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April 26, 2005 11:39:41 PM

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Hell friends:

I have setup a RIS on a windows 2003 member server, but I the clients on
other subnets are not able to communicate with the server. If a client boots
up from the same subnet as that of the RIS server it works fine otherwise
doesn't. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Chow.

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Anonymous
April 27, 2005 12:37:03 AM

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<eldingo> wrote in message news:#2EWXlrSFHA.3464@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Hell friends:
>
> I have setup a RIS on a windows 2003 member server, but I the clients on
> other subnets are not able to communicate with the server. If a client
boots
> up from the same subnet as that of the RIS server it works fine otherwise
> doesn't. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Likely not a RIS problem -- most probably a name resolution
problem.

Both DNS and NetBIOS name resolution might have worked
so likely both are misconfigured.

First NetBIOS:

The key here is that you can connect from SAME subnet
but not from another subnet -- this implies that NetBIOS
is broadcasting locally but that there is no WINS Server
OR the machines are not all registered with the WINS
server.

If you have more than one subnet you really need a WINS
server -- if you have a WINS server then all machines (even
'servers') must be WINS Clients on their NIC->IP settings.

If you have more than one WINS Server they must replicate.

Second is DNS resolution -- you can get by without internal
DNS servers IF you do not have Active Directory but if you
do then again all machines need to be DNS clients of ONLY
the same internal DNS server (set).

Internet resolution is usually handled by the internal DNS
server (set) forwarding to an externally resolving DNS server,
usually the firewall/DMZ DNS or your ISP DNS server.


--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]
Anonymous
April 27, 2005 1:16:06 AM

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Hi you need DNS and DHCP for RIS to work, since you are in a different subnet
you will also need a dhcp relay agent to respond the the computer you wish to
have talk to ris.

--
Jay Ferron
ADSI, CISM, CISSP, MCDBA, MCSE, MCT, NSA - IAM



"Herb Martin" wrote:

> <eldingo> wrote in message news:#2EWXlrSFHA.3464@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Hell friends:
> >
> > I have setup a RIS on a windows 2003 member server, but I the clients on
> > other subnets are not able to communicate with the server. If a client
> boots
> > up from the same subnet as that of the RIS server it works fine otherwise
> > doesn't. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Likely not a RIS problem -- most probably a name resolution
> problem.
>
> Both DNS and NetBIOS name resolution might have worked
> so likely both are misconfigured.
>
> First NetBIOS:
>
> The key here is that you can connect from SAME subnet
> but not from another subnet -- this implies that NetBIOS
> is broadcasting locally but that there is no WINS Server
> OR the machines are not all registered with the WINS
> server.
>
> If you have more than one subnet you really need a WINS
> server -- if you have a WINS server then all machines (even
> 'servers') must be WINS Clients on their NIC->IP settings.
>
> If you have more than one WINS Server they must replicate.
>
> Second is DNS resolution -- you can get by without internal
> DNS servers IF you do not have Active Directory but if you
> do then again all machines need to be DNS clients of ONLY
> the same internal DNS server (set).
>
> Internet resolution is usually handled by the internal DNS
> server (set) forwarding to an externally resolving DNS server,
> usually the firewall/DMZ DNS or your ISP DNS server.
>
>
> --
> Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
> Accelerated MCSE
> http://www.LearnQuick.Com
> [phone number on web site]
>
>
>
>
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Anonymous
April 27, 2005 4:36:11 AM

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"jtferron" <suppport@interactivesecuritytraining.com.donotspam1> wrote in
message news:91D6DCC0-C27A-4C3D-B64E-938B283128D6@microsoft.com...
> Hi you need DNS and DHCP for RIS to work, since you are in a different
subnet
> you will also need a dhcp relay agent to respond the the computer you wish
to
> have talk to ris.

I can't think why I didn't mention DHCP in addition
to DNS.

If you have a DHCP server on the net that works then
make sure you have a way for the "other" clients to
get their broadcasts through to the server: Bootp
forwarding on the router OR a relay agent on the
net without a DHCP server.

You also must have a "scope" on the DHCP server
with available addresses that corresponds to each
subnet they serve.

Your router may call the "bootp forwarding" something
else (DNS Helper, IP helper, RFC 1542 compliance...)


--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]
Anonymous
April 28, 2005 1:03:12 AM

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Hi,

In addition to the other answer you must enable bootp broadcast thru the
routers since connecting to a RIS server is a DHCP broadcast.

Leif
PS: This is an Exchange 200x news group

<eldingo> skrev i en meddelelse
news:%232EWXlrSFHA.3464@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Hell friends:
>
> I have setup a RIS on a windows 2003 member server, but I the clients on
> other subnets are not able to communicate with the server. If a client
boots
> up from the same subnet as that of the RIS server it works fine otherwise
> doesn't. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Chow.
>
>
Anonymous
April 28, 2005 1:03:13 AM

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"Leif Pedersen [MVP]" <leif.pedersenNOSPAM@get2net.dk> wrote in message
news:uAJ7pu1SFHA.264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> In addition to the other answer you must enable bootp broadcast thru the
> routers since connecting to a RIS server is a DHCP broadcast.

Is that literally true?

Cannot a relay agent suffice?

Cannot the DHCP instruct the client where to find the
RIS once the client has its IP?
Anonymous
April 28, 2005 11:36:55 PM

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Hi,

A relay agent should also work.

Leif

"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:eQj%23WW5SFHA.3176@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> "Leif Pedersen [MVP]" <leif.pedersenNOSPAM@get2net.dk> wrote in message
> news:uAJ7pu1SFHA.264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Hi,
> >
> > In addition to the other answer you must enable bootp broadcast thru the
> > routers since connecting to a RIS server is a DHCP broadcast.
>
> Is that literally true?
>
> Cannot a relay agent suffice?
>
> Cannot the DHCP instruct the client where to find the
> RIS once the client has its IP?
>
>
>
Anonymous
April 29, 2005 1:44:42 AM

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Yes, you can configure the RIS server address in the router IP helper
tables. You can also use options 60, 66, and 67. See
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;259670

Nick

"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:eQj%23WW5SFHA.3176@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> "Leif Pedersen [MVP]" <leif.pedersenNOSPAM@get2net.dk> wrote in message
> news:uAJ7pu1SFHA.264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>>
>> In addition to the other answer you must enable bootp broadcast thru the
>> routers since connecting to a RIS server is a DHCP broadcast.
>
> Is that literally true?
>
> Cannot a relay agent suffice?
>
> Cannot the DHCP instruct the client where to find the
> RIS once the client has its IP?
>
>
>
Anonymous
April 29, 2005 6:49:25 AM

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"Leif Pedersen [MVP]" <leif.pedersenNOSPAM@get2net.dk> wrote in message
news:o TmkCjBTFHA.2548@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> A relay agent should also work.

What about the referral of the client from the DHCP server
to the RIS server?


--
Herb Martin


>
> Leif
>
> "Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:eQj%23WW5SFHA.3176@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > "Leif Pedersen [MVP]" <leif.pedersenNOSPAM@get2net.dk> wrote in message
> > news:uAJ7pu1SFHA.264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > In addition to the other answer you must enable bootp broadcast thru
the
> > > routers since connecting to a RIS server is a DHCP broadcast.
> >
> > Is that literally true?
> >
> > Cannot a relay agent suffice?
> >
> > Cannot the DHCP instruct the client where to find the
> > RIS once the client has its IP?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
April 30, 2005 4:01:11 AM

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Hi,

Have you seen this?
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;257579

Leif

"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:uwXG$CJTFHA.3264@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> "Leif Pedersen [MVP]" <leif.pedersenNOSPAM@get2net.dk> wrote in message
> news:o TmkCjBTFHA.2548@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > Hi,
> >
> > A relay agent should also work.
>
> What about the referral of the client from the DHCP server
> to the RIS server?
>
>
> --
> Herb Martin
>
>
> >
> > Leif
> >
> > "Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> > news:eQj%23WW5SFHA.3176@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > "Leif Pedersen [MVP]" <leif.pedersenNOSPAM@get2net.dk> wrote in
message
> > > news:uAJ7pu1SFHA.264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > In addition to the other answer you must enable bootp broadcast thru
> the
> > > > routers since connecting to a RIS server is a DHCP broadcast.
> > >
> > > Is that literally true?
> > >
> > > Cannot a relay agent suffice?
> > >
> > > Cannot the DHCP instruct the client where to find the
> > > RIS once the client has its IP?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
May 1, 2005 8:00:43 AM

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"Leif Pedersen [MVP]" <leif.pedersenNOSPAM@get2net.dk> wrote in message
news:uKsiPbQTFHA.612@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> Have you seen this?
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;257579

[The fellow who wrote that article seems a bit confused
(or perhaps muddled is better word) about the difference
between BootP FORWARDING and DHCP RELAY Agents.]

The key is that the original broadcasts have to be transmitted
to the DHCP (and RIS server) on across the router -- this does
not necessarily mean that the router has to allow the broadcasts
nor that the router in particular needs to be a "relay agant".

There is a good article referenced in that first article which
gives the exact sequence of DHCP Discover, Offer, Response
etc to and from both the DHCP and the RIS server:

Description of PXE Interaction Among PXE Client, DHCP, and RIS Server
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/244036/EN-US/


--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]
May 3, 2005 8:48:29 PM

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Thanks for your help.
I am about make changes in DHCP options
So I just type in the IP address of RIS server for option #66 ?
what about option #67 (bootfile Name)?

Thanks again
<eldingo> wrote in message news:%232EWXlrSFHA.3464@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Hell friends:
>
> I have setup a RIS on a windows 2003 member server, but I the clients on
> other subnets are not able to communicate with the server. If a client
> boots up from the same subnet as that of the RIS server it works fine
> otherwise doesn't. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Chow.
>
!