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Quick upgrade question: 7600gt vs x800xl

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December 22, 2006 4:05:40 AM

I have the chance to upgrade from a x800xl AGP to a 7600gt PCI-e (new mobo) for a total of about $50 out of my pocket. I'm mostly doing this cause my friend needs my older video card. My question is, is a 7600gt pretty much better than the x800xl in every way? For some reason the THG VGA chart shows the x800xl beating the 7600gt in Oblivion.
December 22, 2006 4:34:36 AM

Not a worthwhile upgrade in my opinion, unless you plan on giving your agp card to your friend anyway.
The main advantage here is SM3.0, otherwise dont expect more than 15-20% improvement typically. Don't get me wrong, the 7600GT is a great midrange card, and I've owned one ... but in your situation you might not feel a significant difference. The 7600GT performs on par with an x850XT, if you need a reference point.



BTW, you might reduce your 50$ deficit if you consider :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

78$ is a great deal for a 7600GT. Typically I see it around 110-120$ nowadays.
December 22, 2006 4:35:26 AM

thanks for the reply, that was actually the exact card I was looking at.
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December 22, 2006 4:41:41 AM

Oh, two things I forgot.

Be warned that the stock fan on any 7600GT is excessively noisy when running in 3D mode. So if you like a quiet computer, either be prepared to dish out another 25-30$ for a vf700 (or any similar quiet cooler).

The good thing about the 7600GT, is that the OC potential is great.
I had mine running at 580core/1600mem. The performance difference was actually very noticeable, especially with more demanding games/resolutions.

When comparing a fully overclocked 7600GT to a stock x800Xl, then I think you'll spot a definite fps increase.

Cheers
December 22, 2006 4:43:33 AM

The BFG one seems to come overlocked already at 580/1450. What were your original clocks and what cooling did you use? I perfer to stick with stock cooling, personally.
December 22, 2006 4:45:29 AM

Mine was an EVGA one, clocked at 500/1400 I believe, so your BFG does indeed seem to have a nice factory overclock to begin with.

By the way, there's really nothing bad about getting an aftermarket cooler. Installation took 2 minutes for me.
When I say that the stock cooler is loud when running at full speed (typically when you're playing a game), believe me - it's loud.
I ended up slapping a vf700 AlCU from zalman on my card, and at that point the card was virtually silent with the 580/1600 speeds.
December 22, 2006 4:54:14 AM

I'm gonna head off so this is the last post for tonite.
You might wanna check out this review :

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/344/7

It features a stock 7600GT, OC'd 7600GT (590/1600), x800GTO and several other cards. Has extensive benchmarks, synthetic and actual games.

THe x800GTO is somewhat close in performance to the x800XL I believe (a little less, but nothing major). That would be a good reference point for comparison in those charts to see what kind of relative improvement to expect.

GN and cheers :) 
December 22, 2006 4:54:59 AM

Awesome, thanks. I will take a look.
December 22, 2006 5:01:47 AM

I'd get the 7600GT personally....it's a great card with sm.3 capabilities, and unlike the X800XL, most are stellar overclockers.
December 22, 2006 5:19:23 AM

I would stick with the x800xl. I have an x800pro and it performs better than that exact BFG 7600 from newegg, my roommate just bought it (he also has same exact mobo and cpu as me). I bought the arctic freezer for my x800 and i have it clocked at 550/550 up from 475/450 stock. It is stable up to about 590/610.

It depends a lot on the game though. The 7600 will be better in games like fear, worse in oblivion. Not worth the 50 bucks imho.
December 22, 2006 7:14:18 AM

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I have an x800pro and it performs better than that exact BFG 7600 from newegg

That's because you're too stupid to see the performance difference between the two. The 7600GT smokes a crappy X800Pro in everything you throw at it...not to mention the X800Pro is stuck in the past with it's ps2.0 capabilities.

Go bury your head somewhere and dont post here again.
a c 198 U Graphics card
December 22, 2006 2:48:27 PM

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I have an x800pro and it performs better than that exact BFG 7600 from newegg

That's because you're too stupid to see the performance difference between the two. The 7600GT smokes a crappy X800Pro in everything you throw at it...not to mention the X800Pro is stuck in the past with it's ps2.0 capabilities.

Go bury your head somewhere and dont post here again.

Whoa! Dude! Bad drugs? Given that what he says about his perception is true, perhaps the titles or settings in question don't run well on the 7600GT (like high AA/AF), or maybe there's another problem or bottleneck. Yeah, the 7600GT ought to make the X800Pro turn red, but that doesn't make the guy stupid.

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Be warned that the stock fan on any 7600GT is excessively noisy when running in 3D mode. So if you like a quiet computer, either be prepared to dish out another 25-30$ for a vf700 (or any similar quiet cooler).


Yeah, mine revved up noticeably too. My PC didn't taxi for take-off, but even so I got a vf700-Cu and was very happy with the results.
December 22, 2006 4:31:49 PM

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That's because you're too stupid to see the performance difference between the two. The 7600GT smokes a crappy X800Pro in everything you throw at it...not to mention the X800Pro is stuck in the past with it's ps2.0 capabilities.

Go bury your head somewhere and dont post here again.


http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&m...

x800xl wins vs. 7600gt more often than not

Before you both go spouting off with idiotic advice, maybe you should look at the facts. BTW, these are not overclocked. Mine is, significantly, which i mentioned (also told him the cooler that will allow him to do so is only 20 dollars from the egg).

Don't forget the x800 in toms comparison is clocked at 400/500. Mine is clocked at 550/550.

If you want to tell this guy to spend 50 bucks so that his only win can be 400 3dmarks, but losses in fps in every tom's comparison, go ahead. Personally I recommended a 20 dollar part that would get his card an extra 7-20 fps across the board.

I can't believe you have gotten to 5000 posts by being an ignorant douche.
December 22, 2006 4:36:45 PM

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otherwise dont expect more than 15-20% improvement typically.


I'd say more like a 10% improvement in raw framerates.

SM 3.0 is nice to have if you want HDR in Oblivion. But I sure as hell wouldn't bother going to a 7600 GT from an X800 XL.

From an X800 XL, I wouldn't bother upgrading to anything less than an X1950 PRO or 7900 GS.
December 22, 2006 6:52:53 PM

I would get a 1950 but my 420W psu only gives off 18 amps on the 12v rail :( 

I imagine a lot of agp users have too weak a psu for the x1950 pro and are not realizing it right now.

I'm not really trying to "upgrade" my video card to something way better, it's just that my friend needs a video card and I wanted to buy a new one so I can sell him mine. In the end, I'm paying out of my pockey $50 for a 7600gt and a new mobo (selling my x800xl for $100)
December 22, 2006 8:08:13 PM

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That's because you're too stupid to see the performance difference between the two. The 7600GT smokes a crappy X800Pro in everything you throw at it...not to mention the X800Pro is stuck in the past with it's ps2.0 capabilities.

Go bury your head somewhere and dont post here again.

You make your point as eloquently as always.

Seriously, GW knows a lot more about graphics cards than most others on this forum and his posts are often very useful. However, once in awhile he'll partake a in little too much of an alcoholic beverage which can cause his posts to be a bit more assertive than usual.

Honestly, if you don't have to change your processor and RAM, then I'd do it for $50. You get to help your buddy out and get a new motherboard and a great mid-range card.

Oblivion will tax either card considerably to the point that you'll have to adjust the game settings to get either card playable on it so I kinda see it as a moot point. In other games a 7600GT will trade blows with an X850XT which means it will outperform an X800Xl on average. For $50 I say it is a good deal and would be worth it just to get some newer stuff and help a friend out.
December 23, 2006 12:28:07 AM

According to TH's vga chart, 7600gt=x800xl, in every benchmark, oddly enough. I have the x800xl agp myself. I want to play 1600x1200 games, and it's not cutting it anymore.
a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2006 1:30:12 AM

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I would get a 1950 but my 420W psu only gives off 18 amps on the 12v rail :( 

I imagine a lot of agp users have too weak a psu for the x1950 pro and are not realizing it right now.

I'm not really trying to "upgrade" my video card to something way better, it's just that my friend needs a video card and I wanted to buy a new one so I can sell him mine. In the end, I'm paying out of my pockey $50 for a 7600gt and a new mobo (selling my x800xl for $100)


go for it it will be worth it.

one thing that most who have posted.
most games and benchmarks test the ati8## series
and the 76 series to default.

the ati x8## series is sm2.0
and the default for the 76 series is sm3.0.

if that makes sense.
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