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January 3, 2007 2:15:01 PM

Help with Gigabyte's New F8 BIOS version for DQ6 Mobo
Hi Y'all, Well I downloaded the
New F8 BIOS for the Gigabyte 965P-DQ6 Mobo. <=--Cleeek here to Download it at your own Risk!!!

:evil: 
**edited & updated**
Gigabyte's response to this Post is as follows verbatim, (this must be a prefabbed response by someone over there tired of typing the same response after their 1st time typing it up).

Gigabyte's response to this post as of 01-08-2007:
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"Answer - 430790
Hi.
Unfortunately any results from overclocking will not be guaranatee, any issue leaving and running it at default specs?"
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:(  Anyone else come across these issues described below after upgrading to the F8 BIOS?


I had been using the F7 revision without any problems & OC'ing it at 3.4Ghz.

I upgraded to it, let it reboot with the Default Optimum settings as they recommend in their upgrade instructions & all was fine.
Then I decided to apply the same OC'ing settings I had when using the F7 version.
8O Now, the system just gets stuck in a reboot cycle if it boots up getting past the POST at all.

...later that sameday...
after clearing the CMOS with the motherboard jumper for the 10th time I tried again and again and again...

At other times it boots up, but it won't give me any display output at all. However it will still boot. I know this cuz I can shut my system down remotely from my other PC once I wait about 3-4 minutes.
For the heck of it I went back to the F7 BIOS version & all was well again. I reflashed from within the BIOS setup & still the same old S.H.I.T.

WTF??? 8O

H-E-L-P??? Thanx.

PS: I'm still waiting on a more realistic response worth my $265 USD which I paid for this mobo from Gigabyte's Tech support about this.
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January 3, 2007 4:46:11 PM

My gut feeling tells me it was to reduce 'failure' (cough) rates.

The board is quite popular.

They won't disclose this when asked about it though for obvious reasons.
January 3, 2007 4:54:02 PM

Quote:
My gut feeling tells me it was to reduce 'failure' (cough) rates.

The board is quite popular.

They won't disclose this when asked about it though for obvious reasons.


I'm surprised the ASUS logo isn't all over this with the new version.
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January 4, 2007 3:51:16 PM

I haven't had any problems with the new bios yet. I have an E6700 and am only running a 3.2ghz overclock since well.. im not currently using anything to make me up it back to what I used to have it at. Still, I havent had any post issues so far with the F8.

The odd thing that has happened to me under almost every bios version is that no matter what my O/C setting is, the system is completely stable, i mean 24 hour prime test, etc. I power down, etc and sometime, randomly it just wont get past post until it resets everything to the defaults. It's an odd thing, since all of the parts are quality, they have all passed every test I've thrown at them. I just wonder if it is a quirky motherboard in general.
January 4, 2007 4:26:29 PM

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I haven't had any problems with the new bios yet. I have an E6700 and am only running a 3.2ghz overclock since well.. im not currently using anything to make me up it back to what I used to have it at. Still, I havent had any post issues so far with the F8.

The odd thing that has happened to me under almost every bios version is that no matter what my O/C setting is, the system is completely stable, i mean 24 hour prime test, etc. I power down, etc and sometime, randomly it just wont get past post until it resets everything to the defaults. It's an odd thing, since all of the parts are quality, they have all passed every test I've thrown at them. I just wonder if it is a quirky motherboard in general.


You're a lucky one or both myself & my pal are jinxed. I just came from trying the new BIOS over at my pals' place. The only differences between my system & his are that he's using dual channel 2GB of CORSAIR DDR2-800 RAM, NVIDIA 7800 card whereas my PC is using dual channel 2GB of OCZ DDR2-800 RAM & a ATI X1900 256MB card, same motherboard, HSF, case, PSU, & hard drives. I bought my mobo online & he got his locally. Both are labeled version 1.0 on the mobo's edge.

Now his system won't boot either if he tries to do a simple OC like going up to 2.5Ghz. Also, now his system will get stuck once the system finds a CD or DVD in his drive if the DVD drive he has (a Pioneer DVR-108 16x Burner) is set to be the first boot device in the BIOS. If the DVD is removed the system boots up. Keep in mind that the systems are only booting up if we do not attempt any OCing.
I tried the same thing on mine, except I have a newer model of his drive which is the PIONEER DVR-111D, running their latest firmware, and I am seeing the same thing when it comes to setting up the DVD burner as the first boot device. W-H-A-T Gives???

8O ** edit **
I went back to BIOS version F7 & the same thing when a CD/DVD is in the drive happens with this version as well, but not with F6. ERRR????
January 5, 2007 11:01:52 PM

8) ...b-u-m-p... :?:
January 5, 2007 11:18:49 PM

I can't change the FSB with the F8 BIOS, but can with the F7. It won't POST if I change the FSB while running F8
January 5, 2007 11:22:41 PM

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I can't change the FSB with the F8 BIOS, but can with the F7. It won't POST if I change the FSB while running F8

What the hell
I noticed that, too. ERRRRR??? What the hell is the matter with 'em? How are we supposed to OC now??? :evil: 
I think maybe they screwed up with this new version during the code compilation in the bathroom or when the programmer spilled coffee on his keyboard when he tried to hide the Vida Guerra pic on his desktop from his boss? 8O
January 5, 2007 11:35:45 PM

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I can't change the FSB with the F8 BIOS, but can with the F7. It won't POST if I change the FSB while running F8

What the hell
I noticed that, too. ERRRRR??? What the hell is the matter with 'em? How are we supposed to OC now??? :evil: 
I think maybe they screwed up with this new version during the code compilation in the bathroom or when the programmer spilled coffee on his keyboard when he tried to hide the Vida Guerra pic on his desktop from his boss? 8O

They changed the way the BIOS handles the FSB in orer to support FSB 1133, but, in doing so, apparently made many other FSB values invalid. If I had to guess, I would guess that the maxumum value is a number too large to fit in the variable they're using (like trying to put the value 256 (100 hex) in a one byte field (max size FF hex) So, they probably cooked some multiplier in to the BIOS code to allow numbers larger than the original coders designed it for. So, when you change the FSB, the number you input goes against this secret multipler and comes out unusable.

That's my guess, anyway.
January 6, 2007 7:28:14 AM

Are you guys locking PCI Express Frequency to a low value ?
eg: 90
January 6, 2007 9:48:17 AM

I've left mine at auto & my pal set his manually to 100.
January 6, 2007 10:06:30 AM

Lock it at 90, then try overclocking again.
January 8, 2007 5:23:49 PM

In my quest for an answer regarding this from Gigabyte their response to this Post is as follows verbatim:
"Answer - 430790
Hi.
Unfortunately any results from overclocking will not be guaranatee, any issue leaving and running it at default specs?"


This type of s.h.i.t. just burns me. :x
January 8, 2007 5:56:51 PM

I sent them this email. They haven't responded yet:

Quote:
After upgrading from the F7 BIOS to the F8 BIOS, I am unable to change the Front Side Bus speed. The machine won't even POST.

With the F7, F6, and F5 BIOS, I changed the processor multiplier from 9 to 8, and set the FSB to 400, the memory multiplier to 2. This allowed my E6600 to run stable at 3.2GHz.

After installing the F8 BIOS, any change to the FSB frequency causes the board to fail to POST, even if I raise it just a little without changing the processor multiplier. After clearing the CMOS, with all the BIOS settings at default, if the only change I make is to raise the FSB a little the machine will not POST. You should be able to duplicate this.
January 10, 2007 2:56:46 PM

Quote:
I sent them this email. They haven't responded yet:

After upgrading from the F7 BIOS to the F8 BIOS, I am unable to change the Front Side Bus speed. The machine won't even POST.

With the F7, F6, and F5 BIOS, I changed the processor multiplier from 9 to 8, and set the FSB to 400, the memory multiplier to 2. This allowed my E6600 to run stable at 3.2GHz.

After installing the F8 BIOS, any change to the FSB frequency causes the board to fail to POST, even if I raise it just a little without changing the processor multiplier. After clearing the CMOS, with all the BIOS settings at default, if the only change I make is to raise the FSB a little the machine will not POST. You should be able to duplicate this.


Wassup SRUANE...
This new F8 BIOS version is crap!!!
Gigabyte must have a pre-fab or template response for everything they answer it seems & now to this new BIOS' issues.
Your related post thread titled: GA-965P F8 BIOS Bug
January 11, 2007 10:58:57 AM

Hi guys


i have the same motherboard Gigabyte 965DQ6(ver 2.0) and i upgraded from F7 to F8


EVERYTHING IS OK

I can enable the FSB and put any number to overclock it


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maybe after upgrading your Bios you didnt Load optimized Defaults

its important

if you guys dont believe me i can show you pictures
January 11, 2007 11:01:35 AM

Uh, I sorta mentioned that at the beginning of the post...

But thanks for your input.

Maybe it's because you have a v2.0 mobo?

My pal & I have the v1.0 mobo's & we're having issues as mentioned at the top of the post.


Thanks again.

Please put the PIX you have when you can...
January 11, 2007 11:02:55 AM

Quote:
Hi guys


i have the same motherboard Gigabyte 965DQ6(ver 2.0) and i upgraded from F7 to F8


EVERYTHING IS OK

I can enable the FSB and put any number to overclock it


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maybe after upgrading your Bios you didnt Load optimized Defaults

its important

if you guys dont believe me i can show you pictures


No, you don't have the same motherboard. We have version 1.0. And if you're running optimized defaults, you are not over clocking the FSB. So, sure - let's see your pictures.
January 11, 2007 11:47:32 AM

It doesn't. Your movie shopws you can change the number in the bios screen. Well, I can too, but I can't boot. Your little movie doesn't show that you can boot.

Give us a screenshot of cpu-z showing the system running with a higher FSB
January 11, 2007 12:01:21 PM

i have a pentium D 3.2Ghz


i will overclock it to 4.0 or 3.8 and load into windows and show you !


is that what you want guys ?? :lol: 
January 11, 2007 12:04:01 PM

The argument is that you said your DQ6 v2.0 mobo system will boot up just fine using the F8 BIOS & changing the FSB to something other than the default. You offered to show us this. No???

One more thing, now you're not comparing apples to apples, you have a different mobo version & a differrent CPU as well.... hmmm.
January 11, 2007 12:06:19 PM

Yeah. - Give us a cpu-z screenshot showing the FSB speed

By the way - you STILL don't have the same setup we're talking about, In addition to a different motherboard, yo have a different processor. We are running E6600s. Proving you can overclock a completely different configuration is not useful. But go ahead. Try.
January 11, 2007 12:07:02 PM

yes i can change the FSB to any other number and boot windows


i will show you if you want


wait for my video i will upload it
January 11, 2007 12:11:26 PM

Quote:
yes i can change the FSB to any other number and boot windows


i will show you if you want


Dude, not to sound derogative, but your comparison to our hardware is like comparing our Turbo Charged DODGE CHARGER V8's, now environmentally friendly, to your TURBO CHARGED Mitsubishi Mirage with a full body kit & resonator.

Go ahead & show us either way. I seem to like your initiative.
January 11, 2007 12:28:51 PM

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yes i can change the FSB to any other number and boot windows


i will show you if you want


wait for my video i will upload it


A screenshot of cpu-z will be much more useful than a video.
January 11, 2007 4:14:10 PM

No comment because I can't download that pig. Post a screenshot of cpu-z
January 11, 2007 4:27:38 PM



Good job! Now we know we can overclock a Pentium D on a rev2 motherboard.

But the problem we are having is overclocking a E6600 on a rev1 motherboard. It used to be possible with the F7 BIOS. It is not possible with the F8 BIOS.

I have been in contact with Gigabyte tech support. They say to go back to the F7 BIOS while they perform more testing on the F8 BIOS.
January 11, 2007 4:31:34 PM



Good job! Now we know we can overclock a Pentium D on a rev2 motherboard.

LMAO...

Quote:
But the problem we are having is overclocking a E6600 on a rev1 motherboard. It used to be possible with the F7 BIOS. It is not possible with the F8 BIOS.

I have been in contact with Gigabyte tech support. They say to go back to the F7 BIOS while they perform more testing on the F8 BIOS.



They said the same thing on my end...
January 11, 2007 4:32:28 PM



Good job! Now we know we can overclock a Pentium D on a rev2 motherboard.

But the problem we are having is overclocking a E6600 on a rev1 motherboard. It used to be possible with the F7 BIOS. It is not possible with the F8 BIOS.

I have been in contact with Gigabyte tech support. They say to go back to the F7 BIOS while they perform more testing on the F8 BIOS.

Wait, I spoke too soon. The default bus speed for an E6600 is 266MHz, You are only running at 250. So, no, you not not raise the FSB speed. Lower tthe processor multiplier and raise the FSB above 266 and let us know what happens.
January 11, 2007 4:34:53 PM



Good job! Now we know we can overclock a Pentium D on a rev2 motherboard.

But the problem we are having is overclocking a E6600 on a rev1 motherboard. It used to be possible with the F7 BIOS. It is not possible with the F8 BIOS.

I have been in contact with Gigabyte tech support. They say to go back to the F7 BIOS while they perform more testing on the F8 BIOS.

Wait, I spoke too soon. The default bus speed for an E6600 is 266MHz, You are only running at 250. So, no, you not not raise the FSB speed. Lower tthe processor multiplier and raise the FSB above 266 and let us know what happens.

Edubai, he's got a point...

...I totally missed that one!!!

ok, I'll blame it on this new Nutrisystem diet I just started...

I'm s-t-a-r-v-i-n-g!!!
January 11, 2007 5:08:24 PM

why you dont try the Beta bios ???? :twisted: :twisted:
January 11, 2007 5:12:26 PM

Quote:
why you dont try the Beta bios ???? :twisted: :twisted:


The beta BIOS is F3. F3 had problems with DDR2-800 memory. F4 through F7 were Ok. F8 is hosed up.
January 12, 2007 6:52:24 PM

Quote:
Hi again


read this review

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/11/core-2-duo-overt...


They used gigabyte 965DQ6 MotherBoard With F8 Bios to overclock Core 2 Duo E6300


Yes they did. On a rev2 motherboard. Maybe I should sell my rev1 motherboard if want to use the F8 BIOS, eh? Or swap with you. Do you think your D940 will overclock on a rev1 motherboard? I think we should find out.
January 12, 2007 7:46:08 PM

hi again

i just want to tell you that dont try to overclock with CIA enabled make sure its disabled

also try disabling "Legacy USB storage detect"


keep system Voltage settings to AUTO and Memory Multiplyer to AUTO

try overclocking FSB with incriments of 2mhz only and step by step


am waiting for your feedback
January 12, 2007 9:51:47 PM

Quote:
hi again

i just want to tell you that dont try to overclock with CIA enabled make sure its disabled

also try disabling "Legacy USB storage detect"


keep system Voltage settings to AUTO and Memory Multiplyer to AUTO

try overclocking FSB with incriments of 2mhz only and step by step


am waiting for your feedback


I appreciate you trying to help, but you just don't get it.

I can overclock like a fiend on any BIOS other than F8. I actually am an experienced overclocker. If I go back to the F7 BIOS, I can overclock all day. There is a bug in the F8 BIOS which prevents overclocking, apparently only with rev1 motherboards. I can run my 2.4GHz E6600 at 3.GHz stable as a rock with the F7 BIOS.

I have yet to hear form someone who can raise the FSB on a rev1 DQ6 with the F8 BIOS.

Anyone?

Anyone....
January 12, 2007 11:07:49 PM

Quote:
hi again

i just want to tell you that dont try to overclock with CIA enabled make sure its disabled

also try disabling "Legacy USB storage detect"


keep system Voltage settings to AUTO and Memory Multiplyer to AUTO

try overclocking FSB with incriments of 2mhz only and step by step


am waiting for your feedback


Edubai, it's like Sruane says; in addition to his scenario my friend & I can over clock our mobos like crazy using the version F7 & lower BIOS's. It's this damned F8 version that's a problem. Also, there's got to be something different on the v2.0 mobo's that this new version is catering to not be causing any problems on your end. This is good for you, leaving us to sway in the wind with the rest of us mis-fortunate lowly v1-0 owners...
January 13, 2007 5:58:42 AM

hi again


i feel like the new bios is causing a problem with your USB devices OR try changing the VGA card to nvidia if you have one and see what happens




if you are attaching any USB devices just unplug them

are you using USB mouse and keyboard ??

if YES try disabling Detect USB mouse or keyboard in the bios

or Try using PS2 mouse and keyboard
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Also if you can overclock from EasyTune this means the problem is 100% from the bios and should wait for the update..... Why because the new bios is conflicting with either USB devices you have or an compatibility issue with your VGA preventing it from overclocking even 1 Mhz
January 13, 2007 6:58:37 AM

The DQ6 doesn't have a PS/2 port for keyboard, does it ?

ED: Apparently it does, I should punch out that part of the back plate then....
January 13, 2007 7:14:29 AM

I'll be going over a Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6 (Rev 1.0), with BIOS F8 installed in about 4 hours.

Clearing the BIOS (remove battery for 60 seconds while unplugged from mains power) is an important step. - Try this instead of shorting the CMOS CLEAR jumper.

I'll be raising the FSB to 333, from 266, and using a CPU voltage of 1.375
- To overclock a Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 from 2.40 GHz to 3.00 GHz - This is the same chip everyone else is mentioning problems with here.

You're all raising the CPU Voltage to 1.375 or higher right ?
Maybe try VDIMM and other voltage tweaks too, but only slight ones (unless your RAM needs 2.x Volts to work that is :p ).

The F8 BIOS adds a Voltage 'Detection Probe' to the boot up sequence, which improves DRAM compatibility on the board (high end modules need more volts, as above).

Have you checked all BIOS settings using Ctrl+F1 at the main BIOS menu ?

PCI Express Frequency I plan to lock at between 97 and 101.

The RAM I use is G.Skill DDR2-800 (PC2-6400) that requires 2.1 Volts (+0.3 VDIMM) - and I run 4 x 1 GB sticks of it. (That is 8 banks of RAM to the system, the maximum number of banks the i965P supports as far as I am aware). This is a fairly 'maxed out' memory setup, esp considering it is not standard 1.8 Volt gear.


The only odd thing is that the Intel Chipset ID tool detects the northbridge as a Intel G965 on my GA-965P-DQ6 for some reason, but the south bridge is definitely a ICH8R - as I am setting up RAID-5 (4 x 320 GB Seagate Barracuda 10's - within the next 4 hours).


I'll post back when I have more info.

I'm only running a GeForce 7600 GT (Gigabyte branded one, Silent Pipe II cooling), but the 4 internal HDDs (and sometimes 1 - 2 eSATA HDDs) will be pulling somewhere around 125 - 150 watts at boot up - So I am sure my drain on PSU - during POST - will be more than a typical setup with just 2 HDDs and a GeForce 8800 GTX.
(Comparable enough for this little test anyway).

ED: Only 1 hour of backups to go, or 2-3 episodes of a decent animé series - :lol: 
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