The point of Tanks in war? what is it?

Based on the risks you've just described, I'd rather like you to join a tank regiment.

Wow, that is very informative. Thank you for that. I guess I was thinking to linearly.

Sounds like a tank is a strong force, only when backed up heavily with support. But thats what the armys about right, teamwork.

thanks, now i can discuss this information with some family to make them feel a bit more comfortable with that fact.

"hey, it doesn't look dirty"

"shove your head in to get a better look"

if tanks fired daisies less people would die

absolute classic, peace \/ pike.

Yes Pike, and while we're at it, lets refit the B-52's to drop heavenly scented marigolds on everyone.

Fcuks sake, I've heard some sh!t in my time......

Oh yes, and then the next day we can wake up with russians and Chinese soldiers sitting in our backyard with a beer saying "Thanks for your land"

Pike. Take more drugs, the ones you're on at the moment clearly aren't working.

i say we all join hands and sing.

Pike, Insects have war, Mammals have war, reptiles have war. Ever see lemurs man? 2 packs, trying to kill eachother off, day by day, trying to invade eachothers land.

We are animals, We have urges and needs, feelings, etc. To hold hands and be in peace for the rest of eternity, humans would go mad. Its not in ANY creatures nature to just be at peace for the rest of eternity. We are hunters, our bodies are built for hunting, and killing. We were granted powerful brains due to the lack of built on weaponry like sharp fangs, and claws, speed, etc.

Point is, we will always fight, we will always have wars, we will always have disagreements. simply by argueing with your GF/BF, family, etc is basically a war, in a much smaller form.

You want peace on the world, keep dreaming, the most you can do is be polite to all, respect all, so that you will get that same respect back.

Im with you Pike.

You talk to the heads of state for China, Russia, Korea and India. I'll talk to the US. We wont stop untill they've all agreed to disarm.















Then, when China, Russia, Korea and India have disarmed, we send in the US Marines with the arms weve secretly hidden, rape, pilage and kill every fukcing living thing, then claim the land/natural resourses for the US.

Well, if we are going to eliminate the machinations of killing, lets start with the #1 killing machine on the planet. The automobile.



You turn in yours first.

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War is a part of our existence. If everything was hunky dory then this life would suck, donkey d!ck in fact.

Oh come on. We'd have to completely disassemble civilisation and then eradicate humanity and then start again from single-celled organisms to get rid of war, violence, hatred, anger, envy and greed. And even then they'll come back.

Solution: Live your life as best you can. Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you. And don't - ever - act or think in emotion, you'll only embarrass yourself in the end. [/wishes women would apply the last one]

Well,

As long as there are people around that will reach for violent measures to resolve a conflict with someone else, at the very least counter measures have to be available to apply to these people so that they are deterred from using force.

Personally I prefer to use non-violent means only but I do appreciate any cover that is provided to me which allows me to maintain this attitude.

Pike, as sympathetic as it sounds for all of mankind to agree not to use violent means anymore, how do you propose to protect those that believe in peaceful/non violent resolutions of conflicts against those that do not believe (yet)?

Hello sacre

First off let me say i was mostly joking about the submarines and daisies back there, but in the end it seems it might have had a purpose.

One thing to be aware of is how humans function. We are basically social creatures and therefore we group up and then we conform to the group and blend in. Society does not like opposition. So what i would like to point out is the great majority of the members here are in opposition to the possibility of ending war...all war. But that is just the thoughts, beleifs of a mainstreem group, just as it was not so long ago when the mainstream beleived that the great sailboats of the time would fall off the earth if they ventured too far.

Now sacre, i thank you for your post as it is clear and precise and well written and i'm glad to answer it.

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Quote: "Pike, Insects have war, Mammals have war, reptiles have war. Ever see lemurs man? 2 packs, trying to kill eachother off, day by day, trying to invade eachothers land. "

Answer: Animal behaviour is bound by natural instincts. Scientists admit to not completly understanding all of animal behaviour. It's being discovered that ant societies are far more complex than ever imagined. So these creatures act on instinct, something we don't completly understand, why should we make a parallell between them and us?

Of course we are animals in the sense that our bodies function exactly as other mammals but i'm sure you will agree we do appear to be different in other regards. Not necessarely more important, we have to be carefull with arrogance, but we have dominated and transformed the planet as no other species ever has. However, the question of WHY? beckons itself upon us.

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Quote: "We are animals, We have urges and needs, feelings, etc. To hold hands and be in peace for the rest of eternity, humans would go mad. Its not in ANY creatures nature to just be at peace for the rest of eternity. We are hunters, our bodies are built for hunting, and killing. We were granted powerful brains due to the lack of built on weaponry like sharp fangs, and claws, speed, etc. "

Answer: As far as being animals i'll add this to the above statements. The question to ask yourself is this: "how certain am i that i am nothing more than this body?" to answer this question with personal conviction and not because of what others say you need to have explored it, to have looked into the matter, into yourself, done some earnest soul searching you may say.

Without war the only thing that would go mad is the ego. Perhaps a good example would be this: Can you imagine a family somewhere, anywhere, where the mother and father are deeply in love and have children which they both cheerish profoundly all thought their lives? Can you imagine them being completly unselfish one towards the other and being absolutly supportive to one another?

It may appear as an insurmountable step but extrapolate that to the whole globe...and before the thoughts surge up of fear and seperation...STOP......now you may be aware of the ego-mind....or then again you may not.

The point is, what goes on inside yourself, will reflect onto the outside, onto the outside world. I'll get back to that .

You say in the past we were granted brains to fight against fangs and claws, well that's correct but it was for survival in what was at the time an inhospitable environment for the weal bodied creatures we were. But that was then and now we have evolved. Then we were fighting other species to maintain our survival...that is NOT what war is about today. What war is about today is far different and can be just as easily understood as it can be misunderstood and this is the point i wanted to come back to and will cover your last part of your post.

War has NOT always existed. You musn't mistake war with survival of the species against other species way back then in the time of the cave men.

But war did appear very early and it appeared with man's capacity to gather MORE food than that which he needed in the immediat futur. He began to make reserves of food as described in the oldest records of ancient egyptions and for those so inclined it is also mentionned in the bible but i am not a specialist of that book.

Then what occured remains to this day a deep mystery. GREED appeared. Man began to accumulate more and more from nature well beyond his needs and if you have a good look around you may see that this is what we are up against.

The appearance, the origin of GREED and hense it's explanation is most important in understanding the present state of the world.


peace

Need becomes greed when you take more than you need to survive comfortably and step on those around you to do it.

I agree with that statement and now this question begs to be asked: "What do you need to survive comfortably?"

For Mother Theresa and for Elton John it may not mean the same thing!

I did not answer the question of WHEN?

The question of when is more difficult to deal with.

The best answer i can give is this:

"The turning point of need versus greed is the same turning point of the appearance of the mis-identification of self, one's identity, with things on the outside. The child learns early he has a name, then that this name may have posessions or things associated with it. But first at this stage of childhood the child goes through an interesting period where he does not yet associate his self with the name but he does associate things with that name and understanding that in itself is a doorway to understanding hwy and how there is so much greed, pain and suffering in the world.

Better still, someone shoot Pike. Twice. [/KL]

Can GIVING make for growth of the person in the mental sense?

In simple terms, yes. Regular giving or tithing is believed by many to be an integral part of financial health, and where there's sound financial health, there can be some impact on physical, mental, and spiritual health.

if you need to drink 5 gallons of water a week to be satisfied and you use 255 because you water the lawn to get it nice and green like the neighbors' and you wash your car on sunday to get it nice and shiny for the night out at the restaurent, and all this while your neighbor way over there is dying of thirst and hunger, then i would say THAT' S being greedy

forget the smokescreen of 5 or 6 gallons

ZP wrote:

........"If you don't stand up and defend what belongs to you someone will come and take it away. "


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That isn't always true. I didn't always stand up for my wife and nobody came to take her away.

snif

however i did catch herpes and the doc can't explain how since i never fooled around