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January 1, 2007 10:55:47 PM

Sorry if this comes up twice! (Newbie...)

I have a M/B GA-965P-DQ6 and installed a RAID 01 with success. Also the first DVD-R is SATA and installed also OK.

The second DVD is IDE and cannot see it in WinXp.

If anyone can help i'd appreciate it. I thin is a BIOS something. I had Enabled'd the Onboard Controller in IDE mode but with no luck.

Happy new year to all

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January 2, 2007 4:16:10 PM

This may not help you, but the DVD drive in my DQ6 is IDE and WINXp saw it just fine, without me doing anything special.

Did you install the motehrboard drivers?
January 3, 2007 6:42:19 AM

Thanks for the reply. Yes I have installed the drivers from Gigabyte CD that came with the M/B.

I don't think it is a problem with the software. On cold boot there is no indication from BIOS that the IDE device or BUS is seen by the M/B.

Before setting up RAID I thik I saw once the DVD name come up.

My settings on Integrated peripherals is:
Integrated Peripherals/SATA RAID/ACHI Mode : RAID
Integrated Peripherals/SATA Port0-3 Native Mode : Disabled
....
Integrated Peripherals/Onboard SATA/IDE Device : Enable
Integrated Peripherals/Onboard SATA/IDE Ctrl Mode : IDE

Thanks for any help (or at least reading...!)
Ioannis
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January 3, 2007 7:06:42 AM

i have this mo-bo and xp and new ubuntu see my ide drives fine
a b V Motherboard
January 3, 2007 7:20:47 AM

Both installed as Master on the same cable perhaps?
January 3, 2007 10:12:37 AM

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Both installed as Master on the same cable perhaps?


One of them is SATA, so no.
January 3, 2007 10:33:42 AM

When you reboot, does it include it in the "Detecting drives" result? If it doesn't, then it's either a hardware issue, or bios settings. As far as I understand it, If you have the onboard IDE enabled, it should work... Faulty drive, perhaps?

If you have it sitting in the bios screen, can you open the drive successfully by pressing eject?
a b V Motherboard
January 3, 2007 1:04:25 PM

Oh, the single IDE drive isn't working. Did you disable the gigabyte SATA controller chip?

Yeh, the SATA controller that also controls the only Ultra ATA interface.
January 3, 2007 7:12:10 PM

I had some difficulty with my DQ6 consisently not finding the IDE drives when I was first building it. Turned out to be the IDE cable supplied by Gigabyte with the board. Put in a different cable and all has been working since. Just a thought.
January 3, 2007 10:07:53 PM

yer the ide cable was crap i changed hd and the cable broke and was very annoying
January 4, 2007 5:23:09 AM

Well I suppose that if cable has a problem, in Windows/Device Manager should show IDE/ATAPI Controllers, right?

I don't see this in the list. Also tried instead of DVD a HD in vain.

Crashman, what do you mean "disable the gigabyte SATA controller chip?". The IDE controller is on that chip. Should this be disabled? My settings in BIOS are:

Integrated Peripherals/SATA RAID/ACHI Mode : RAID
Integrated Peripherals/SATA Port0-3 Native Mode : Disabled
....
Integrated Peripherals/Onboard SATA/IDE Device : Enable
Integrated Peripherals/Onboard SATA/IDE Ctrl Mode : IDE

Plankmeister: No it does not include it in reboot. Hope not a hardware issue... Sure is not faulty Drive. Checked.

Thanks, Ioannis
a b V Motherboard
January 4, 2007 5:42:09 AM

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Integrated Peripherals/Onboard SATA/IDE Device : Enable
Integrated Peripherals/Onboard SATA/IDE Ctrl Mode : IDE

It sounds like you have everything set up and it should work! You might have a bad cable, also check the MAIN page in BIOS to see that all your drives listed there are set to "auto".
January 4, 2007 6:17:35 AM

They are in NONE. If I enter to each one and select AUTO, after a few seconds it returns to NONE for every channel.

I don't think it is a bad cable situation, since windows cannot see IDE/ATAPI controller at all!

:( 

Ioannis
January 4, 2007 7:41:38 AM

Bizarre. Maybe it's a bad motherboard?
January 4, 2007 8:04:59 AM

I really hope not this!

I will return with any of the found solutions to help others.

Also on the same system I have a DVDRW (Plextor 760SA) on SATA channel 4 working ok but reading speed is not more than 9.5x although the channel is SATA II!

Any tip on that?

Ioannis
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January 4, 2007 8:18:59 AM

That means the board isn't detecting the drive, because last time I checked Gigabyte had FULLY integrated its JMicron controller BIOS into motherboard BIOS so that drives would show up as "MAIN".

Something is turned off, in the wrong mode, or the drive isn't being detected. Drive not detected could mean a bad cable or bad power lead.
January 4, 2007 9:50:42 AM

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I really hope not this!

I will return with any of the found solutions to help others.

Also on the same system I have a DVDRW (Plextor 760SA) on SATA channel 4 working ok but reading speed is not more than 9.5x although the channel is SATA II!

Any tip on that?

Ioannis


SATA II (Correction: SATA 3.0 Gbps) is only the peak interface speed, it means nothing but is thrown around like a marketting term.

9.5X means that is the speed that particular disc read at, possibly on average, possibly the maximum, different discs will max out at different speeds.

They call it 16X MAX, 18X MAX, etc for a reason, it is the MAXIMUM speed attainable, not the average or minimum sustainable speed.

Heck, this is cheap optical media we're talking about here. :roll:
January 4, 2007 10:59:41 AM

Thanks for the replies. I know my english are not good enough, but let me try again. The Drive itself is not the problem as I have replaced it with a known working hard disk. Please note that the IDE/ATAPI Controller device is not shown in Device Manager.

So it can't be faulty cable or drive. Only two thing remain. Either I am doing something stupid or the M/B is faulty.

As for the Plextor, the speed I was refering to, was the save tracks from NERO. I tested this feature of NERO on other Drives and one showed up to 52x (!!). Only once...

I suppose is something with the Native mode or Legacy mode?

Ioannis
January 4, 2007 11:08:23 AM

Legacy mode is required if you want to run IDE devices. I think.
January 4, 2007 5:33:51 PM

Have you tried the drive in another computer to see if its the drive? Could be a bad controller chip on the mobo, I ran into this with a different Gigabite mobo. I also had a dvd burner that wasnt being recognised by my new build which has the same mobo as you do, I tried changing the IDE cable, that didnt help but when I looked at the back of the drive it looked like one of the IDE pins was broken off, after I opend up the drive I noticed that it wasnt broken but pushed inward, I pushed it back out and put the top back on and the drive has been working fine since then. I would contact Gigabite tech support if the drive works fine in a different pc.
January 5, 2007 7:39:47 AM

Thanks TPLAT. As I have already mentioned in previous posts, there is no IDE/ATAPI Controller in Device Manager. So even if the drive was faulty, there would be the IDE bus present in Windows. Besides that I tried a Hard Disk (see Post Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:59 pm) just in case.

It seems to be a problem in BIOS but the manual is not very helpful.

I have already contacted Gigabyte but i guess they continue their holiday...!

Ioannis
January 5, 2007 7:42:28 AM

It'll show up to 52X for CD-ROMs and up to 12 X (give or take) for DVD-ROMs.

CD-ROM 1X = Only 150 KB/sec

It is all relative.
January 5, 2007 3:02:44 PM

It may be set up in bios to use SCSI drivers, if thats the case it wont show up in device manager under the IDE/ATAPI Controller, if its is set up to use IDE drivers then it may have a bad controller chip on the mobo I already had one Gigabite mobo with that problem. Their US tech support was open as I talked to them about a sepperate problem yesterday.
January 5, 2007 3:34:42 PM

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It may be set up in bios to use SCSI drivers, if thats the case it wont show up in device manager under the IDE/ATAPI Controller, if its is set up to use IDE drivers then it may have a bad controller chip on the mobo I already had one Gigabite mobo with that problem. Their US tech support was open as I talked to them about a sepperate problem yesterday.



Maybe this is obvious, but have you tried updating your BIOS to the latest version?

Have you tried clearing the CMOS?

If you updated the BIOS, did you clear the CMOS and then reset to factory defaults?

In standard settings in the BIOS, your drive should appear in the list. Does it?

The newer cables are Cable-Select (Not master/slave). Check your jumpers on your drive to make sure it's set to cable select (They usually ship set to Master/Single).


It's possible that the BIOS is automatically disabling the IDE controller if it doesn't find any active drives on POST. I'd make sure the drive is appearing in your BIOS before looking anywhere else.
January 5, 2007 6:05:25 PM

I have a very similar setup (RAID 0 on the Southbridge, Samsung SH-S182D IDE burner on the JMicron controller), and the burner shows up as a SCSI device in Device Manager. I'm using the F6 BIOS.
January 5, 2007 11:28:58 PM

Actualy I was replying to another persons problem, I`m not having any problems with any of my seven dvd burners so I just leave them alone, I look at it this way, if it isnt broke dot fix it.
January 6, 2007 3:04:13 AM

Sorry. My post was directed at the OP. I musta hit quote instead of reply by accident :) 
January 6, 2007 2:38:42 PM

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I have a very similar setup (RAID 0 on the Southbridge, Samsung SH-S182D IDE burner on the JMicron controller), and the burner shows up as a SCSI device in Device Manager. I'm using the F6 BIOS.


Is the same M/B ? If yes can you please post your setup in bios/integrated peripherals?

To Whizzard9992: Yes already reset the CMOS but did not updated the BIOS yet. I will do that tomorrow. as for the cables, I have to find the Controller first! (Either in IDE/ATAPI or in SCSI, wherever...). The drive is not present anywhere :-(

From the dealer I got the following tip: To put the onboard controler (GSATA II) to RAID/IDE mode even if I do not use the RAID in GSATA II. This is setting the SATA channels to RAID and IDE channel to IDE. I tried it but no result.

I have to make some more tests before conclude to a faulty chip. I'll be in touch guys. Thanks a lot for the help.

Ioannis
January 6, 2007 7:40:15 PM

Cool.

On the DQ6, the IDE connection is green and it's bent sideways on the side of the motherboard next to the SATA connectors. It's hard to get to after the motherboard is installed into the case.

When you update your BIOS, make sure you clear the CMOS and the load fail-safe defaults to ensure there are no errors.

The cable is a Cable-Select type, so when you find the drive there will be some jumpers on it. Make sure they're set to CS, or Cable-Select.


Good luck!
January 8, 2007 12:01:09 PM

OK I got it working. Just a BIOS upgrade did the job. I wonder why they don't do it from the beggining and I have to make an upgrade, which is risky as the manual states?

Anyway, the problem with the slow SATA DVD recorder remains. I will make an update of the firmware there too to see how it goes.

The M/B is the worst thing to remove and install again. Fortunately i got away with a few scrathes (from the metal case removing cable....!)

Ioannis
January 8, 2007 3:27:40 PM

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OK I got it working. Just a BIOS upgrade did the job. I wonder why they don't do it from the beggining and I have to make an upgrade, which is risky as the manual states?

Anyway, the problem with the slow SATA DVD recorder remains. I will make an update of the firmware there too to see how it goes.

The M/B is the worst thing to remove and install again. Fortunately i got away with a few scrathes (from the metal case removing cable....!)

Ioannis


Woot! Nice.

BIOS updates are risky because the BIOS needs to be working in order to make the update. If the update fails, the BIOS breaks, so you can't try again. You just have to send the board back so they can do it at the factory. It doesn't happen often, but it happens. For example if the floppy disk is corrupt, or if an AntiVirus stops the BIOS update mid-stream if updating from Windows.

Most of the time the BIOS update works well, though.

The one big mistake people make is NOT clearing the CMOS before rebooting. The old BIOS may store settings in CMOS, and then those settings get relocated or w/e with BIOS updates. For example, in the old BIOS, your FSB settings might be 1066, and in the new BIOS that value becomes the core voltage or something. You always want to clear the CMOS after a BIOS update, which resets the BIOS to factory defaults.

Regarding your SATA drive: have you tried benching the CD in the other CD-ROM? There are many types of CD-ROM media, and the performance of reads depends on the quality of the CD-ROM as much as the drive. For example, reading a CD-R is almost always slower than a CD-ROM. Try the same disk in your other drive, and be sure to try different disks.
January 9, 2007 5:10:06 AM

Thanks Whizzard9992.

I tried the same disk on the second IDE DVD Drive and reached at the 3rd track speeds of 30x. So I am sure it is not the disk. It is clear that the whole system can be speedy except the drive which does not provide more data. From the Plextools I tried to set speed more than 8x (say from 20-48x is one choice)and returning to that menu it falls back to 8x.

So it seems I cannot set the drive to read more than 8x!

I will try it on different computer and then replace it....

Ioannis
January 9, 2007 5:09:56 PM

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Thanks Whizzard9992.

I tried the same disk on the second IDE DVD Drive and reached at the 3rd track speeds of 30x. So I am sure it is not the disk. It is clear that the whole system can be speedy except the drive which does not provide more data. From the Plextools I tried to set speed more than 8x (say from 20-48x is one choice)and returning to that menu it falls back to 8x.

So it seems I cannot set the drive to read more than 8x!

I will try it on different computer and then replace it....

Ioannis



What's the make/model of the SATA drive? I'll see what I can dig up.

It sounds to me like it's a driver issue, or an issue with the hardware. If the tools are defaulting back down to 8x before you run the drive, then chances are that the driver is reporting back that it can't support more than 8x. If you set it to 32x and you're only getting 8x in benchmarks, then it might be something more hardware-related.

Are you using the default windows driver for the drive? Is there a driver provided by the manufacturer for the drive? Also, check device manager to ensure that you have no devices with bug yellow question marks (i.e. no drivers).
January 10, 2007 6:04:40 AM

The drive is the PX760SA (not the A but SA for SATA) from Plextor.

The drive falls back to 8x when I try from the accompaning Plextools to set more than 8x. I cannot understand why. I have made a report with the toos that Plextor provides and will send it to them.

Thanks, Ioannis
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