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X1950PRO, TWO GPUS ON ONE!?

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December 23, 2006 6:08:58 AM

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December 23, 2006 6:34:19 AM

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wow, ripoff of 7950GX2.....


Competition's a bad thing now?
December 23, 2006 12:09:16 PM

It's called competition.

That's why everyone from computers, to cars "copies" ideas and makes a new product.

BTW,
Asus 7800GT Dual has dual GPUs on single board before the 7950GX2...
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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2006 12:10:37 PM

Already posted this a couple days ago. Unlike the 7950GX2, which was a dual PCB desperate attempt to regain the performance lead, the dual X1950 pro is actually just one PCB...one card. And it's not going to regain any performance lead either. :)  It's also nothing new for ATI/AMD as they had dual Rage 128 pro's on one card (Rage Fury Maxx), ages ago.

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Sapphire-Dual-X...
December 23, 2006 12:35:33 PM

its only for fools to buy anyway
who would buy this when you can get a 8800GTS for around the same price as this will likely be
December 23, 2006 12:47:27 PM

Dude, Dual GPU's are nothing new.

Dual GPU Voodoo Cards back in the day, Rage Fury Maxx, Dual 6600GT, Dual 7800GT.. etc..
December 23, 2006 12:57:59 PM

obviously this guy is to much of a moron to realize that
December 23, 2006 11:02:53 PM

I Didnt see that topic sry about the post but i just found it at gotfrag and tought is was something new. BTW im just trying to spread some Info and i can hold my opinion :roll:
December 23, 2006 11:37:04 PM

only upside to this, is that ATi can offer a competitor to Quad SLi.

but thats pretty much useless in its own right, when we have yet to see a normal two card setup being overworked, let alone a CPU that won't bottleneck it.
December 24, 2006 12:00:05 AM

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only upside to this, is that ATi can offer a competitor to Quad SLi.

but thats pretty much useless in its own right, when we have yet to see a normal two card setup being overworked, let alone a CPU that won't bottleneck it.
They have it; two X1950XTXs are generally faster than two 7950GX2s, and they aren't even worth mentioning now. If you mean Quad 8800GTXs, you'd need your own nuclear reactor to power that.
December 24, 2006 12:13:42 AM

i just meant they can make a literal claim to having four GPU's in CrossFire...

i don't want to see what a Quad-CF system would be like, thats just too much... not to mention a single R580 needs 30amps to run, 4 of them, thats 120amps... nuts
December 24, 2006 12:21:20 AM

Anyways, to the idea of having two X1950Pros on one board, a single 8800GTX would easily outperform it while also supporting Direct X10.
December 24, 2006 12:21:38 AM

30 amps?? wtf :?: :?: :!: :!: :!:

I hope thats a typo - because you can't be serious.

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way to post the exact same time I did... :lol: 
December 24, 2006 12:23:38 AM

This does have a huge advantate over a two card system, even the 7950GTX, they both only take up 2 card slots, this frees up a lot of room that mbs seem to have less and less of. Have you taken a look at the new mbs?? 1 IDE connector, and the only usable PCI's a stuck under the PCI-E making it hard to have more than one usable (if your lucky) PCI slot for sound, modem, lan etc. Ive seen a few things i would like to add such as Physx (maybe not after i get some 8800s or r600s) or the dedicated network card a few have been raving about.

2 GPUs in 2 slots > 2 GPUs in 4 slots
December 24, 2006 12:28:07 AM

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30 amps?? wtf :?: :?: :!: :!: :!:

I hope thats a typo - because you can't be serious.

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way to post the exact same time I did... :lol: 


no joke they recommend 450watts PSU with 30amps on the 12v rail, why i had to buy a new PSU when i got my x1900
December 24, 2006 12:32:05 AM

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This does have a huge advantate over a two card system, even the 7950GTX, they both only take up 2 card slots, this frees up a lot of room that mbs seem to have less and less of. Have you taken a look at the new mbs?? 1 IDE connector, and the only usable PCI's a stuck under the PCI-E making it hard to have more than one usable (if your lucky) PCI slot for sound, modem, lan etc. Ive seen a few things i would like to add such as Physx (maybe not after i get some 8800s or r600s) or the dedicated network card a few have been raving about.

2 GPUs in 2 slots > 2 GPUs in 4 slots
But even then, a single 8800GTX would easily wipe the floor with two X1950Pros, seeing as it outperforms two X1950XTXs in Crossfire.
December 24, 2006 12:36:27 AM

True but r600 is on its way. And when DX10 comes out 2 GPUs will still be (marginly) better. And its always better to have extra space!
December 24, 2006 12:38:46 AM

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But even then, a single 8800GTX would easily wipe the floor with two X1950Pros, seeing as it outperforms two X1950XTXs in Crossfire.



Yes and this why we won't or shouldn't see this dual R570 card hit the market, not to mention they wouldn't want this product to launch the same time as R600. But at the same time this does solve the problem with CF and mastercads. But now that ATi has shown a real world dual GPU product, it helps level the playing field a little, its going to come down to product placement, drivers, and who took the right design to really make DX10 be what its meant to be.
December 24, 2006 12:43:15 AM

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True but r600 is on its way. And when DX10 comes out 2 GPUs will still be (marginly) better. And its always better to have extra space!
You're nuts to think ATI will be able to pack two cores with over 700 million transistors onto the same board.
a b U Graphics card
December 24, 2006 2:31:17 AM

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http://hardware.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35944/

wow, ripoff of 7950GX2.....


Are you certain it's not the other way around? ATI had the Rage Fury Maxx around 7 years ago....

I've never met Furry Max, but if I do, I'll shake his hairy hand for you.
a b U Graphics card
December 24, 2006 2:36:47 AM

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Anyways, to the idea of having two X1950Pros on one board, a single 8800GTX would easily outperform it while also supporting Direct X10.
This is trye, also like the Rage Fury Maxx
December 24, 2006 2:58:25 PM

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True but r600 is on its way. And when DX10 comes out 2 GPUs will still be (marginly) better. And its always better to have extra space!
You're nuts to think ATI will be able to pack two cores with over 700 million transistors onto the same board.
Putting them there is not the problem, cooling them is. Thats why i think that if they do come out with a dual gpu product it will be in the 8900 series or ATi's equivelent.
December 24, 2006 3:10:58 PM

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True but r600 is on its way. And when DX10 comes out 2 GPUs will still be (marginly) better. And its always better to have extra space!
You're nuts to think ATI will be able to pack two cores with over 700 million transistors onto the same board.
Putting them there is not the problem, cooling them is. Thats why i think that if they do come out with a dual gpu product it will be in the 8900 series or ATi's equivelent.ATI isn't going to release a card expecting all of it's buyers to use some sort of exotic cooling. Even at an 80nm or smaller die shrink, two G80 cores would put out an enormous amount of heat.
December 24, 2006 3:57:35 PM

This card should have a good market given all the 965 boards out there and it will most likely be priced close to two x1950pro's[$350]. Plus with physics on it's way you could run it in 1 pcie slot or 1 DX10 card and dual physic cores on a 2 pcie board. Thats if it can run that way and I hope it can. Vid/physic on one board would be nice for a sff build.
The x1950pro cores use as much power as the x1800xl, I think it's like 4-6 amps. I for one hope to see this card on the shelfs.
December 24, 2006 5:10:29 PM

Something I think you and many other users keep forgetting is that a GPU does not equal a CPU. Adding more physical GPU cores doesn't do any good as there are generally single GPU core solutions that are faster.
December 24, 2006 5:21:32 PM

With added GPU cores, speed isn't the issue. I think you'll agree with me, that a single GPU is more than capable of running evertyhing maxed at at resolutions around 1600X1200. The problem with two or more GPUs is that there isn't anything that uses both GPU's at 100% usage at the same time, not to mention there isn't a CPU on the market that can keep up with the processing power of two GPU's. I look at SLi and CF the same way i look at quad core CPUs and Intels roadmap, why keep adding cores when less than 5% of the software is wrote multi-threaded, just doesn't make sense.
December 24, 2006 8:02:34 PM

why wouldn't two gpu's be better?
If you had one gpu do world physic and one particle wouldn't that make for a smother game?
I would think if it was enabled that you would see performance similar to CF with two upper mid range cards beating the high end card. I haven't seen any benches but two x1950pros beat one x1950xtx, right? Is it the way physic is calculated that would be the issue or just r600 is going to do it so much better.
My point was more the use of this card in physic as a singe card. I believe many would oped for this instead of a mobo upgrade and buying two cards. Thats if it's possible with this card, I would like one card to do it all. To bad it can't run DX10 :( 
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