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January 15, 2005 4:21:02 PM

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Hi,
Can I use Firewall ZoneAlarm along with default XP Pro Firewall.? Will there
be any conflict or stability issue in my system? I though have the latest
updates and pacthes of XP, but still am thinking of experimenting. Any advice
, please!

Thanks

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Anonymous
January 15, 2005 5:46:23 PM

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In news:2BDC9204-2C8B-4C3A-982D-EF59E32345AF@microsoft.com,
kallu <kallu@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:

> Can I use Firewall ZoneAlarm along with default XP Pro
> Firewall.?
> Will there be any conflict or stability issue in my system? I
> though
> have the latest updates and pacthes of XP, but still am
> thinking of
> experimenting. Any advice , please!


You can, but you shouldn't. You achieve no extra protection, you
incur the extra overhead of running two firewalls, and you run
the risk (probably small, but not zero) of conflicts between
them.

The Windows firewall monitors incoming traffic only. Almost any
third-party firewall will also monitor outbound traffic, stopping
rogue programs trying to call home, and is a better choice.

See
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/firewa...
which includes the following:

"Q. Should I use both the built-in firewall and a software
firewall from a different company on my Windows XP computer?



"A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for
typical home computers, home networking, and small-business
networking scenarios. Using two firewalls on the same connection
could cause issues with connectivity to the Internet or other
unexpected behavior. One firewall, whether it is the Windows XP
Internet Connection Firewall or a different software firewall,
can provide substantial protection for your computer."



Also note that if you update your third-party firewall to a new
version, the update routine will probably turn it off first. If
the Windows firewall isn't running, you will temporarily be left
with no running firewall, which is very dangerous. So turn on the
Windows firewall temporarily before doing maintenance on your
third-party firewall.


--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup
Anonymous
January 15, 2005 6:07:18 PM

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Zone Alarm should be sufficient by itself. It has the advantage of checking
outgoing as well as incoming. Download the free version and see how you
feel about it.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
"kallu" <kallu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2BDC9204-2C8B-4C3A-982D-EF59E32345AF@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
> Can I use Firewall ZoneAlarm along with default XP Pro Firewall.? Will
> there
> be any conflict or stability issue in my system? I though have the latest
> updates and pacthes of XP, but still am thinking of experimenting. Any
> advice
> , please!
>
> Thanks
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January 15, 2005 6:27:01 PM

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Hi all!

Thanks for all your advice. Before I installed SP2, I had been using Sygate
on advice of friends ( Was completly new then to thing as Computer). Now
after a year or so, I felt using/trying something which everyone says is good
would do me some good. LOL...but after hearing all you advices, I felted more
comfused (Pardon) and would'nt like to take the plunge. May be I should still
stick with the default service before being too advanturous.

Thanks
January 15, 2005 6:31:01 PM

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Hi all!

Thanks for all your advice. Before I installed SP2, I had been using Sygate
on advice of friends ( Was completly new then to thing as Computer). Now
after a year or so, I felt using/trying something which everyone says is good
would do me some good. LOL...but after hearing all you advices, I felted more
comfused (Pardon) and would'nt like to take the plunge. May be I should still
stick with the default service before being too advanturous.

Thanks
Anonymous
January 15, 2005 6:33:21 PM

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"kallu" <kallu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2BDC9204-2C8B-4C3A-982D-EF59E32345AF@microsoft.com
> Hi,
> Can I use Firewall ZoneAlarm along with default XP Pro Firewall.?
> Will there be any conflict or stability issue in my system? I though
> have the latest updates and pacthes of XP, but still am thinking of
> experimenting. Any advice , please!
>
> Thanks

No. Use one or the other.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE
Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com./athome/security/protect/defau...
Anonymous
January 15, 2005 9:36:26 PM

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If you have service pack 2 installed you will not need zone alarm. I have
windows xp home and I have sp2 and it works fine. Hope this helps. Bill
"kallu" <kallu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2BDC9204-2C8B-4C3A-982D-EF59E32345AF@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
> Can I use Firewall ZoneAlarm along with default XP Pro Firewall.? Will
> there
> be any conflict or stability issue in my system? I though have the latest
> updates and pacthes of XP, but still am thinking of experimenting. Any
> advice
> , please!
>
> Thanks
Anonymous
January 15, 2005 10:28:03 PM

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kallu wrote:

>
> Hi all!
>
> Thanks for all your advice. Before I installed SP2, I had been using Sygate
> on advice of friends ( Was completly new then to thing as Computer). Now
> after a year or so, I felt using/trying something which everyone says is good
> would do me some good. LOL...but after hearing all you advices, I felted more
> comfused (Pardon) and would'nt like to take the plunge. May be I should still
> stick with the default service before being too advanturous.
>
> Thanks

Sygate is one of the best free personal firewalls available. You would
be wise to use it again or Zone Alarm, and disable the Windows firewall.
bj
January 16, 2005 4:42:16 PM

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Why?
--
johnf

> If you have service pack 2 installed you will not need zone alarm. I
> have windows xp home and I have sp2 and it works fine. Hope this helps.
> Bill "kallu" <kallu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2BDC9204-2C8B-4C3A-982D-EF59E32345AF@microsoft.com...
>> Hi,
>> Can I use Firewall ZoneAlarm along with default XP Pro Firewall.? Will
>> there
>> be any conflict or stability issue in my system? I though have the
>> latest updates and pacthes of XP, but still am thinking of
>> experimenting. Any advice
>> , please!
>>
>> Thanks
Anonymous
January 16, 2005 7:40:44 PM

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Why not?

"johnf" <john_f@bigREMOVEpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:%23Gen9T3%23EHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl
> Why?
>
>> If you have service pack 2 installed you will not need zone alarm. I
>> have windows xp home and I have sp2 and it works fine. Hope this
>> helps. Bill "kallu" <kallu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message news:2BDC9204-2C8B-4C3A-982D-EF59E32345AF@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi,
>>> Can I use Firewall ZoneAlarm along with default XP Pro Firewall.?
>>> Will there
>>> be any conflict or stability issue in my system? I though have the
>>> latest updates and pacthes of XP, but still am thinking of
>>> experimenting. Any advice
>>> , please!
>>>
>>> Thanks
January 17, 2005 3:54:54 PM

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Because AFAIK, SP2 doesn't block outgoing nasties, which Zone Alarm does.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

--

johnf

> Why not?
>
> "johnf" <john_f@bigREMOVEpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:%23Gen9T3%23EHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl
>> Why?
>>
>>> If you have service pack 2 installed you will not need zone alarm. I
>>> have windows xp home and I have sp2 and it works fine. Hope this
>>> helps. Bill "kallu" <kallu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message news:2BDC9204-2C8B-4C3A-982D-EF59E32345AF@microsoft.com...
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Can I use Firewall ZoneAlarm along with default XP Pro Firewall.?
>>>> Will there
>>>> be any conflict or stability issue in my system? I though have the
>>>> latest updates and pacthes of XP, but still am thinking of
>>>> experimenting. Any advice
>>>> , please!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
Anonymous
January 17, 2005 3:54:55 PM

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You are correct, but if you keep your system clean and block incoming, you
won't have any outgoing to block.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE
Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com./athome/security/protect/defau...

"johnf" <john_f@bigREMOVEpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:%23zt1JeD$EHA.2568@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl
> Because AFAIK, SP2 doesn't block outgoing nasties, which Zone Alarm
> does. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>
>> Why not?
>>
>> "johnf" <john_f@bigREMOVEpond.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:%23Gen9T3%23EHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl
>>> Why?
>>>
>>>> If you have service pack 2 installed you will not need zone
>>>> alarm. I have windows xp home and I have sp2 and it works fine.
>>>> Hope this helps. Bill "kallu" <kallu@discussions.microsoft.com>
>>>> wrote in message
>>>> news:2BDC9204-2C8B-4C3A-982D-EF59E32345AF@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Can I use Firewall ZoneAlarm along with default XP Pro Firewall.?
>>>>> Will there
>>>>> be any conflict or stability issue in my system? I though have the
>>>>> latest updates and pacthes of XP, but still am thinking of
>>>>> experimenting. Any advice
>>>>> , please!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
Anonymous
January 17, 2005 3:54:56 PM

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Frank Saunders, MS-MVP IE/OE wrote:
> You are correct, but if you keep your system clean and block incoming,
> you won't have any outgoing to block.
>


While that's technically true, Frank, I don't really think it's a
particularly wise stance, security-wise, particularly since all too many
of the people reading these newsgroups are because precisely because
they don't know how to keep their computers secure.

As you know, WinXP SP2's firewall does not protect the user from any
Trojans or spyware that he/she (or someone else using his/her computer)
might download and install inadvertently. It doesn't monitor out-going
traffic at all, other than to check for IP-spoofing, much less block (or
at even ask the user about) the bad or the questionable out-going
signals. It assumes that any application the user has on his/her hard
drive is there because he/she want it there, and therefore has his/her
"permission" to access the Internet. Further, because the Windows
Firewall is a "stateful" firewall, it will also assume that any incoming
traffic that's a direct response to a Trojan's or spyware's out-going
signal is also authorized. Also, remember that antivirus applications
are primary re-active in nature; they won't be able to identify and/or
block a virus, Trojan or worm until _after_ the malware has been
discovered and new virus definition files distributed.

Where computer security and privacy of personal data are concerned,
I have to strongly recommend a belt-and-suspenders approach. ZoneAlarm,
Kerio, or Sygate are all much better than WinXP's built-in firewall, and
are much more easily configured, and there are free versions of each
readily available. Even the commercially available Symantec's Norton
Personal Firewall is superior by far, although it does take a heavier
toll of system performance then do ZoneAlarm or Sygate. Having a
secondary means of detecting the presence/activities of potential
malware is simply common sense.


--

Bruce Chambers

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January 18, 2005 12:51:41 AM

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Sorry, I fail to agree. There are too many software programs waiting out
there for the unwary with inbuilt dialers etc. - especially when you let
your youmg kids loose to download anything they fancy, but which you
personally would immediately reject.

--

johnf

> You are correct, but if you keep your system clean and block incoming,
> you won't have any outgoing to block.
>
> --
> Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE
> Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email
> http://www.fjsmjs.com
> Protect your PC
> http://www.microsoft.com./athome/security/protect/defau...
>
> "johnf" <john_f@bigREMOVEpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:%23zt1JeD$EHA.2568@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl
>> Because AFAIK, SP2 doesn't block outgoing nasties, which Zone Alarm
>> does. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>>> Why not?
>>>
>>> "johnf" <john_f@bigREMOVEpond.net.au> wrote in message
>>> news:%23Gen9T3%23EHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>>> If you have service pack 2 installed you will not need zone
>>>>> alarm. I have windows xp home and I have sp2 and it works fine.
>>>>> Hope this helps. Bill "kallu" <kallu@discussions.microsoft.com>
>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>> news:2BDC9204-2C8B-4C3A-982D-EF59E32345AF@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Can I use Firewall ZoneAlarm along with default XP Pro Firewall.?
>>>>>> Will there
>>>>>> be any conflict or stability issue in my system? I though have the
>>>>>> latest updates and pacthes of XP, but still am thinking of
>>>>>> experimenting. Any advice
>>>>>> , please!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
Anonymous
January 18, 2005 12:51:42 AM

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In news:o anQGKI$EHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl,
johnf <john_f@bigREMOVEpond.net.au> typed:

> Sorry, I fail to agree. There are too many software programs
> waiting
> out there for the unwary with inbuilt dialers etc. - especially
> when
> you let your youmg kids loose to download anything they fancy,
> but
> which you personally would immediately reject.


Although Frank is correct, I agree with you. Given that mistakes
can be made (and not just by young kids), it's prudent to do
both.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup


>> You are correct, but if you keep your system clean and block
>> incoming, you won't have any outgoing to block.
>>
>> --
>> Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE
>> Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email
>> http://www.fjsmjs.com
>> Protect your PC
>> http://www.microsoft.com./athome/security/protect/defau...
>>
>> "johnf" <john_f@bigREMOVEpond.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:%23zt1JeD$EHA.2568@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl
>>> Because AFAIK, SP2 doesn't block outgoing nasties, which Zone
>>> Alarm
>>> does. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>>>
>>>> Why not?
>>>>
>>>> "johnf" <john_f@bigREMOVEpond.net.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23Gen9T3%23EHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl
>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have service pack 2 installed you will not need
>>>>>> zone
>>>>>> alarm. I have windows xp home and I have sp2 and it works
>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>> Hope this helps. Bill "kallu"
>>>>>> <kallu@discussions.microsoft.com>
>>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:2BDC9204-2C8B-4C3A-982D-EF59E32345AF@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> Can I use Firewall ZoneAlarm along with default XP Pro
>>>>>>> Firewall.? Will there
>>>>>>> be any conflict or stability issue in my system? I though
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> the latest updates and pacthes of XP, but still am
>>>>>>> thinking of
>>>>>>> experimenting. Any advice
>>>>>>> , please!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
!