am2,am2+,not compatible, im getting pissed

Im getting a little pissed, im regretting not holding out for the core 2, however I was gonna make the best of a bad situation and get a am2+ board and wait for quad core chips to be priced down for us average guys, then i read this:

The new desktop chips will feature AM2+ form-factor and will not be drop-in compatible with existing infrastructure. here is the link for the whole article hopefully i misread itanantech

Amd is screwing people lately in a the same way sony is screwing people with the ps3, empty promises and lies.
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  1. That is going against everything AMD has said for the past six months.
  2. [sarcasm] A very well thought out, spell checked, and previewed topic! [/sarcasm]

    However, it has already been discussed here:

    http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/hate-AMD-move-ftopict214573.html
  3. I havent had coffee yet, this is not gonna be a sun shiny happy day, a guy can only get so many upgrades before a wife starts to notice, im gonna take this am2 fiasco as a lost and hopefully build a intel quad setup by mid 2007.
  4. You would be surprised at what a guy can upgrade infront of his wife. ;) If she is blonde enough that is!!. I did my Video Card, Mobo, RAM, and Proc right in front of her!! I just told her I was cleaning out my case and flushing out the watercooler!!! The only thing she really noticed was when she turned her computer on later that night. I think her exact quote was. "Wow! I didn't think that you blowing the dust out my computer would make it run this much faster!!" Needless to say she got my old components. Donating my old stuff to her takes away the guilt!!!
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    I havent had coffee yet, this is not gonna be a sun shiny happy day, a guy can only get so many upgrades before a wife starts to notice, im gonna take this am2 fiasco as a lost and hopefully build a intel quad setup by mid 2007.


    I hear ya. Do consider whether or not you will need 4 cores. I just recently upgraded to dual-core because of the pending multi-core update for CounterStrike: Souce. If you don't run software that is highly threaded you'll have to MEGATASK to take advantage of all the PLATFORMANCE that a quad core setup (AMD or Intel) can provide.

    Also, around mid-2007 AMD might be paper-launching their K8L chips. I'd wait to see the benchies on those to see if they can take back the performance crown.
  6. don't read into that x-bit article too much, there basing ther assumption off of the roadmap which says nothing about not being compatible. AMD has announced themselves it would be, but your AM2+ won't be able to utilize the newer features in an AM2 board because the chipsets won't support the added features. Based off that one would assume current AM2 chips would work just peachy in a AM2+ mobo because the same thing applies as with AM2+ into AM2, extra features not supported.

    and i'm with TC i can't wait for the multi-core support on CS:Source
  7. The only notable "extra feature" is HT3.0, and honestly that shouldn't make any difference, or at least not a significant one. No need to upgrade to an AM2+ mobo if you've already got a good AM2 version.
  8. I have told my wife enough about computers that she is getting harder to trick, when i went from 939 to am2, she came down while i was setting up the bios, she looked at me and said "didnt your computer used to say foxconn!", so i told her that i added some drivers from asus, and thats why it said that.
    On another note, i dont actually need quad core i imagine, but im sure i want it , i use nero7.5 ultra, and divx 6 a lot, and those two programs take advantage of multicore. plus when i saw that quadfx demo that was encoding 2 hd movies, playing battlefield 2142, and ripping mp3, i knew i had to have it sooner than later, within budget of course.
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    I have told my wife enough about computers that she is getting harder to trick, when i went from 939 to am2, she came down while i was setting up the bios, she looked at me and said "didnt your computer used to say foxconn!", so i told her that i added some drivers from asus, and thats why it said that.


    ROTFLMAO - Used the old bios trick myself.

    Yes, that is hilarious. I don't think my wife would ever be so observant!
  10. My understanding is Am2+ chips drop-in to AM2 boards. Of course there will be some features of the 2+ chips that will not be active in the plain 2 boards, but you still can have the 2+ chips drop-in to your old 2 board I believe. I've seen this a few places.
  11. LOL, we're all terrible people deceiving our wives, but its so much easier than justifying a new purchase.
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    LOL, we're all terrible people deceiving our wives, but its so much easier than justifying a new purchase.


    All y'all had best make sure you dont walk away from your screens with this thread up. If your wives read how youve been deceiving them its gonna be expensive new diamond pendant retribution time. That\ll put the hurt on your new dx10 card upgrades
  13. I'd go bankrupt!! My wife would want retribution for every upgrade I've done so far!! The last computer she knows and has approved of my buying was old P3 CuMine 600. I have gone through a whole seriese of T-Breds, Bartons, a S754, and now onto my DC Optie!!
  14. Lol, you guys have it lucky. I'm 17, no wife (duh!), and living off my dad's money while going to college. Gonna be kind of hard to explain to him why $500 dollars disappeared off my bank account while "touching up" my computer.
  15. Just syphon it slowly. Squirl it away and before you know it, kabam!!! Upgrade time!! 8O
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    The only notable "extra feature" is HT3.0, and honestly that shouldn't make any difference, or at least not a significant one. No need to upgrade to an AM2+ mobo if you've already got a good AM2 version.


    There is also the split plane voltages. This allows each core to be throttled independently.
  17. Yeah, but the I might not be able to handle the guilt...
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    Lol, you guys have it lucky. I'm 17, no wife (duh!), and living off my dad's money while going to college. Gonna be kind of hard to explain to him why $500 dollars disappeared off my bank account while "touching up" my computer.


    You think you're unlucky? I'll trade places with you if you want. :wink:
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    I'd go bankrupt!! My wife would want retribution for every upgrade I've done so far!! The last computer she knows and has approved of my buying was old P3 CuMine 600. I have gone through a whole seriese of T-Breds, Bartons, a S754, and now onto my DC Optie!!


    Now thats funny :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Honest hon, its the same old computer....
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    I havent had coffee yet, this is not gonna be a sun shiny happy day, a guy can only get so many upgrades before a wife starts to notice, im gonna take this am2 fiasco as a lost and hopefully build a intel quad setup by mid 2007.

    LOL we will look forward to your raging post, about this time next year, when Intel announces it is releasing a new socket for 2008

    Quote:
    Im getting a little pissed, im regretting not holding out for the core 2, however I was gonna make the best of a bad situation and get a am2+ board and wait for quad core chips to be priced down for us average guys, then i read this:

    AM2 released Feb 2006, lets assume the article is correct and AM2 dies out in Q3 of 2007(which is unlikely). Thats 1.5 years on the same socket.
    C2D released July 2006, expected to change sockets in 2008. Well what do you know, 1.5 years.

    Quote:
    The new desktop chips will feature AM2+ form-factor and will not be drop-in compatible with existing infrastructure. here is the link for the whole article hopefully i misread itanantech

    I'm surprised that no one has commented on this guys link. WTF were you trying to do here? Im guessing this was some sort of attempt at making your post more credible by using anandtech in the link while redirecting the user to a lousy half written xbit news flash that reads like its been translated from another language.


    ***Warning***
    Nothing against xbit labs or C2D but the article was horrible.
  21. http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=31913
    I'm pretty sure AM2 came in ~May. And Nehalem socket is coming late 2008 so you might wanna recalculate those numbers.
  22. Booooo hooooo I can't use my socket S939 motherboard with the K10 processors coming out in <insert distant future date>. :roll: Geez the motherboard is one of the cheapest components in the computer and is easy to change out..............
  23. ok may '06 to lets say sep '07? 1.42 years.

    if it is compatible (which is more likely than this post seeing as their is a tapeout of quadcore for AM2 already) then the next question mark will be 2H08(AM3), which would extend the figure to 2 yrs.
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    Lol, you guys have it lucky. I'm 17, no wife (duh!), and living off my dad's money while going to college. Gonna be kind of hard to explain to him why $500 dollars disappeared off my bank account while "touching up" my computer.


    You think you're unlucky? I'll trade places with you if you want. :wink:
    Yeah, that's like me saying "You think YOU have it bad? I have a wife with tons of money, so every time I need a new PC I have to ask her for one! It SUCKS!" ;)

    On a serious note, my fiancé (we're getting married tomorrow) could care less if I buy new stuff, but she probably wouldn't really notice either. If my BIOS suddenly said ASUS she would never know.

    Of course, I don't think any of us could sneak in a 4X4 upgrade. All of our significant others would notice when the electricity bill doubles and you can boil an egg on the nightstand it's so hot in the house. :lol:
  25. Just have to be creative, remember all the shoes & clothes that she buys & explain it away that way. Always worked on the girlfriend, as soon is I would start up a tally on her stuff she drops the subject & doesn't say a word. Plus I think she liked getting the stuff i replaced.
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    Booooo hooooo I can't use my socket S939 motherboard with the K10 processors coming out in <insert distant future date>. :roll: Geez the motherboard is one of the cheapest components in the computer and is easy to change out..............


    Unfortuately its not just the mobo dude, its gonna be ram too.
    Plus, the mobo is not one of the cheapest components in the computer. Especially if you go w/ AMD right now:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131146

    Oh, and last time I checked swapping out a CPU is easier than swapping out a mobo.

    This is like me saying "yeah, so what if nVidia's new GPUs require a new monitor? It's like totally easy to buy a new monitor!" <-- yeah, it's easy, but wouldn't it be better if you didn't have to buy a new monitor?
  27. Careful what you teach your so called blond wifes and girl friends :o ...When I would upgrade at first she didn't know how to get to solitare by herself,now shes finding cpus with great steppings on ebay...who knew...AS far as AMD,another no new taxes speech,we should be used to this as carnivorous as we are for new hardware :twisted: .
  28. I see that somebody rated my post as 1 star. How mature of you! Hilarious that you don't have anything to say though.
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    I see that somebody rated my post as 1 star. How mature of you! Hilarious that you don't have anything to say though.


    Dude, you should be at your bachelor party instead of worrying about who gave you a 1 star. :lol:

    Congrats anyway LOL.
  30. He doesn't need to goto his Bachelor Party. All the strippers in town are at my place for our own party!!! :wink:
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    On a serious note, my fiancé (we're getting married tomorrow) could care less if I buy new stuff, but she probably wouldn't really notice either. If my BIOS suddenly said ASUS she would never know.


    Congrats and best wishes, mate.
  32. I hope you lot a kidding. If not I Must be very unusual, I just went to my wife and said I needed to update my computer and we sat down and worked out how to fit it in to the family budget.
    Please tell me I,m not the only being honest with my wife :oops: :oops: :oops:
  33. You're either incredibly brave or incredibly stupid. LOL JK. It's good that you can be honest with your wife like that. I just know that if I told her I needed an upgrade she would tell me, after we pay off the house, I want a new ring, we never had a honeymoon, blah blah blah you get the rest. This way, we are both happy and I can be honest about the important things. But remember, if she ever asks you if a pair of pants makes her look fat NEVER EVER TELL HER "NO IT'S YOUR FAT THAT MAKES YOU LOOK FAT" Just tell her she's absolutely stunning!! :wink:
  34. Maybeso Maybeso. :lol: :lol: If I don't like something I simply don,t ask or don't answer. She's happy with that. I still don,t know what her wedding dress cost, thats after 5 years. Don't want to know. Works well with us. 8) 8)
  35. I told people this when AM2 came out. I have no idea why people bought it thinking they would get more performance. It offered nothing more than skt 939.
    Considering how much cheaper DDR was vs DDR2 at the time, it made AM2 even more unattractive. Now as predicted AMD are moving on because thats how technology works.

    The "future proof" idea can work however, but don't expect it to work over generations of processors.

    I've done it a few times

    K6-2 300 to K6-2 500
    Athlon XP 1700 to Athlon XP 2800
  36. Wasn't that the K6/3 500? I had the K6/3 500, but other then that I had pretty much all the same procs as you (and a whole lot more. In ways it paid to be a tech at a medium sized IT service provider got my parts at cost!!) But just think, if I had self control how much money I could have saved for just 1 big upgrade a year!! :oops:

    I think the defenition of "Future Proof" in the Computer Industry should read:

    Future Proof (fyou tyou r prewf) 1. A misleading marketing ploy used by manufacturers of computer components. 2. A gaurantee that your components will be current, and or work with current technologies for atleast 6 months.

    Huh? What you guys think? :evil:
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    Wasn't that the K6/3 500? I had the K6/3 500, but other then that I had pretty much all the same procs as you (and a whole lot more. In ways it paid to be a tech at a medium sized IT service provider got my parts at cost!!) But just think, if I had self control how much money I could have saved for just 1 big upgrade a year!! :oops:

    I think the defenition of "Future Proof" in the Computer Industry should read:

    Future Proof (fyou tyou r prewf) 1. A misleading marketing ploy used by manufacturers of computer components. 2. A gaurantee that your components will be current, and or work with current technologies for atleast 6 months.

    Huh? What you guys think? :evil:


    There was also the K6-III at the very end of Socket 7's lifetime. I had the K6-2 though. There was K6-2+ also.

    Your definition is about right. I didn't buy my core2 expecting it to last tbh, thats because i bought a cheap mobo and wanted my ddr and gfx to last :p I think i futureproofed there. Who knows though, maybe in 2 years i'll be able to drop a quad core into this board and a silly cheap price :D
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    You're either incredibly brave or incredibly stupid. LOL JK. It's good that you can be honest with your wife like that. I just know that if I told her I needed an upgrade she would tell me, after we pay off the house, I want a new ring, we never had a honeymoon, blah blah blah you get the rest. This way, we are both happy and I can be honest about the important things. But remember, if she ever asks you if a pair of pants makes her look fat NEVER EVER TELL HER "NO IT'S YOUR FAT THAT MAKES YOU LOOK FAT" Just tell her she's absolutely stunning!! :wink:


    Yeah, that's a good reply! Works well.

    Honestly, when the wife asks if her outfit makes her look fat, you have a few damage control options:

    1) Pretend that you didn't hear her. This is the newbie default response. Not very good at all but doesn't require practice, experience, or money.

    2) Quickly present her with the piece of "carry" jewelry that you have ready to go at a moment's notice.

    Remember how cops always have small "carry" pistols that they can place in the hand of an unarmed, dead suspect after they shot him to make that shooting look justified? Husbands need to have a piece of "carry" jewelry to distract the wife or girlfriend when they screw up or get confronted with a no-win question like the "do I look fat" thing.

    3) Ask her if she is wearing makeup 'cause she looks so good.

    4) Cover your eyes and ask her to turn down the amperage on her halo.

    5) Say "mmmmmmm" and start ripping off your clothes like you're going to do something special. You know that nothing will happen but you're trying to fire off a distraction shot to give you time to escape.

    11 Years of marriage and these techniques still work. Also, read the book Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. It'll let you know what the heck she is talking about when she uses words like "empathy", "validation", and "feelings".

    As far as upgrades are concerned, the siphoning money a little at a time technique works very well. If you get caught, then suggest the $$$ was for a secret present for her...which it is, technically, since a faster PC will let her shop on Ebay a lot quicker.
  39. ROFLMAO Those are some of the best ideas I have ever heard!! Gonna try them on the next go round. I did use the "no your fat makes you look fat" line on her. It's amazing how dry and cold they become for quite a long time after that. The other people in the office were all looking at me like I was insane from laughing so hard at your post. I especially liked the small cary gun!! :wink:
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    Booooo hooooo I can't use my socket S939 motherboard with the K10 processors coming out in <insert distant future date>. :roll: Geez the motherboard is one of the cheapest components in the computer and is easy to change out..............


    Unfortuately its not just the mobo dude, its gonna be ram too.
    Plus, the mobo is not one of the cheapest components in the computer. Especially if you go w/ AMD right now:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131146

    Oh, and last time I checked swapping out a CPU is easier than swapping out a mobo.


    Yeah, of course it's expensive if you want to go Dual Socket FX.

    There are plenty of cheap single socket solutions out there.

    And yes a CPU is easier than a mobo, but mobos are NOT hard to swap out...
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