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Good find.

Looks like R600 will be new king.

Although I doubt the credibility of the site. :?

Reply to prozac26
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630$
And how!?
Hope the price/performance is true.

Performance trade. Bettn' it's legit :??[scratches]
http://level505.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/ati-r600-bf2-16001200.jpg
http://level505.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/ati-r600-hl2lc-16001200.jpg

Reply to blacken
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Good find.



Although I doubt the credibility of the site. :?



Yeah me too. I will remain a skeptic until more reviews surface :D For now I love my 8800GTX :lol:

Reply to RobsX2
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Looks pretty good so far, cant wait for the release. but where the hell are the pics of the thing?!

Reply to apt403
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Now thats a good question.
Hey, I'd throw the benchmarks at a forieqn website first too. :roll:

Reply to blacken
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Interesting read. They did not say anything about a second level card so I assume they will offer just the one model. Since i won't pay 600+ for a GPU, my 8800GTS will have to do.

Reply to haywood
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Something really weird is that in this benches oblivion is not playable fluently but there is a movie in youtube of a gay that plays oblivion on 1600*1200 res and all the filters all the way up and it plays smoth personally I think it's a fake!

Reply to kobim
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Something really weird is that in this benches oblivion is not playable fluently but there is a movie in youtube of a gay that plays oblivion on 1600*1200 res and all the filters all the way up and it plays smoth personally I think it's a fake!



Hell yeah thats what I am thinking. My friend plays Oblivion on his wide screen 1680X1050 with his 8800GTX and his frames are anywhere from low's of only 38fps in the thickest parts of the forest to 60-70fps walking along the trails. Thats with everything maxed out in game plus 8XAA and 16XAF with drivers on high quality to boot.

Reply to RobsX2

My votes gonna be FAKE!

If you go to the homepage of that website, There is only one article, the R600 one. And if you check their information, the terms were updates on the 28th of this month.

-DW

Reply to DiamondWraith

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Looks pretty good so far, cant wait for the release. but where the hell are the pics of the thing?!



thats why i think the review is total bull sh17. they dont show pics of the card to prove that they actually have it, so for all we know, the whole review is a waste of time.

Reply to lambofgode3x
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My votes gonna be FAKE!

If you go to the homepage of that website, There is only one article, the R600 one. And if you check their information, the terms were updates on the 28th of this month.

-DW



If this turns out to be fake which it is looking to be then what a bunch of dumb FAGGOTS. :roll:

Reply to RobsX2
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Something really weird is that in this benches oblivion is not playable fluently but there is a movie in youtube of a gay that plays oblivion on 1600*1200 res and all the filters all the way up and it plays smoth personally I think it's a fake!



I'm betting 2500 dollars worth of an oc'ed Quad Core and SLi 88GTX's would do that trick. :wink:

Reply to blacken
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Something really weird is that in this benches oblivion is not playable fluently but there is a movie in youtube of a gay that plays oblivion on 1600*1200 res and all the filters all the way up and it plays smoth personally I think it's a fake!



I'm betting 2500 dollars worth of an oc'ed Quad Core and SLi 88GTX's would do that trick. :wink:

Nah, read my other post involving my friends setup. Its not 1600X1200 but its close enough that it would not be a big diff if any at all.

Reply to RobsX2

No pictures of the card, software, or anything else leads me to think this is a bunch of BS. :?

Reply to Heyyou27
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The only good reason that I can think of for no pictures is if there was an agreement not to show the thing before the release date. If so, the tests might be real. The tested card may also not be the standard retail one. Too many questions here to believe the article as it stands, even if it is true.

Reply to Sailer

I'm just waiting for the x1900xtx to go down in price

Reply to MEGAWATTZ2000
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Hard to say if its fake or not huh? I wouldnt like to call it either way

Reply to parge
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Even if they had a non-disclosure aggreement they would not be able to publish the results anyway, and also why would they have a R600 and other, more popular, sites don't have any?

I don't think it's real.

Reply to godman
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That was the only valid reason I could think of, a non-disclosure that allowed a sample test, but no pictures. I really have my doubts this is real as well, but who among us really knows? We'll just have to wait until some other reputable sites start publishing reviews to know for sure, or wait until the card gets publically released, whichever comes first.

Reply to Sailer

This has me torn. As I am an ATi fanboy at heart, I want to believe it. But then again, all of the signs are there for it being a fake piece of shi*.

Only way that WE can find out if it is true, is to have someone with a comparable rig (that has one of the cards that the R600 was tested against) perform some of the tests to see if it is possible.

Reply to mcain591
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This has me torn. As I am an ATi fanboy at heart, I want to believe it. But then again, all of the signs are there for it being a fake piece of shi*.

Only way that WE can find out if it is true, is to have someone with a comparable rig (that has one of the cards that the R600 was tested against) perform some of the tests to see if it is possible.



That's hard to test, you dont know wich part of the game they used for the benchmarking.

But it doesnt mather any way, we still have to wait till we can buy these cards. And real benchmarks will arive when ati is ready for it.

Personally i dont believe those benchmarks. But they have made it up pretty well. It looks like it can really be like that.

But we'll see 8)

Reply to FeareX

But then again, it does make sense. Why would ATi take all of this extra time to release the R600, and not make a card that can whoop nVidias a$$?
So, even if it isn't true, I personally would say that the R600 will be better than the G80. But that's just me.

Reply to mcain591

Alrighty. Here are some benchmarks:

Specs: C2D E6700 stock speeds, 2GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 4-4-4-12 , eVGA 8800 GTX

Settings:
[*:6a95e755a1]Tips (iPreloadSizeLimit=104857600, bUseWaterReflectionsStatics=1, bUseWaterReflectionsTrees=1, bForceFullLOD=1, iMinGrassSize=120) from here.
[*:6a95e755a1]Resolution: 1680x1050
[*:6a95e755a1]4xAA (forced in NVidia control panel), 16xAS, HDR
[*:6a95e755a1]Full Distance Sliders, Large Texture Sizes, and Max Shaders
[*:6a95e755a1]Open Cities Mod (Gives a large performance hit around cities - disabling this mod vastly increased fps)


Screenshots (with FPS shown in upper right corner):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/NumenorLord/In-Game%20Screenshots/OblivionScreenshot1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/NumenorLord/In-Game%20Screenshots/OblivionScreenshot2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/NumenorLord/In-Game%20Screenshots/OblivionScreenshot3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/NumenorLord/In-Game%20Screenshots/OblivionScreenshot5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/NumenorLord/In-Game%20Screenshots/OblivionScreenshot4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/NumenorLord/In-Game%20Screenshots/OblivionScreenshot6.jpg

I think that R600 Vs. 8800 GTX test is a bunch of B.S.

Reply to NumenorLord

One question why no pic of the card and how did these largely unknowns get it first? The result seem more or less plausible though.

Reply to bydesign
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My votes gonna be FAKE!

If you go to the homepage of that website, There is only one article, the R600 one. And if you check their information, the terms were updates on the 28th of this month.

-DW



Their homepage as you mentioned - probably was just created -
Disclaimer - updated 28 Dec 2006
About Us - updated 28 Dec 2006

It's a Fake - it was nice - while it lasted

Reply to tmac
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Heh, someone from HardForum took the time to decifer the site. Apparently it was created 2 days ago and is hosted by godaddy.com :lol:
People stare at bars as if it is food, a few clicks through his links and he'l be eating out.

Reply to blacken

My screenies show I average about 55 fps in Oblivion at 1680x1050 with some added things that cause performance hits (increase water visuals, added Open Cities mod which equaled a big hit to performance). It won't let me go above 60 fps in Oblivion (I'm sure that's a setting I can disable somewhere though), but still, let's do some math:

1680x1050=1,764,000 pixels
1600x1200=1,920,000 pixels

The difference really isn't that large, certainly not enough to make the latter drop in performance to a mere 35% of the original. Besides, Tom's showed that the 8800GTX can almost handle Oblivion at 2560x1600 with smooth performance.

Reply to NumenorLord
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Aww man, I was pretty excited when I saw this (8800 price drops!) but looks like I might have to wait a little longer :(

Reply to Valtiel
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Do you think the GTS will handle Supreme Commander at 1680x1050 with a load of eye candy on? (sorry to hijack the thread)

Reply to parge

had high hopes it would be genuine but after looking at a few of the results like the HL2 and oblivon ones i doubted it as the 19050 crossfire ones were lower than my own so regardless of if they actually had one they still screwed up the testing.

still, i doubt it will be long before genuine ones show up. doesn't really affect me as i ain't upgrading just yet or indeed for a few months at least.

Reply to strangestranger
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It fake (for the millionth time, sorry) r600 will be faster than this based on the memory bandwidth figure of 140GB/s which seems to be consistant around the web, thats if it is true. They wouldnt make a chip with a memory bandwidth that high unless it needed it! (8800GTX memory bandwidth is 86.4GB/s). The DDR3 version has been cancelled, theres several articles on www.theinquirer.net and www.hexus.net. Search for r600 :)

For the guy asking about SupCom, get a fast dual core CPU, and you should be well away with any high end-ish graphics card! A DirectX 10 card would also be of use as SupCom will be released supporting both 9 and 10.

Im waiting for the r600 release, regardless of whats more powerful price drops are inevitable :)

Reply to aron311

GDDR3? lol.

I dont expect to see anything until after the new year. But middle of Janurary be looking for a storm of new info to hit.

Reply to raven_87
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ahh I too am excited for SupCom But I think it might be more CPU intensive. They used the beta ver of SupCom to benchmark a quad core vs a dual core and the dual core scored ~53 FPS and the quad core scored ~70 FPS so it will indeed be multithreaded. I'll link the article later if you would like to see it(or it might be a forum).

Reply to Valtiel
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Yes GDDR3 :)

DDR3 we will be waiting slightly longer for :wink:

Reply to aron311

On one hand, the results are what's about expected. Slightly better performance for R600 over 8800s. Thing is that at release time, 8800s will be selling at or below $550US and R600 will be selling at a premium. In addition nV will be countering with 8900 shortly thereafter. Looks like it will be a GPU leap-frog game as usual.

On the other hand, the Oblivion results look a bit off and no card photos. Also interesting there are no high res/widscreen tests. This could just be a well orchestrated fake...

Reply to harmattan

230 Watts? Intel just got rid of those Preslers and Smithfields for a good reason. Somone just tell AMD that more isn´t always better. 8O

Reply to Slobogob
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Power consumption range from 130W to 225W.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeo [...] onsumption

Id guess in the middle of this estimate, its a massive ~700million transistor chip but made on a smaller 80nm process, and with less power hungry GDDR4 memory.

What does the 8800GTX eat idle and under load anybody?

Verndewd, can you enlighten me please :)

Reply to aron311

Anandtech ran that same article yesterday dec 30th.

Quote :

When DailyTech contacted the site owner to get verification of the benchmarks, the owner replied that the benchmark screenshots could not be published due to origin-specific markers that would trace the card back to its source -- the author mentioned the card is part of the Microsoft Vista driver certification program.

If Level505's comments seem a little too pro-ATI, don't be too surprised. When asked if the site was affiliated in any way to ATI or AMD, the owner replied to DailyTech with the statement that "two staff members of ours are directly affiliated with AMD's business [development] division."

Reply to PCAnalyst
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ahh I too am excited for SupCom But I think it might be more CPU intensive. They used the beta ver of SupCom to benchmark a quad core vs a dual core and the dual core scored ~53 FPS and the quad core scored ~70 FPS so it will indeed be multithreaded. I'll link the article later if you would like to see it(or it might be a forum).



Hmm very interesting *strokes virtual beard*

I replacing my 3 year old rig in Summer and Supcom is the game I want to play the most (I have the Total Annihilation soundtrack as my ringtone!) so I want to build my rig around it, seems in this case money into a faster processor as opposed to graphics card might be well placed. Would like to see that article if you get a chance.

Reply to parge
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(sorry for the thread hijack)

Here is the forum: Clicky

Yeah SupCom looks like an awesome game so far to me because I like HUGE units to blow crap up :). (Don't we all?) Although Command & Conquer is starting to look more and more appealing than SupCom :)

Reply to Valtiel
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This thread was dead/answered anyway!

I have to say I am still far more excited about Supcom than C&C, Supcoms doing something new, and Chris Taylor is behind it, C&C is just recycling old (but good all the same) stuff, and upgrading the engine as far as I can see!

Reply to parge
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if the glove don't fit you must acquit.

Reply to axilon
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the Benchmark looks great....hope its true.......because I am planning on getting one for my New System should be done by the 2/3 month of '07.

also all the R600 searches i did only comes up with rumors......I also ran across that there was NDA discloser on R600 until the release of Vista which will make R600 (ddr3) than around march it will be (ddr4) ofcourse this is all rumors for the time being.

Reply to secunda

Until DX10 and the R600 appear, it's a risky business buying an 8800 series card. Apparently, only 1/3 of the die of the 8800 is there for DX10 - it almost looks like the card is a top-flight DX9 card with some DX10 functionality added.

Won't it be hilarious if DX10 appears and the 88000 is a flop??

Reply to Ford_Prefect
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Quote :

Until DX10 and the R600 appear, it's a risky business buying an 8800 series card. Apparently, only 1/3 of the die of the 8800 is there for DX10 - it almost looks like the card is a top-flight DX9 card with some DX10 functionality added.

Won't it be hilarious if DX10 appears and the 88000 is a flop??





Hmmmmm.........

You realize that a full DX10 game will not exist for several years? First you will need Vista, The earliest versions will not even have DX10 as it will be an add-on later. You will then need a GPU that can process the DX10 instructions.

M$ will continue to support XP for several years and most users won't upgrade unless they have to. Since XP will not support DX10, game companies will need to produce what they can sell, DX9/10 combos. No game devleoper is going to force a $600+ upgrade on users.

Edit: Don't know how the 8800's could be a flop. They are the two fastest single cards on the market running DX9, they just happen to have the ability to run DX10. By the time you will really need a DX10 card for gaming, year or two, there will be something better.

Reply to haywood
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We're not even so sure how power thirsty the first applications of DX10 will be. Read a article recently at anandtech stating that DX10 is looking more like an evolutionary step more than revolutionary.

It's gonna take some time for the developers to utilize DX10 - by the time it's done right, we should have, again, whole new set of graphics cards to combat it.

Reply to blacken
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Ford_Prefect i agree. Dont forget the complete lack of a 64 bit driver in any form on the 8800GT S/X with DirectX 10 so far. As well as Nvidia's habit of deleting forum discussions on their website relating to problems with their hardware they would rather not have to fix! Although i guess ATI is taking freeking ages getting their card out with constant respins, somebody forgetting to connect the pathways letting the chip talk to the rest of the graphics card, D'oh!

Bitching aside, im on the SupCom beta, its fantastic :) C&C looks pretty good too (please dont fuck it up EA) :) I might just get both hehe

Games like Crysis (DX10 only?) and SupCom (which will definately work better with DX10) will persuade people to upgrade in the long run i would guess? If any good game runs way better and with more effects on DX10 then enthusiasts will jump right in, and thats what its offering right?

Reply to aron311

Nope, missed out on that.
I found that recently AMD doesn´t have much to say that´s worth listening to (or reading). They hyped the 4x4 which not only came short of everyones expectations but was a total disaster at launch, their new 65mn CPUs aren´t the wonder chips the amd fanbase tried to make them and finally they totally messed up their xp processor ratings. Now "if" this review is true or just indicative of what´s to come, then i won´t read anything but the most prominent headlines about amd for quite some time since they obviously lost touch with what they should be doing. :?

Reply to Slobogob
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Anyone purchasing a G80 only for the purpose of DX10 is a moron. Period.
I bought mine because of how much ass it kicks in Oblivion and other demanding DX9 titles. Yes Im a graphics whore and proud of it! I like to run all the eye candy on high with blazing frame rates and refuse to have it any other way. :D

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