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What card for this system to make it a few more yrs?

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December 22, 2006 12:44:41 PM

I have a 700x Gateway with a 2.4 P4 512 RDRAM (going to 1 gig for 200 bucks). It has a 250w power supply which I am switching out with this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

I hope this PSU and a new card will last me a little longer with this PC.
I'm currently running a buddies 9600 because my 4600ti fried on me awhile ago.

I was looking at getting a x850 pro but all are but gone and the ones that are left are selling for around 200.

My question is What card for this system(AGP) for 100-130 and is that PSU im looking at going to be alright?

I see there is a 1300 pro... Does this card perform like the x850 pro?

Anyway suggestions would be great..

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December 22, 2006 12:47:05 PM

The 1300 is an absolute dog unless you do most of your gaming in Excel.

Are we talking AGP or PCI-e?
December 22, 2006 1:11:03 PM

AGP ! Most of the time all I play is Counter Strike Source. I may get a new game within a yrs time but mostly want to play CSS with everything maxed out and have some new technology for maybe some new game.
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December 22, 2006 1:14:42 PM

Have a look at the 7600 range.
December 22, 2006 1:31:15 PM

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AGP ! Most of the time all I play is Counter Strike Source. I may get a new game within a yrs time but mostly want to play CSS with everything maxed out and have some new technology for maybe some new game.

you want everything maxed out on a one hundred dollar AGP card built in a 2.4ghz Pentium 4 system? uhm...yeah. I'm not even sure a 7600gs can run CSS maxed, but your best bet is to overclock the hell out of it.
December 22, 2006 2:18:56 PM

You can probably run it maxed out on a 7600gt but with ave fps of 30-40. Even on my system i get ave of only around 100-120.
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December 22, 2006 2:21:16 PM

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The 1300 is an absolute dog unless you do most of your gaming in Excel.
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ROFL. Although I did once send a coworker an Excel spreadsheet with cells sized and colored to spell "WHATEVER."

Make sure your [older] system doesn't still require a -5v rail; the PSU you selected doesn't have it.

If you need that rail, your PSU choices are really limited (especially among high-quality brands), but with some reservation, I will suggest this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

It's Aspire, and a lot of people will tell you it is a low-quality PSU, BUT, I used two of them recently, one for about 8 months (in my .sig rig); I'd still be using it but thought a fan was dying and replaced it with a locally-bought Coolermaster. Turns out the fan wasn't dying (it was my chipset cooler), but being deaf in one ear I have NO sense of direction of sound, and it is too intermittent to reliably repeat. The rails on the Aspire were solid. Some of the criticism I've read suggests that it shouldn't be rated at 500W, but it should be fine for your system.

For the video card, a 6600GT would be a nice choice in the lower end your price range, and doesn't require an auxiliary power connection. I'm not sure an AGP 7600GS is in that range. Your existing PSU may be enough for the 6600GT.
December 22, 2006 2:21:52 PM

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You can probably run it maxed out on a 7600gt but with ave fps of 30-40. Even on my system i get ave of only around 100-120.

Nah, without much overclocking the 7600gt is more powerful than my old 6800gt, which never lagged any source based game
December 22, 2006 4:39:59 PM

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The 1300 is an absolute dog unless you do most of your gaming in Excel.


The new X1300 XTs are pretty decent for cheap actually, basically rebadged X1600 PROs. They'll perform close to a 6600 GT. Don't know if they're in AGP yet though.

But id go with at least 7600 GS or X1650 PRO on that system.
December 23, 2006 12:53:44 AM

-5v rail? How do I check my system if this is what I have? I can paste my PSU that I have now if it helps.

This is what my Gateway has in it now........

GeneralManufacturer
Delta/Astec
Model NPS-250CBB/ATX250-3505-1412B Rev 01
Performance
Voltage 115/230 V
Frequency 50/60 Hz
Input current 6.5 Amps at 115 VAC
3.5 Amps at 230 VAC
Wattage 250 W
Environmental
Operating temperature 0 to 50° C ambient
Operating humidity 20 to 80% RH
Thermal regulation +/- 2% per ° C
Shock 40g (half sine), 11 ms shock
Vibration 2 to 300 Hz, 0.25 g sinusoidal vibration
Mean time between failure 100,000 hrs. minimum excluding fan at full load (25° C)
40,000 hrs. minimum for fan only (25° C)
Regulatory and safety compliance
EMI/RFI regulations FCC Part 15 Class B, EN550221993, EN55082-1 1992, EN61000-3-2, EN61000-3-3, VCCI Class II ITE, AS/NZS 3548:1992
Safety UL 1950, CSA 22.2 No. 950, EN60950, IEC 950 CB Scheme, NOM-019-SCFI-1993, AS/NZS 3260:1993



If I can get away with it I'd like to keep it(one less thing to buy) but what new card could run on such a low PSU?
December 23, 2006 7:02:39 AM

There's apparently a new x1950pro AGP that's very highly rated, but is a bit above your price bracket. Some people that I cosider quite knowledge-able will go for this, to get through until Vista becomes mature. There was a thread recently...
December 23, 2006 7:02:47 AM

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I have a 700x Gateway with a 2.4 P4 512 RDRAM (going to 1 gig for 200 bucks). It has a 250w power supply which I am switching out with this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

I hope this PSU and a new card will last me a little longer with this PC.
I'm currently running a buddies 9600 because my 4600ti fried on me awhile ago.

I was looking at getting a x850 pro but all are but gone and the ones that are left are selling for around 200.

My question is What card for this system(AGP) for 100-130 and is that PSU im looking at going to be alright?

I see there is a 1300 pro... Does this card perform like the x850 pro?

Anyway suggestions would be great..


I would reconsider the PSU... it only has 70% effeciency rating and you should really aim for at least 80% I feel.

The X800GTO and X850Pros are both great cards for the low bucks... I have a system running the 800GTO that will OC over 20% core. Plays anything Out there right now (well... at least out of the games I have / All FPS'ers)

And of course I only say this if you plan to fully upgrade New within a year or so.
December 23, 2006 1:05:04 PM

What cards can I get with keeping the PSU I have?
Is the 7300GT one of them?
December 23, 2006 5:39:36 PM

Don't break "The Rule Of 4"; a pc that is four years old, or if you're changing 4 more things to upgrade, it's just better to invest in a new computer. Especially with vendor pc's like HP, Dell, etc. that typically don't let you insert standard parts.

$200 just for the memory upgrade......really, I wouldn't put more into this pc. I'd recommend you limp along for now, and take advantage of holiday sales. Put the cash into buying a new pc. For your current needs, you can spend enough to get you to a PCI-e system as a foundation, and then add on and upgrade the next year or two as you feel the need.
December 23, 2006 5:52:53 PM

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What cards can I get with keeping the PSU I have?
Is the 7300GT one of them?


Do not get the 7300gt... it is a Lame Video Card.
Low Core Clock... 350MHz

If you already have the 400W PSU, and if you do not want to return it for a better one, then it will work for a 7600 series Nvidia or a ATI X1650 series or lower... should have no problems with your setup.

If you want to use the 250W PSU... you wont be too happy with your choices
December 23, 2006 6:21:21 PM

I agree, if you're talking about the 7300GT with GDDR2. The 7300GT GDDR3s have higher core clock speeds, 8 pipes, and are pretty decent budget cards.
December 23, 2006 10:11:22 PM

The 7300gt isnt a bad card if you get the ddr3 one, it preforms like 2x better than the ddr2 one. Ive only seen one at newegg and its a pcie.

I picked up a pny geforce 7600gs 512meg locally for around $140. It has a very low ps requirement.
December 23, 2006 11:28:03 PM

7300GT arent lame card, there LOW END CARD FOR PEOPLE who dont have the powersupply or budget for some like the 7600 series.

"eVGA also recommends a minimum 350W power supply with 18A for the 7300GT"

"BFG recommends a 350W power supply with 20A on the +12v rail for the 7600GT"
December 24, 2006 12:04:46 AM

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You can probably run it maxed out on a 7600gt but with ave fps of 30-40. Even on my system i get ave of only around 100-120.

Nah, without much overclocking the 7600gt is more powerful than my old 6800gt, which never lagged any source based game

7600GT is quite a lot faster than my 6800GT actually, especially when overclocked (i'm talking 5k vs 7k in 3dMark05). I get around 60-100 FPS with max settings on CSS with that 6800GT.
December 24, 2006 12:23:11 AM

Quote:
I have a 700x Gateway with a 2.4 P4 512 RDRAM (going to 1 gig for 200 bucks). It has a 250w power supply which I am switching out with this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

I hope this PSU and a new card will last me a little longer with this PC.
I'm currently running a buddies 9600 because my 4600ti fried on me awhile ago.

I was looking at getting a x850 pro but all are but gone and the ones that are left are selling for around 200.

My question is What card for this system(AGP) for 100-130 and is that PSU im looking at going to be alright?

I see there is a 1300 pro... Does this card perform like the x850 pro?

Anyway suggestions would be great..

You may come out cheaper buying a new mobo for your CPU to get away from rdram.
December 24, 2006 4:21:11 AM

I think that by the time you get your ram,GPU,PSU.....that your could get a new low end Dell,HP that would be better technoligy to slowly upgrade,than what your messin with now......My 2cent's worth....Good luck!
December 24, 2006 11:36:37 PM

alright lets go this route. I want to give my buddy back his 9600. What card is better than the 9600 and I can still keep my 250W PSU? I have 1 hard drive 2 cdroms and maybe 2 things in usb. So im not using much power. Anyway some suggestions for some cards better than the 9600 and only need a 250w psu.
December 28, 2006 4:45:12 AM

Anyone have any insight on this?
Best card for a 250W power supply?
I bought a Dell, so upgrading the power supply is not really an option.
I hear its possible, but will be expensive. May as well start over if Im going to drop 400+ on upgrades.
Ive been unable to find anything as far as a power supply requirement on the 7300GT. I was hoping this would be the card. Any thoughts on anything different?

Crimedogg
December 28, 2006 5:43:07 AM

The new ati[amd] 1950pro agp is a great upgrade for your system, and they're at a good price point too. If you prefer nvidia, the 7600gt agp is a great card too! Good luck to you man!
December 28, 2006 5:03:18 PM

Like some people said said, I'd stay away from the 7300 GT unless you can get a GDDR3 version.

A 6600 GT will beat out a 7300 GT ddr2 easily.

You can get AGP 6600 GTs on newegg for $99 now, that's a really good AGP deal.
December 28, 2006 7:24:58 PM

Yes, but the 6600GT uses a lot more power than a 7300GT. The OP has a rather old Gateway 250W PSU. In another thread I recommended he go with a 7600GS but Crashman wasn't certain the PSU could handle it. I in turn recommended the 7300GT as the safer bet then. The 7600GS uses a little bit more power than the 7300GT but less than the 6600GT. So I'm thinking the 7600GS may in fact be the sweet spot and it's more than capable of handling CS:S, even though the 7300GT would work for that too. Remember that the OP is upgrading from a 9600 which he doesn't think is a PRO or an XT version. I think either 7300GT or 7600GS would be an improvement over what they're currently used to.
December 28, 2006 7:51:12 PM

Ouch. Missed the 250w PSU.

The title of the thread is "What card for this system to make it a few more yrs?"... you can't make a 250w PSU last a few more years. :p 
December 28, 2006 9:29:21 PM

My bad! I too over-looked the 250w psu. However he has is enough to run the 7600gs and 7600gt. Remember that he's running 2.4 p4 and 1 pair rd-ram. Unless he has more than 2 hard drives, he has enough power. If he were to upgrade his psu to a 350w, the 1950pro would run fine. If you doubt this statement use your favorite wattage calculator, it will confirm this.
December 29, 2006 2:17:21 PM

Wattage is misleading, especially when it comes to PSUs. It's not about the wattage, it's about the amps on the 12v rail.

A 250w PSU might even give an old 9700 PRO a problem in some cases. I sure as hell wouldn't trust it with an X1950 PRO.

If there's crashing, you'd know what to blame anyway...
December 29, 2006 3:03:45 PM

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Wattage is misleading, especially when it comes to PSUs. It's not about the wattage, it's about the amps on the 12v rail.

A 250w PSU might even give an old 9700 PRO a problem in some cases. I sure as hell wouldn't trust it with an X1950 PRO.

If there's crashing, you'd know what to blame anyway...


And if the entire system burns out you'd know who to blame :D :D :D 
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