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January 2, 2007 10:35:59 AM

If you had a pretty good gaming system already and had the money to buy either an intel quad core processor with a 22' monitor or a 24' monitor with a C2D E6600, which would you get? I would lean toward the better monitor, but I want to hear what others think.

(I know this question is vague, which is on purpose. Assume both upgrades will cost around the same amount of money.)
January 2, 2007 11:16:19 AM

Well, between these two options, I would have to say that the E6600 has plenty of horsepower, Quad-Core is overkill (for now). I'd go with the large monitor - assuming you have a GFX card good enough to power it in all it's glory. The bigger monitor would be money better spent because you'd see a large increase in "WOWness" (if you have a smallish monitor now), whereas quad core will be untapped and will give you more of a "meh" than a "wow". More visual bang for your buck. :wink:
January 2, 2007 12:21:38 PM

Monitor for sure, wait till you can put quad core to use.
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January 2, 2007 1:10:27 PM

hey what will you do with such big screens it will surely tae some time to look from one corner to other if you play games especially FPS.I think with new os'es like vista around the corner get quad core or X6800 or E6700 both are great value for money (the dual core ones not the quad core ) .The quad core is a bit expensive
January 2, 2007 2:10:37 PM

Ha.


24in monitor all the way. Unless you can use quad core technology, and intend to use it, and need to use it... the monitor will serve you best, and wont be outdated in the future, where as a CPU would.


Heck, sell your computer, and use the money to buy 2x 30in Dell monitors....

"very nice" - Borrat.
January 2, 2007 2:16:56 PM

Monitor. Unless you do hardcore video editing all the time. But, it says it is for gaming. In which case I take the E6600 and that nice 24"
January 2, 2007 2:29:57 PM

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Ha.


24in monitor all the way. Unless you can use quad core technology, and intend to use it, and need to use it... the monitor will serve you best, and wont be outdated in the future, where as a CPU would.


Heck, sell your computer, and use the money to buy 2x 30in Dell monitors....

"very nice" - Borrat.


I prefer the white apple ones!
January 2, 2007 2:32:56 PM

They are slower in response time, as well as they have a few ports unused on PCs. But for looks, they are quite nice for sure.
January 2, 2007 3:47:45 PM

They are slower in published response time, but I don't know if they are really slower. Do you have a real test to link to? Manufacturer published claims are a bunch of BS (there are no standards governing the measure of response time).
January 2, 2007 3:51:55 PM

How is this:


I use 24in/30in dell monitors (indisputably great) at work and home and the black levels and response time are perfect.

At 16/22ms response times for apple monitors, they tend to ghost a bit during DVD playback. Most the Mac users have 30in panels out here. Very very nice looking, but the MS response is obvious.

Feel free to read an official review, though I just go from experience.

Note: it is possible a new model is out toting bester technology.
January 2, 2007 4:29:58 PM

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I use 24in/30in dell monitors (indisputably great) at work and home and the black levels and response time are perfect.

I have used 2405FPW and it has input lag. I, personally, would rather have 0 input lag and slower gray-to-gray than vice versa, but this is personal preference.

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At 16/22ms response times for apple monitors, they tend to ghost a bit during DVD playback. Most the Mac users have 30in panels out here. Very very nice looking, but the MS response is obvious.

You are clearly wrong. Published time on Apple Cinema Displays is 14ms (typical). Published on Dell is 11 ms (grey-to-grey) 14 ms (black-to-black).

Source:
http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/pr...

I think they might even use the same panels for their 30-in versions (I have to do more research to support that statement and it very well might be incorrect). Your statement seems to be completely based on "personal observation", which seems to be questionable at best.

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Note: it is possible a new model is out toting bester technology.

I know I want bester technology. I think you've hit on something here my friend. :p 

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Feel free to read an official review, though I just go from experience.

Uh, I have experience with these monitors as well. Thanks for trying to sound condescending though. By the way, check this CNET review out:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6470175-1.html

Ironic that Apple wins for DVD playback and gaming. For "day to day use" the Dell wins because it has less jagged text (but I personally like jagged, because jagged = sharp. use freaking ClearType if you don't like it).

Any questions?
January 3, 2007 4:15:34 PM

A small delay between the signal such as a Playstation, and the video output, usually caused by problems in the post rendering process of the unit.

This is not common, and not model specific, just a problem with the manufacturing process for that unit (batch of units).

I had to deal with Sony for quite some time on a 55in LCD I purchased and I ended up getting a refund.




Input lag is horrible, and very noticeable when playing games... Such as guitar hero.
January 3, 2007 4:21:13 PM

I would go for the better monitor. The E6600 is plenty for anything you'll need, especially overclocked. Unless you'll be doing A LOT of multitasking and stuff like that, you don't need the quad core. It won't help much if at all with games. A bigger monitor is always better, as it's the connection between you and your computer.
January 3, 2007 4:26:02 PM

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well, my input seems pretty sharp and i have no problems playing any games including FPS so i just wondered what input lag he got considering i have the same monitor.



Like I said, it is not model specific... it just happens that his monitor has lag.
January 3, 2007 5:18:57 PM

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January 3, 2007 11:09:41 PM

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well, my input seems pretty sharp and i have no problems playing any games including FPS so i just wondered what input lag he got considering i have the same monitor.



Like I said, it is not model specific... it just happens that his monitor has lag.
You're wrong. I have seen monitors that all have input lag (Samsung 214T... check one out, try moving the mouse around the screen, you can detect a slight lag between input and when it shows up).

Dell 2405 is more subtle, and it's livable.
January 3, 2007 11:37:31 PM

Well I wouldn't speculate on monitors I haven't used extencivly.


All I can say is that Sony had a problem on a % of LcCos TV's / LCD tvs with input lag. This was not model specific.

Gateway 22in - 24in LCD's have had come issues, though this was not model specific.

......gtg... oh well you finish my post.
January 3, 2007 11:50:11 PM

Moniter
January 3, 2007 11:57:25 PM

M O N I T O R.... dont correct spelling when you dont know how to spell.




Also to add to that list, Dell 22-30in panels... had a few lag, but we have at work 1000's of them lag, and the problem is NOT model specific.
January 4, 2007 12:33:44 AM

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M O N I T O R.... dont correct spelling when you dont know how to spell.




Also to add to that list, Dell 22-30in panels... had a few lag, but we have at work 1000's of them lag, and the problem is NOT model specific.



Did you ever consider that he was just answering the question and misspelled the word.
1. Take several valliums.
2. Get a ladder and climb out of his $ss.
January 4, 2007 12:37:31 AM

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how many monitors have you tested exactly, i have noticed no lag. maybe just me.
Well, I've only used one 2405, and I have heard a lot of people complaining on Dell's forums about it (when I was doing research). I think Dell MIGHT have fixed it with one of their releases, so it could be that you are one of the later revs of monitor that doesn't have issues. Otherwise, it could be that you just don't notice it because it's not a big deal (on 2405 it's really not that bad). But seriously, go use a 214t and you will be able to detect what I'm talking about. The difference is suttle (and it feels like mouse smoothing or something almost) but you will start to be able to detect it easily after a while. I loved the looks of the 214t and tried EVERYTHING to get it to work (swapped out cables, PCs, mice, tried settings on monitor, graphics cards, etc., called tech support) but I pretty much found that tech support said "you're SOL" to me. I was pissed so I returned the POS and bought a Sony PremierePro (sony doesn't know how to do much right these days, but they did manage to produce a sweet monitor).
January 4, 2007 12:43:04 AM

BTW, I'll send you link to a couple topics on HardForum where this was discussed (they are down right now or I could link to it now) if you want.
January 4, 2007 1:00:04 AM

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Also to add to that list, Dell 22-30in panels... had a few lag, but we have at work 1000's of them lag, and the problem is NOT model specific.

Well, debating your "work" where you have "1000's of them" is useless to me. If you send me pics I will start to believe it, but you are always bouncing back and forth saying that you have sway with Comp TIA, then you own your own company, then you work for a place with 50,000 PCs. Which is it?

Anyway, here are some links where people are discussing it. As you can see, most people don't detect it or don't care about it. Some people it bugs the hell out of. It's a tough thing because it seems like most LCD manufacturers say that it's a myth or something (which I can easily disprove... check out some of the tests people on HardForums are doing).

http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?b...
http://www.behardware.com/articles/632-1/lcds-images-de...
http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?b...

Anyway, maybe it isn't model-specific w/ Dell because (like I said) I think they might have silently fixed it with A03 or something (where they also fixed banding issues). Anyway, bleh. The input lag issue is old and I'm tired of convincing people it exists. Just check a freaking 214t out if you don't believe me (and read that behardware thing and look at screenshots). And just think: the Dell tested in behardware review is much better than Samsung 214T.
January 4, 2007 1:09:31 AM

get the quad core AND the 24''... you know you want to........... :wink:
January 4, 2007 1:14:48 AM

I just answer the question: where do I work.
I don't feel then need to qualify it, and nor would I want to.



I have yet to contradict myself though,

The gov facility is very large, which enables me to see alot of one type of equipment or the other... thats all.

edit: and in the gov facility, I work with people who work with CompTIA, and I have influence.
January 4, 2007 1:31:09 AM

I don't want you to qualify it. I don't care. That's my whole point. I can't use what you are saying as fact because I'm not sure if I believe you, but I also don't really care enough to find out whether or not to believe you.

Anyway, I know that input lag IS model-specific for the 214T, but I have only used 2 2405s. If you have a lot of experience with them, sweet.
January 4, 2007 1:55:14 AM

This is the internet... unless your willing to go all out and devuldge everything from your date of birth, to your SSN, nothing is fact.
January 4, 2007 2:06:11 AM

I don't care about demographic information. What I do care about is technology. You can prove/disprove your point of view by providing linkage and hard facts.
January 4, 2007 12:49:49 PM

Lol, not even then some times...
aka people who quote the Inq.... nvrmind.
January 4, 2007 7:05:55 PM

I do mean the 2405. I have never used a 2407 but I have heard that the 2405s are actually better in a lot of respects (A03 and beyond at least). I believe the 2407 brought back some banding issues that were fixed in A03 2405.

I think that Comptia is saying it's not model specific (specifically referring to Dell) because Dell is famous for switching their panels without telling people. Check this out:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1111100&highl...

They go from S-IPS to PVA (which is just plain evil). I've seen people on the Dell forums asking Dell about this and they are like... "sorry, nothing we can do... there's no way to tell what kind of panel you will get" (I can look that up for you if you want).

Here's the ultimate thread on input lag (w/ 2405):
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1026393&highl...


Here are some additional resources on input lag:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1096025&highl...
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1140197&highl...
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1132016&highl...
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1127123&highl...
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1126240&highl...
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1092431&highl...
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1123760&highl...
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1119173&highl...
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1096527&highl...


Anyway, decide for yourself. Like I have said, I have spent a LOT of energy in the past talking about this and I have come to my own conclusions about it (even though it's an elusive issue to be sure).
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