. LCD prices are fairly dropping like rocks, and if this investigation into LCD price fixing comes out, you can be sure they will drop even more.

But like I say, for 22", the Samsung is the best choice (Out of the Spectre, Viewsonic, and Acer that I also looked at)
December 18, 2006 6:51:19 PM

Hmm well here are some details I DID NOT like

contrast ratio is 280 compared to the Sceptrec is 300.

Contrast ratio is 700:1 compared to the Sceptrec which is 1000:1

Last and most important... where is the DMI port? I want to be able to go 1080p!

I know is samsung and all that stuff, but if for the same price I can get something better why no? All the reviews of the sceptrec in the newegg site are positive... so far
December 18, 2006 6:59:02 PM

HDMI isn't required to go 1080p.

All an HDMI cable is, is a DVI cable with the audio line built in, and uses a different connector. If you have an HDMI source or have something that requires HDMI cable there are DVI to HDMI and HDMI to DVI converters out there, so don't let the absence of HDMI turn you away. For a computer monitor you won't find many with HDMI plugs until our video cards can produce audio too, which will be happening sometime in 2007 or 2008i imagine.
December 18, 2006 9:32:11 PM

Well I still think the Sceptrec is a good choice.

If you find any Samsung with the same features of the Sceptrec, I would really like to hear it...
December 18, 2006 10:27:01 PM

I believe that Sceptre uses the same 22" wide panel as my Acer. BenQ, Samsung and I think Viewsonic all have monitors with the same panel. So if you go with Sceptre for the additional features, the panel should be fine at least. If they have a 1 year+ warranty, they are probably fine to go with.
December 18, 2006 10:30:32 PM

I really like it, I think im going with that one.

Thanks mpjesse (barney lover)
January 1, 2007 9:54:56 PM

i just ordered the Sceptre and it is coming in the mail..........i am kinda questioning if i should have done that because ///// after the picture i saw and the review.................it has a couple advantages but the back like bleeding is a biggg disadvantage..........and the stand is supposely useless .........but when i get it i will have to see for my self
January 2, 2007 3:05:26 AM

Well I was really really close to get it. Went to the sceptre site, found out that there was a 24" one coming :p 

Contacted customer support, its coming on early 2007 :D  so Ill just wait :D 
January 12, 2007 12:23:58 AM

Did they list a price or a specific month?

I am planning on upgrading to either a 22 or 24" monitor.

My question, which you have neglected to mention is whether or not there is a big difference between 1920x1200 and 1680x1050 resolution?
January 12, 2007 12:33:23 AM

The difference between 1920x1200 and 1680x1050 resolutions is about 240 horizontal pixels and 150 vertical pixels. So I would say the difference is equal to about 2 diagonal inches in screen space.
January 12, 2007 12:37:56 AM

They didnt tell me a price or month. Only Beg 2007

Once is out, Ill try to get it cuz looks sexy. And I prefer to get 1920x because 1650 will become an standard (is a standard to most gamers) very soon.
January 12, 2007 12:57:33 AM

Yeah I want 1920x1200 badly also, yet don't want to fork of 700 to pick up a Dell.

I think I could live with a 500 dollar price on the Sceptre though.
January 12, 2007 1:09:57 AM

@crazypro

"you have an HDMI source or have something that requires HDMI cable there are DVI to HDMI and HDMI to DVI converters out there, so don't let the absence of HDMI turn you away"

If using the HDMI output from say a HD-DVD player using a converter to input via DVI to your TV, does that converter usually split off an audio jack as well? Or do you lose the HDMI audio out and have to resort to optical or coax?

Thanks
January 12, 2007 10:46:39 AM

Big up for the Dell 2407 WFP.

Got mine a month ago and am well pleased. :D 

Image is great, connectivity DVI, VGA AND Component and USB hub with a card reader built in.

Mounted on a Ergotron desk arm, convenient and functional.

Just look at that Oblivion go @ 1920 x 1200.
January 12, 2007 5:52:50 PM

We all know the dell 24" is an amazing monitor. However, most of use are not willing to fork over 700 bucks for it.
January 12, 2007 6:25:03 PM

Quote:
Hi

Im looking for the best LCD monitor HDCP-enabled. Im looking for something between 22" and 24" inches. But here is the list of the features im looking for...

I want something with 8ms or lower, 1600x1200 or more, contrast 600:1 or more and HDCP and HDMI enabled.

Doesnt matter if it has USB or not, or if it is widescreen or not, or if it has an ipod dock (lol). It just need to have those features.

Also, has to be BenQ, Samsung, Viewsonic, Dell or Sony.

Any ideas??????????

I now we have different thoughts on zalman, but know I am really trying to help you, so check these out
Here are the best deals on the market right now
Amazing deal right here, I would buy it myself if I had the cash :cry: 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
and here is the hdcp 20.1" at a nice rate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
not too many out there right now
my other favorite, though kinda pricey compared to the others
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
and the only worthwhile hdcp moniter in the range you wanted-
there is none :cry: 
and for a bit more
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Well forget about the zalman topic. Now talking about the monitors, Im going with Sceptre. It has everything I need and Im waiting for the 24" since the 20" wouldnt be a good upgrade from my Viewsonic VX922 2ms 19".

Dell, well is way too expensive :( 
January 12, 2007 6:29:12 PM

I am waiting eagerly for the Sceptre 24" model also. Looks like it has amazing specs for hopefully a great price!
January 12, 2007 6:46:06 PM

Flooge03, if for some reason you find out is available, let me know ;) 

I_love_tacos, I dont want HP or Acer. I kinda want to stick with some brands and if anything goes wrong Ill try others but Sceptre for now.

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Which Dell? I only posted two accer's, a scpetre and an hp.


The dell that everybody is talking about, even a good 22" is $500 I think. Way too much[/code]
January 12, 2007 7:08:06 PM

If you are looking for the best, consider the samsung 244t.
HDCP
6ms
1000:1
1920x1200
24"
$859
Be prepared to pay more for what you will be looking at for a long time.
January 12, 2007 7:25:47 PM

Quote:
The difference between 1920x1200 and 1680x1050 resolutions is about 240 horizontal pixels and 150 vertical pixels. So I would say the difference is equal to about 2 diagonal inches in screen space.


:p  Very well put.
January 12, 2007 7:37:23 PM

Quote:
Nice monitor, not acceptable price, if he turned down a very nice 24" for only $630, what makes an $850 monitor affordable?


I wish I knew the answer. Personally I can't figure out why I think the 3007 is more affordable than the 2407 at almost double the price. :? (Cause it's a good sized TV maybe?) But geofelt did have some really good advice.

Quote:
Be prepared to pay more for what you will be looking at for a long time.
January 12, 2007 8:28:09 PM

Quote:
The difference between 1920x1200 and 1680x1050 resolutions is about 240 horizontal pixels and 150 vertical pixels. So I would say the difference is equal to about 2 diagonal inches in screen space.


:p  Very well put.

Yeah. You can never make up for less resolution. At least 1080p. 1920x1200 is a huge resolution!
January 12, 2007 8:38:16 PM

With Dell announcing a 27" model we may see there 24" monitor drop in price i can't speculate on how much of a drop or anything but eh i guess it all depends on your patience.

i love my 1920x1200 resolution :mrgreen:
January 12, 2007 8:50:23 PM

I just ordered the 2407 a couple days ago. It's currenlty down to $675, which is still too much for some people. :? The 27" is also available, but at $1400, which makes it $125 more than the 30". See what I mean about the 30" seeming affordable?

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January 14, 2007 8:49:53 PM

Ha, I wish I could afford that 8)
January 14, 2007 9:11:25 PM

just save a lil cash... itll be worth it... for what 100 bucks more??
January 14, 2007 9:18:14 PM

Some people can, others see it as way too much, it depends on how important you see your screen as part of your rig.

Personally, I really think that $400-$450 for a 24" screen with HDMI and HDCP, 8ms, 1000:1 contrast, 500m/c2 bright is perfect.

EDIT: Personally, I really think that $400-$450 for a 24" screen with HDMI and HDCP, 8ms, 1000:1 contrast, 500m/c2 bright is perfect. I forgot to mention that it also supports 1920x1200, yes you guessed the Sceptre x24wg that I mentioned before.
January 14, 2007 9:33:47 PM

Everyone is talking like all the 22" and 24" are made equal... so what if some of them use the same panel. I bought the Samsung 225BW and the Dell E228WFP and I'm keeping the Samsung even though it was more expensive. Better stand, 8bit vs 6bit (the 225BW is the only 8bit under $500 out right now) and much less bleeding...

The Dell could almost light up my computer room when it had a black screen due to the bleeding at the top and left side.... very shitty when you're watching movies.

Samsung is one of the the world leaders in making panels.. so they make their own panels and some of the best monitors available from those panels... If I have to pay a premium for that then I will, it's also why I own a Japanese car over American cars (they can have similar performance as well right? Build quality is another matter).
January 14, 2007 9:58:35 PM

Quote:
Sorry son. Samsung, Sony, and Viewsonic don't make a 22-24 inch LCD w/ all the features you're looking for. But don't get sold on brand, many of the name brands use the exact same panels as the off brands. You might be able to find similar sized HDTV's w/ those requirements, but you'll pay a whole lot more for it.

I strongly suggest you consider this panel. It has everything you need and Sceptre has been around a looong time in displays. Longer than BenQ and Samsung.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

If you really want BenQ, here's a good 24 incher with all the requirements you need.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...


Get the dell 2407fpw. $674. 24" 1920x1200 It uses a samsung panel and has dhcp.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c...
January 14, 2007 11:22:05 PM

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That's gonna be hard to find. 22", maybe, but not worth the upgrade over a 19". Only 23 or 24 with the massive 1920*1200 resolutions would be worth the upgrade


Well I forgot to mention that, it supports up to 1920x1200. And NO is not very hard to find cuz as I mentioned before, Sceptre is about to release it.
January 15, 2007 1:06:47 AM

Exactly, specially that HDMI port, I love that detail ;) 
January 15, 2007 3:02:00 AM

Why would a monitor need dhcp???
January 15, 2007 3:47:16 AM

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Why would a monitor need dhcp???


HDCP (High Definition Copy Protection) is a new method of encrypting the digital (DVI) signal between the origin of the signal (receiver) and the display device.

Microsoft intends to support HD DVD and video on all its current operating systems, including Windows Vista. MS is building support for HDCP into the operating system as part of its suite of DRM abilities called Output Content Protection Management (OCPM).

If you intend to install a Blu-Ray or HD DVD drive to watch movies in that format, then you will need HDCP. The same thing goes for HDTV.
January 15, 2007 4:10:31 AM

So niz just made a typo...
January 15, 2007 4:37:46 AM

Quote:
So niz just made a typo...


Yep, unless the monitor will somehow using DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol) to allow the PC to connect over the internet.
January 15, 2007 4:52:49 AM

So now let's get into the various merits of HDCP... Or lack thereof.
January 15, 2007 4:53:46 AM

Quote:
Why would a monitor need dhcp???


HDCP (High Definition Copy Protection) is a new method of encrypting the digital (DVI) signal between the origin of the signal (receiver) and the display device.

Microsoft intends to support HD DVD and video on all its current operating systems, including Windows Vista. MS is building support for HDCP into the operating system as part of its suite of DRM abilities called Output Content Protection Management (OCPM).

If you intend to install a Blu-Ray or HD DVD drive to watch movies in that format, then you will need HDCP. The same thing goes for HDTV.

I hope this all can be cracked. I realy hate that bullshit. I cant watch HCDP movie on my 22" trinitron just because its not "digital".

To hell with DRM, HDCP and other copyright shit that deters me.

Will they ever realize that no matter how hard they try, that there will be workarounds and cracks?
January 15, 2007 2:57:30 PM

Quote:
enjoy

PS, you mind getting me one? :lol: 

Would be a very nice thank you for being the best friend I can


Thx, I will do enjoy it once I get it :) 

For now, I cant afford to be giving free screens to everybody, but hey, maybe Ill win the lotto and I might be able to do so 8)

Croc, HDCP is something that you need to look for if you are planning to buy a screen. If it doesnt have HDCP, 3-words, DONT BUY IT!!!
I feel you, I also hate that my ViewSonic 19" 2ms screen doesnt support HDCP :evil: 

Finally, I would like to dedicate a word to the creators of DRM and HDCP...

*****F*CKERS*****

Better now :D 
!