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January 1, 2007 3:43:07 PM

I'm building a budget PC for $1,000 USD or less and it is for gaming. As of now the only game I play is Neverwinter Nights 2. I've put together a list, please suggest any changes. $1,000 is all I could get approved through Congress (my wife) so please keep this in mind.


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Case: COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum Bezel, SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $50

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $119

Processor Intel E6400 - Retail $224

Video Card SAPPHIRE 100186L Radeon X1950XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail $250

Ram OCZ 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2P8001GK - Retail $128

Power Supply CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply - Retail $120

HD Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM - $80

DVD LITE-ON Black 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with 12X DVD-RAM write and LightScribe - OEM - $40

Monitor Will reuse 17" LCD

CPU Cooler Tuniq Tower 120 P4 & K8 CPU Cooler - Retail $55

Grand Total: $1066

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**Edit**
I have revised the list after all of the helpful information. Please look this over and let me know what you think.

Happy New Year!! Thanks for advise and assistance. :D 

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January 1, 2007 4:02:12 PM

Well if your rig is a real gaming rig then I would change the cpu and get a E6300 simply to save money. You can always OC in the futur. The motherboard, get a gigabyte S3 because its cheaper and better than the msi. Perhaps only get 1gb ram for the moment then upgrade later.

Now for the gfx card I would definatley change, depending on how much you can spend either get:
ATI X1950pro ~$200
ATI x1900XT ~$250
or jump straight to the 8800GTS ~$400

Although I would advise the x1900XT. Hope this helps :wink:
January 1, 2007 5:02:04 PM

Word has it the PSUs that come as a combo in a case, aren't very good. Although Antec makes a decent PSU, the ones that come with the combo usually aren't very good.

That being said, I ran one from an Antec case for 4 years. But I think that's what died and took the rest of my system with it.
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January 1, 2007 7:44:07 PM

Thanks a lot guys, I have taken your suggestions into play and I'm currently revamping the list. The forums have been extremely helpful. It's been about 3 years since my last system and I didn't keep up with the hardware changes. Please keep the suggestions coming.
January 1, 2007 9:44:41 PM

Do you oc or not? zat iz ze question


If you do oc, then completely ditch the 6300, for 40 more, then 6400 is the price:p erformance cpu (people are hitting 4ghz with those). Then I'd throw in a tuniq tower for an extra 50 and replace the corsair with ocz platinum, more performance plus heatspreaders, same price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
or if you can afford it, my personal price:p erformance ram (really wish I had some right about now :wink: )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
And the rest is fine.

If you don't oc, then stick with the same stuff you have already, except maybe still get the ocz ram and the 6400. You can get your ocz ram to runn at 1066 so you can get the full speed of your memory at stock speeds, and the 6400 just kills the 6300 in every way, ocability, price:p erformance, I like it and not the 6300 (yes, I am that important-j/k :wink: )
January 1, 2007 10:30:10 PM

I didn't plan to overclock, because I don't know much about it. I take it the two 512 chips run faster than the 1 gig chip due to the dual channel? I will definitely go back to the E6400. Forgive me for my lack of knowledge. You guys are very kind to help.
January 1, 2007 10:39:38 PM

If you don't oc or game, then go with the value (although I will constantly say 6400 for the speed it has and in case you ever want to try ovreclcocking). And there is no need to forgive you for lack of knowledge, as you have not done anything bad you just need to learn and we're all glad to teach here (we don't bite as far as I know :wink: , though you may want to find a better mentor than me, as I may know quite a bit, but I'm only fourteen and still learning from some of the smarter guys here).

We can teach you how to oc if you want, because the board you have is pretty good at ocing because it runs cools, but don't feel like you have to. And I agree with going dual channel if your not ocing.
January 1, 2007 10:48:19 PM

I'd love to oc as long as it's stable and I don't run into any heating issues. I'm not into setting land speed records, just getting the most for my money. I'm sure I can figure out the overclocking procedure, just not sure of the parts I need to be successful. So by adding the after tuniq cooler and the 2-512 ocz chips, I'll be able to overclock?
January 1, 2007 11:12:57 PM

you can take that 6400 to the sky if you want to (just be sure to watch out for planes 8O -I;m iranian, so I can make that joke, and not, I am not in any way related to them evil people bush been tryin' to kill)

I will help you with the procedure, and the tuniq tower shall keep you as cool as a cheap water cooler
January 1, 2007 11:25:38 PM

Awesome, I'm so excited. It looks like I'm going to have a hard time finding the tuniq tower, everyone is out of stock.

That's good that you aren't related to the radicals but even it you were they have a hard time getting to you with the kitty in your avatar guarding you. :lol: 
January 1, 2007 11:31:47 PM

hah! I needed a good laugh right about now. Just wait on the tuniq tower a few days, there's a reason why it is completely sold out

I am going to warn you though, don't expect 4ghz unless you can afford a 680i board, and since I have already strectched your budget (they're another hundred over the gigabite, which should hit a nice 3.4ghz, but you could do better is all) I won't recommend you to get it unless you can drop something like the case and psu and reuse one until you can get new ones
January 2, 2007 12:03:14 AM

Unfortunately I don't have anything I can reuse. My current power supply is only a 300W and I'm hesitant to use the cheesy case I have now. I'll take the boost to 3.4 and count my blessings. You and everyone have been most helpful in my quest to upgrade. Btw, my current box is:

AMD 2500+
1 Gig of ram
Radeon 9600xt
160 GB HD

As you can see, I can't wait to upgrade.
January 2, 2007 12:08:52 AM

Yeah, I see, guess 4ghz is out of the question, but you can expect about 3.4ghz, which still beats a 6300 with a 680i (most hit 3.3 or 3.2)
January 2, 2007 12:29:35 AM

well, if i were you, i'd skip intel all together. athlons are cheaper, and in your case, they'll do just fine. if i were you, i'd get a better psu...i suggest a thermaltake or a Forton Source. I don't trust MSI either, but i suppose its fine.
January 2, 2007 12:35:15 AM

FrozenLead, thanks for you replay. You are correct, Athlons are less expensive but the only thing I was sure of when I started this was the C2Ds. It was a question the E6300 or E6400. The power supply I'm still researching. I'd hate to lose my new rig due to a cheap power supply. Thanks again.
January 2, 2007 6:29:13 AM

For the PSU get a thermaltake or enermax for top quality. Around 500W should be enough to OC and upgrade in the futur although you might wanna get 600
January 2, 2007 2:26:19 PM

I have revised the list (see 1st post) and let me know what you think?
January 2, 2007 4:09:20 PM

Don't know if it's true, but I read on another thread that Intel will be dropping the prices on the Core 2 Duo next week.

The E6600 was to come down to around $250. So, I'd wait a week. If it doesn't happen, well, it's only a week.

I'd personally get a 1GB stick of RAM for the time being and then get another 1GB stick when you get the funds. 2GB is starting to be the norm for computers. And VISTA will probably need 2GB is run smoothely.

For the HDD, I'd recommend the Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB Perpendicular Drive. It's 95 with free shipping at Newegg.

You can save 10 bucks and get this Enermax Liberty 500W. It might be 20W less but it supplies 32A on the rails minimum whereas the Corsair is just under 30A at 29.6A.

Everything else looks good.
January 3, 2007 1:03:17 AM

Looks like you are right. I found this post confirming it. I think I will be waiting just in case.
January 3, 2007 1:02:12 PM

I'd agree with waiting, but get a cheaper psu than the corsair, you can get an extremely nice pc P&C psu that are some of the best on the market for the same price, or an ocz. Just a thought
January 3, 2007 11:18:09 PM

A $100 price drop for the E6600 is pretty significant but I don't want to wait until April (the beginning of the 2nd quarter). For those that can wait, it will be a good day!

The power supply I chose is a little more expensive at $120 but it is in the tier two list. All of the tier one power supplies are $300 plus for 500W and up. I could get the Antec Neo High Efficiency 500W for $90, it's a tier two as well. I'm going to read up on it and If it works out then I just saved $30 because of the referral to the list. You guys are awesome, thanks.

The knowledge here is great. You saving me a ton of time and keeping me from rookie mistakes.
January 3, 2007 11:34:32 PM

You may want to consider this GameXStream PSU as well. It is in the tier 2 and has a lot of amperage.

I don't want to wait until Q2, but I might wait until Monday to see if they cut the price a little becasue of the new release.
January 4, 2007 12:13:14 AM

I do like that power supply, it's in my wish list now.

Apparently Newegg no longer sells the sapphire x1950xt, it was missing from the cart. So I searched the site and couldn't find it. Do you believe the eVGA 512-P2-N637-AR GeForce 7950GT 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP KO would be a good replacement? I want to stay in the $250 range for a video card.
January 4, 2007 12:48:58 AM

They sold out last night. Just my luck as well. HIS makes one that is for sale there.
January 4, 2007 12:55:26 AM

Yeah, as the 7950gt is the samething as the 7900gtx, just lower clocked so they can put a smaller fan. Not sure what your talking about though, I just checked newegg and they still sell three types of 1950xt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Category=...

Personally, I like this particular 7600gt, very highclocked (core about the same, but ic can handle higher, but memory is far higher), if it weren't for the memory, I'd say its better than the 7950gt, but it at least beats any 7900gs on the market I know of, plus you can sli for about the price of one 7950gt.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
and here is a newer 7600gt that I have just seen for the first time with even higher clocks, but I think its too expensive for the slightly higher clocks than the latter 7600gt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
January 4, 2007 2:28:12 AM

Tacos,
Do you really think the 7950gt is on par with the ati 1950XT, or are you just an nvidia person? I seemed to come to the conclusion that most people would prefer the 1950XT over just about anything else in that price range. Can't say anything about the overclocled 7600gt though, but that looks like a steal to me.

I plan on doing video editing and was wondering if I would get any gain for those apps by running your recommended 7600gt in sli, or is that just for gaming?

Also, do you have any preference between Sapphire and HIS?

Thanks.
January 4, 2007 2:51:15 AM

well, the xt is probably a bit better, but the thing is that the xt version of ati chips just don't seem that great in my mind. And with dx10 coming, these all are going to be useless within a year anyway.

As for the video editing, I think a better cpu would make more of a difference in that case (more cores not speed) but the same logic should apply to gpus, twice the power, speed isn't as crucil, so an xt can beat a 7600gt easy, but the one I should is clocked far higher, and two of them should be almost oerkill for current games for the build you have. You would be more cpu limited than gpu limited with less gt's, as unless if you can get it to 3.6 with reasonable temps, then getting a top of the line gfx card would be complete overkill for you

I can't say which is tuly better, because this is apples to oranges here, comparing ati to sli. But I can tell you the sli will be cheaper because of the total $60 rebate
January 4, 2007 8:18:26 AM

Tacos,

Thanks. I settled for the 7600GT since I wont be doing hard core gaming for now and like you say, dx10 will be here soon. It will sure beat the GeForce2 I am currently running. I am waiting until next week for the processor which will either be the e6400 or e 6600 depending on if the prices change.
January 4, 2007 12:43:28 PM

not sli?

Then get a better mobo instead. For future dx10, you want something that is as current as possible, and toms did several tests comparing the 965, 965 and 680i chipsets, and in everything, the 680i outperformed the. The 965 is a big improvement over the 975, but to really get the most out of your dx10 card, you will need to oc your cpu (which we already agreed on) and you will need to have a good mobe. The choice is yours. You can save the money for when the r600 prices fall down to an affordable right, or you can get a midrange one with a better mobo (though getting the r600 may take over a year, samething with the gtx, the gts is already coming down, I say it drop close to 300 on a major sale, could become a permanent price soon)
January 4, 2007 4:36:30 PM

Smuuv,
The Sapphire is back in stock. I think I am still sticking to the 7600GT though. I'll save the hundred now and apply it towards a dx10 card in a year after a few price drops.

Tacos,
I looked at Tom's, but I think I am sticking with the P5B Deluxe. Since I will mainly be doing Photoshop and Video Editing. I have already upgraded once from the Gigabyte DS3 and would rather spend the extra money on more processor. Does this make sense? I may consider the nvidia chipset in the future, but as always technology can change a lot in a year. Thanks for your help.
January 5, 2007 12:53:41 AM

P5b is a fine choice, but beware, you may have to drop in some value ram to set the voltage for your ocz, as asus has had many problems with not detecting the voltage correctly with any ram that requires over 1.8 volts. Otherwise, have fun with your build (now if only I had the money to build an automated mashed patato throwing machine 8O .. The things an Iranian man that doesn't like Indian women with mustaches could do......)
January 5, 2007 9:15:05 PM

The X1950 XT is an amazing deal at the $260 price point.

Its core runs a mere 25 MHz slower than the X1950 XTX, and its memory runs a full 250 MHz (effective) faster than the X1900 XTX. Translated into plain English, this is a blazing fast card for the price - sometimes faster than the previous X1900 XTX champ, and quick enough to run at high resolutions with nice eye candy. It will handily beat a 7950 GT, and will even best a 7900 GTO or 7900 GTX at most applications. You simply can't buy anything better at this price point right now.


This was straight off of the Tom's Harware Guide Best Video Card January
January 5, 2007 9:38:25 PM

I'd agree with you 1000000000% on that, but for someone that wants to get a future dx10 card (like the r600 when prices come down) then getting the 7600gt is the better choice, because its still a very fast card for $100, and it will allow for a better upgrade in the future

Not to mention, the 7600gt is clocked at 590/1600, so just barely slower, and you can clock it to 650/2000 easy with an after market cooling vga fan
one I like
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...
kinda expensive, but 110+50 equals still less than the saphire and the same clocks. The saphire still has a better engine, but you won't notice the difference unless you actually put them side by side with an fps counter for gaming, and for video editing, I doubt you'd see any difference at all
January 15, 2007 8:27:48 PM

I finally bit the bullet and placed an order. I just want to thank everyone who contributed to my learning process and helped me avoid some glaring mistakes. This is an awesome forum because of your willingness to help. For good or bad, here is the purchase list. It's a little more than the orginal $1000.

VGA SAPPHIRE 100186L X1950XT R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$249.99)
HD 320G|ST 7K 16M SATA2 ST3320620AS - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$94.99)
MB GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3 P965 775 - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$108.99)
CASE LIANLI|PC-7A PLUS II SIL RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$79.99)
PSU ANTEC|NEOHE 550 550W RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$109.99)
CPU INTEL|C2D E6400 2.13G 775 2M R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$221.00)
MEM 1Gx2|G.SK F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$209.99)
WIRELESS LAN ZONET|ZEW2500P USB RTL - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$23.99)

Extended Warranty Fee: $0
Subtotal: $1098.93
TAX: $0
Shipping and Handling Charge**: $32.33
Total: $1131.26
January 15, 2007 8:43:28 PM

Looks pretty good! :)  Have fun and enjoy!

Here's to hoping your next post isn't "Help! New build won't post!" :p 
January 15, 2007 8:51:07 PM

hey, not that's not nice :D 
January 15, 2007 11:26:52 PM

AMDThunder: I'm praying things go smoothly. Having a machine that will run anything out there has been a dream of mine. I just downloaded the game F.E.A.R. and I can barely play it on this dinosaur.
January 15, 2007 11:33:41 PM

Quote:
I finally bit the bullet and placed an order. I just want to thank everyone who contributed to my learning process and helped me avoid some glaring mistakes. This is an awesome forum because of your willingness to help. For good or bad, here is the purchase list. It's a little more than the orginal $1000.

VGA SAPPHIRE 100186L X1950XT R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$249.99)
HD 320G|ST 7K 16M SATA2 ST3320620AS - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$94.99)
MB GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3 P965 775 - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$108.99)
CASE LIANLI|PC-7A PLUS II SIL RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$79.99)
PSU ANTEC|NEOHE 550 550W RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$109.99)
CPU INTEL|C2D E6400 2.13G 775 2M R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$221.00)
MEM 1Gx2|G.SK F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$209.99)
WIRELESS LAN ZONET|ZEW2500P USB RTL - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$23.99)

Extended Warranty Fee: $0
Subtotal: $1098.93
TAX: $0
Shipping and Handling Charge**: $32.33
Total: $1131.26


Video-card = Good choice.
Hard drive = Good choice
Motherboard = Good choice
Case = Very good choice
CPU = Extremely good choice
Ram = Very very good choice
Wireless doo-hickey? No idea, but hey, 6/7 is good no?

You'll have a blast with this system. I'm glad you gave up on Nvidia and went with X1950XT. It's a really awesome card. The absolute best card for $250 or under and even competes with stuff up to the $300 range.
January 15, 2007 11:34:47 PM

don't push your luck, crysis comes out in just months from now, and your build can't ouch that, but over all it is very nice
January 15, 2007 11:41:27 PM

Thanks guys. My original list didn't look anything like the final. The credit really goes to you guys. All of the suggestions and critics caused me to re-evaluate my choices.

I really wanted to jump to the 8800 but couldn't bring myself to sacrifice anywhere else. I'll wait a year and hopefully jump to a dx10 card. There has to be game to peak my interest.
January 15, 2007 11:45:39 PM

Quote:
don't push your luck, crysis comes out in just months from now, and your build can't ouch that, but over all it is very nice


Yeah you're right. Crysis only comes out in months. I mean it's only like what... 2 months? No... 3 months? No... 6 months? No... 8 months away! That's like, such a short time!

Your card's gonna so suck! I mean Crysis is just around the corner. Yeah it's a really long corner, but still!

I mean it's more like a corner of a year, but still! It's still around the corner!

Do yourself a favor dude. Just shut up.

Crysis isn't "just" months from now. It's DATED to come out in September, and no one even KNOWS if that's when it's going to come out and no one even knows if the 8800GTX will play it nicely either. You know all those tech demos showing off Crysis? They ran on 7950GTX's in SLI and they still ran like crap. Even the tech demos with 8800 cards ran like crap.

I hate Nvidia fan boys.
January 16, 2007 12:04:38 AM

That's the thing I hate about technology, as soon as you think you have something good, its already outdated :cry: 
January 16, 2007 12:08:06 AM

It's love and hate. I love the fact that it's always getting better but I hate that it cost me an arm and a leg! :D 

Remember, I'm currently typing on this system:

AMD 2500+
1 Gig of ram
Radeon 9600xt
160 GB HD

I'm not playing much of anything right now.
January 16, 2007 1:54:15 AM

Smuuv wrote:
I finally bit the bullet and placed an order. I just want to thank everyone who contributed to my learning process and helped me avoid some glaring mistakes. This is an awesome forum because of your willingness to help. For good or bad, here is the purchase list. It's a little more than the orginal $1000.

VGA SAPPHIRE 100186L X1950XT R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$249.99)
HD 320G|ST 7K 16M SATA2 ST3320620AS - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$94.99)
MB GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3 P965 775 - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$108.99)
CASE LIANLI|PC-7A PLUS II SIL RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$79.99)
PSU ANTEC|NEOHE 550 550W RT - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$109.99)
CPU INTEL|C2D E6400 2.13G 775 2M R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$221.00)
MEM 1Gx2|G.SK F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$209.99)
WIRELESS LAN ZONET|ZEW2500P USB RTL - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$23.99)

Extended Warranty Fee: $0
Subtotal: $1098.93
TAX: $0
Shipping and Handling Charge**: $32.33
Total: $1131.26

I like your build smuuv but your original case the Cooler Master Centurion 5 was much better value than the LIANL case it was a fab case for just $50 your psu seems a bit expensive to me too for what your getting the roswell psu below is simiar spec but $50 cheaper you could put the $80 spared alltogether towards the 8800gts which is only $120 dearer after rebates than the x1950xt

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
January 16, 2007 12:00:36 PM

not a bad deal right there
January 16, 2007 2:38:11 PM

Phooey on the 8800. Nice card, yes, but the price to performance ratio is jacked. That 1950XT will play whatever he wants it too. I have the 1950Pro, and it runs FEAR Combat flawlessly. I let FEAR do it's auto detect for my vid settings. Almost everything is maxed, and runs great at 1024X768.
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