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seems like I read a earlier post about the v551 seeing Cingular AND Att
towers as"home" where as the v400
and v600 only see the Cingular towers as home
any info will be much appreciated
 
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In article <rK2dnVUpvI0HWi3cRVn-pA@centurytel.net>,
"TIM CAMPBELL" <timcampbell@roncampbellford.com> wrote:

> seems like I read a earlier post about the v551 seeing Cingular AND Att
> towers as"home" where as the v400
> and v600 only see the Cingular towers as home
> any info will be much appreciated

If you have the new 64K Sim it wont matter. If you have an older 32K
sim, it depends whether you have an AT&T phone & Sim; or a Cingular
phopne & Sim
 
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I have Cingular phone w/32k Cingular sim
"Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> In article <rK2dnVUpvI0HWi3cRVn-pA@centurytel.net>,
> "TIM CAMPBELL" <timcampbell@roncampbellford.com> wrote:
>
>> seems like I read a earlier post about the v551 seeing Cingular AND Att
>> towers as"home" where as the v400
>> and v600 only see the Cingular towers as home
>> any info will be much appreciated
>
> If you have the new 64K Sim it wont matter. If you have an older 32K
> sim, it depends whether you have an AT&T phone & Sim; or a Cingular
> phopne & Sim
 
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On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:51:04 -0600, "TIM CAMPBELL"
<timcampbell@roncampbellford.com> said in alt.cellular.cingular:

>I have Cingular phone w/32k Cingular sim

In order to use the expanded system, at this time, (according to
Cingular) you need a 64k SIM. Exactly what that means with each phone
depends on who you ask.

It's taken Verizon a few years and they still haven't finished
"integrating" all the parts, so I don't think we'll see a
single-company Cingular all that soon.
 
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I have a 32K Sim. How do I go about exchanging it for a 64K Sim?

"Al Klein" <rukbat@verizon.org> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:51:04 -0600, "TIM CAMPBELL"
> <timcampbell@roncampbellford.com> said in alt.cellular.cingular:
>
> >I have Cingular phone w/32k Cingular sim
>
> In order to use the expanded system, at this time, (according to
> Cingular) you need a 64k SIM. Exactly what that means with each phone
> depends on who you ask.
>
> It's taken Verizon a few years and they still haven't finished
> "integrating" all the parts, so I don't think we'll see a
> single-company Cingular all that soon.
 
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Then you will Home on Cingular, and roam freely on ATTWS when (and only when)
there isn't a usable Cingular signal, even where the ATTWS signal is better.

In <4c2dnUF7ObBaQi3cRVn-qQ@centurytel.net> on Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:51:04 -0600,
"TIM CAMPBELL" <timcampbell@roncampbellford.com> wrote:

>I have Cingular phone w/32k Cingular sim
>"Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:jzwick3-677469.15360303122004@news1.east.earthlink.net...
>> In article <rK2dnVUpvI0HWi3cRVn-pA@centurytel.net>,
>> "TIM CAMPBELL" <timcampbell@roncampbellford.com> wrote:
>>
>>> seems like I read a earlier post about the v551 seeing Cingular AND Att
>>> towers as"home" where as the v400
>>> and v600 only see the Cingular towers as home
>>> any info will be much appreciated
>>
>> If you have the new 64K Sim it wont matter. If you have an older 32K
>> sim, it depends whether you have an AT&T phone & Sim; or a Cingular
>> phopne & Sim
>

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With all respect to Al, a new SIM isn't needed to get the benefits of both
networks -- all Cingular subscribers can now roam freely on ATTWS, and vice
versa. The only issue is that your Home network will always be selected when
there is a "usable" Home signal, even when the other network has a better
signal, but that's not generally a problem in practice. The new SIM addresses
the issue by treating the two networks as one virtual Home network, but only
with a handset that supports ENS.

In <u0bsd.2963$714.2609@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> on Sat, 04 Dec 2004
04:27:06 GMT, "DonR" <drennard@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I have a 32K Sim. How do I go about exchanging it for a 64K Sim?
>
>"Al Klein" <rukbat@verizon.org> wrote in message
>news:mj82r013astqarel4b4hphmhtvun2sm8m4@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:51:04 -0600, "TIM CAMPBELL"
>> <timcampbell@roncampbellford.com> said in alt.cellular.cingular:
>>
>> >I have Cingular phone w/32k Cingular sim
>>
>> In order to use the expanded system, at this time, (according to
>> Cingular) you need a 64k SIM. Exactly what that means with each phone
>> depends on who you ask.
>>
>> It's taken Verizon a few years and they still haven't finished
>> "integrating" all the parts, so I don't think we'll see a
>> single-company Cingular all that soon.

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John Navas wrote:

> With all respect to Al, a new SIM isn't needed to get the benefits of both
> networks -- all Cingular subscribers can now roam freely on ATTWS, and vice
> versa. The only issue is that your Home network will always be selected when
> there is a "usable" Home signal, even when the other network has a better
> signal, but that's not generally a problem in practice. The new SIM addresses
> the issue by treating the two networks as one virtual Home network, but only
> with a handset that supports ENS.
>

A friend rang up a while ago and asked me... "I picked up a new V551
for my wife last week, and I'm curious if it has this "ENS"
functionality? or is this something I need to deal with as a separate
issue?" I'm clueless about ENS, so maybe you or someone can offer a
better answer.


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Jer wrote:
> John Navas wrote:
>
>> With all respect to Al, a new SIM isn't needed to get the benefits of
>> both
>> networks -- all Cingular subscribers can now roam freely on ATTWS, and
>> vice
>> versa. The only issue is that your Home network will always be
>> selected when
>> there is a "usable" Home signal, even when the other network has a better
>> signal, but that's not generally a problem in practice. The new SIM
>> addresses
>> the issue by treating the two networks as one virtual Home network,
>> but only
>> with a handset that supports ENS.
>>
>
> A friend rang up a while ago and asked me... "I picked up a new V551
> for my wife last week, and I'm curious if it has this "ENS"
> functionality? or is this something I need to deal with as a separate
> issue?" I'm clueless about ENS, so maybe you or someone can offer a
> better answer.
>
>


Sounds like all SIMs sent out after 11/15 should have them...

http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/492681-1.html
 
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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:16:52 GMT, John Navas
<spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>With all respect to Al, a new SIM isn't needed to get the benefits of both
>networks -- all Cingular subscribers can now roam freely on ATTWS, and vice
>versa. The only issue is that your Home network will always be selected when
>there is a "usable" Home signal, even when the other network has a better
>signal, but that's not generally a problem in practice. The new SIM addresses
>the issue by treating the two networks as one virtual Home network, but only
>with a handset that supports ENS.

They why, John, does my v551 with the new SIM, at my home, fail to
lock onto the much stronger signal that AT&T GSM has available? The
very same phone with an AT&T SIM card gets 4 - 5 bars anywhere in the
house. With the new Cingular 64k SIM it's 3 bars max when held two
feet over the 4th floor balcony.
 
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In <duu3r0dhb5o3klr16bt4p4re6vg9khvj99@4ax.com> on Sat, 04 Dec 2004 18:07:38
GMT, RexYBlue <rexybluezz@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:16:52 GMT, John Navas
><spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

>>With all respect to Al, a new SIM isn't needed to get the benefits of both
>>networks -- all Cingular subscribers can now roam freely on ATTWS, and vice
>>versa. The only issue is that your Home network will always be selected when
>>there is a "usable" Home signal, even when the other network has a better
>>signal, but that's not generally a problem in practice. The new SIM addresses
>>the issue by treating the two networks as one virtual Home network, but only
>>with a handset that supports ENS.
>
>They why, John, does my v551 with the new SIM, at my home, fail to
>lock onto the much stronger signal that AT&T GSM has available? The
>very same phone with an AT&T SIM card gets 4 - 5 bars anywhere in the
>house. With the new Cingular 64k SIM it's 3 bars max when held two
>feet over the 4th floor balcony.

Probably because the phone doesn't see the Cingular signal as weak.

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In <L9qdnVoN4IeQhS_cRVn-vQ@comcast.com> on Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:04:01 -0600,
Bob Horvath <usenet@horvath.com> wrote:

>> A friend rang up a while ago and asked me... "I picked up a new V551
>> for my wife last week, and I'm curious if it has this "ENS"
>> functionality? or is this something I need to deal with as a separate
>> issue?" I'm clueless about ENS, so maybe you or someone can offer a
>> better answer.
>
>Sounds like all SIMs sent out after 11/15 should have them...
>
>http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/492681-1.html

The handset must also support ENS for ENS to work.

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John Navas wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <L9qdnVoN4IeQhS_cRVn-vQ@comcast.com> on Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:04:01 -0600,
> Bob Horvath <usenet@horvath.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>A friend rang up a while ago and asked me... "I picked up a new V551
>>>for my wife last week, and I'm curious if it has this "ENS"
>>>functionality? or is this something I need to deal with as a separate
>>>issue?" I'm clueless about ENS, so maybe you or someone can offer a
>>>better answer.
>>
>>Sounds like all SIMs sent out after 11/15 should have them...
>>
>>http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/492681-1.html
>
>
> The handset must also support ENS for ENS to work.
>

The subject of this thread is v551.
 
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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 04:27:06 GMT, "DonR" <drennard@earthlink.net> said
in alt.cellular.cingular:

>I have a 32K Sim. How do I go about exchanging it for a 64K Sim?

In a V551? You should have been given a 64k SIM. Talk to whomever
you bought the phone from. (Some dealers were shipped 32k SIMS with
new phones. Those who didn't complain got stuck with them.)
 
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In <XumdnRSS7qQuFi_cRVn-tw@comcast.com> on Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:17:29 -0600,
Bob Horvath <usenet@horvath.com> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:

>> The handset must also support ENS for ENS to work.
>
>The subject of this thread is v551.

1. I was responding to material that wasn't specific to the V551:

"Sounds like all SIMs sent out after 11/15 should have them..."

2. Do you know for a fact that the V551 does support ENS?

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To avoid this situation how can I, as a soon to be customer, determine which
phones have a 64k SIM vs. a 32k one?





"Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:jzwick3-677469.15360303122004@news1.east.earthlink.net...
> In article <rK2dnVUpvI0HWi3cRVn-pA@centurytel.net>,
> "TIM CAMPBELL" <timcampbell@roncampbellford.com> wrote:
>
> > seems like I read a earlier post about the v551 seeing Cingular AND Att
> > towers as"home" where as the v400
> > and v600 only see the Cingular towers as home
> > any info will be much appreciated
>
> If you have the new 64K Sim it wont matter. If you have an older 32K
> sim, it depends whether you have an AT&T phone & Sim; or a Cingular
> phopne & Sim
 
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The 64k sims say "SmartChip" on them and will even say 64k on them,
mine does.

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:05:27 GMT, "Bob K." <bob1030@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>To avoid this situation how can I, as a soon to be customer, determine which
>phones have a 64k SIM vs. a 32k one?
>
>
>
>
>
>"Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:jzwick3-677469.15360303122004@news1.east.earthlink.net...
>> In article <rK2dnVUpvI0HWi3cRVn-pA@centurytel.net>,
>> "TIM CAMPBELL" <timcampbell@roncampbellford.com> wrote:
>>
>> > seems like I read a earlier post about the v551 seeing Cingular AND Att
>> > towers as"home" where as the v400
>> > and v600 only see the Cingular towers as home
>> > any info will be much appreciated
>>
>> If you have the new 64K Sim it wont matter. If you have an older 32K
>> sim, it depends whether you have an AT&T phone & Sim; or a Cingular
>> phopne & Sim
>
 
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M. D. Borca wrote:
> The 64k sims say "SmartChip" on them and will even say 64k on them,
> mine does.
>


My Cingular V551 also has "SmartChip" and 64K imprinted on the label
side of the SIM. As to whether the V551 itself is ENS compliant, I am
clueless. If I knew what the ENS acronym meant, I might could Google up
something.


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Thanks M.D.

I was going to add to my question the same for ENS. How do I know which
have it and which don't?


"M. D. Borca" <marius@deuteronomy.us> wrote in message
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> The 64k sims say "SmartChip" on them and will even say 64k on them,
> mine does.
>
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:05:27 GMT, "Bob K." <bob1030@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >To avoid this situation how can I, as a soon to be customer, determine
which
> >phones have a 64k SIM vs. a 32k one?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >news:jzwick3-677469.15360303122004@news1.east.earthlink.net...
> >> In article <rK2dnVUpvI0HWi3cRVn-pA@centurytel.net>,
> >> "TIM CAMPBELL" <timcampbell@roncampbellford.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > seems like I read a earlier post about the v551 seeing Cingular AND
Att
> >> > towers as"home" where as the v400
> >> > and v600 only see the Cingular towers as home
> >> > any info will be much appreciated
> >>
> >> If you have the new 64K Sim it wont matter. If you have an older 32K
> >> sim, it depends whether you have an AT&T phone & Sim; or a Cingular
> >> phopne & Sim
> >
>
 
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Well before I asked I looked at these sites and couldn't find it.

http://www.cellphones.ca/resources/glossary.cfm
http://www.mobiledia.com/glossary/
http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/





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> M. D. Borca wrote:
> > The 64k sims say "SmartChip" on them and will even say 64k on them,
> > mine does.
> >
>
>
> My Cingular V551 also has "SmartChip" and 64K imprinted on the label
> side of the SIM. As to whether the V551 itself is ENS compliant, I am
> clueless. If I knew what the ENS acronym meant, I might could Google up
> something.
>
>
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John Navas wrote:
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>
> In <XumdnRSS7qQuFi_cRVn-tw@comcast.com> on Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:17:29 -0600,
> Bob Horvath <usenet@horvath.com> wrote:
>
>
>>John Navas wrote:
>
>
>>>The handset must also support ENS for ENS to work.
>>
>>The subject of this thread is v551.
>
>
> 1. I was responding to material that wasn't specific to the V551:
>
> "Sounds like all SIMs sent out after 11/15 should have them..."


If you read that entire page, it talked about both the SIMs and the v551.

>
> 2. Do you know for a fact that the V551 does support ENS?
>

Yes.
 
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In article <6wLsd.141329$V41.105883@attbi_s52>,
"Bob K." <bob1030@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Well before I asked I looked at these sites and couldn't find it.
>
> http://www.cellphones.ca/resources/glossary.cfm
> http://www.mobiledia.com/glossary/
> http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
> news:covt6p$hh0@library2.airnews.net...
> > M. D. Borca wrote:
> > > The 64k sims say "SmartChip" on them and will even say 64k on them,
> > > mine does.
> > >
> >
> >
> > My Cingular V551 also has "SmartChip" and 64K imprinted on the label
> > side of the SIM. As to whether the V551 itself is ENS compliant, I am
> > clueless. If I knew what the ENS acronym meant, I might could Google up
> > something.
> >
> >
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I called Cingular, and in addition to the 4 different answers I got
regarding sims, one thing I was told that sounded credible is that "all
the phones sold now by Cingular have 64K sims in them."

I went to an ATTWS store (supposed to be Cingular on Nov. 15 according
to a press release some know it all falsely claimed didn't exist), and
looked at a Razr v3, the sales person insisted he was employed by ATTWS
even though his shirt said Cingular on it, and didnt want to show me the
phone anymore when he found out I was a "Cingular" customer. "This is an
AT&T store" he told me on Dec. 4, 2004.
 
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And your point is?

___________________
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iPAQ 4355

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>
> I called Cingular, and in addition to the 4 different answers I got
> regarding sims, one thing I was told that sounded credible is that "all
> the phones sold now by Cingular have 64K sims in them."
>
> I went to an ATTWS store (supposed to be Cingular on Nov. 15 according
> to a press release some know it all falsely claimed didn't exist), and
> looked at a Razr v3, the sales person insisted he was employed by ATTWS
> even though his shirt said Cingular on it, and didnt want to show me the
> phone anymore when he found out I was a "Cingular" customer. "This is an
> AT&T store" he told me on Dec. 4, 2004.
 
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Ann wrote:
> And your point is?
>
> ___________________
> Ann
> Motorola V551
> iPAQ 4355
>


Jack is also a fashion critic.


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