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January 3, 2007 2:47:53 PM

Just wondering if you guys saw this

Got to say... I'm stoked :) 

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January 3, 2007 2:54:32 PM

Yeah. Most of us are of the opinion it's a fraud though.
January 3, 2007 2:56:42 PM

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Yeah. Most of us are of the opinion it's a fraud though.


Just curious, as I haven't been here in a while...

What makes you guys think it's a fraud?
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January 3, 2007 3:03:50 PM

No pictures... if they were going to ignore the NDA they had to sign for the card, why not take pictures of it?

Also people have noticed that the 8800's Oblivion benchmarks seem unnaturally low.
January 3, 2007 3:31:32 PM

One reason I think its a fraud is because some of the people working at that website also work for AMD so they are obviously going to say it works better than Nvidia's. I'm sure the R600 will be an awesome card but there is no proof that its that good.
January 3, 2007 3:32:50 PM

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No pictures... if they were going to ignore the NDA they had to sign for the card, why not take pictures of it?

Also people have noticed that the 8800's Oblivion benchmarks seem unnaturally low.


Exactly.
January 3, 2007 3:43:52 PM

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No pictures... if they were going to ignore the NDA they had to sign for the card, why not take pictures of it?

Also people have noticed that the 8800's Oblivion benchmarks seem unnaturally low.


Exactly.

"This article is authentic. Our R600 sample is an RTM sample used in the MS CERT process for driver validation (especially for Vista). We are not publishing pictures of the card itself right now, as the card contains major ID tags that we can not remove yet for source protection. We will add pictures of the card itself once we can remove these tags."


Also, for unnaturally low FPS on Oblivion with 8800

"Update - Oblivion Benchmark is TSSAA/AAA quality


Due to upcoming questions regarding the frame rates on our Oblivion test: We ran the Oblivion Benchmark with activated TSSAA (Transparency Super Sampling Anti-Aliasing) on nVidia and AAA (Adaptive Anti-Aliasing) on the ATI cards because Oblivion profits substantially from these advanced AA modes."


My point is, I've seen far less credible sites taken for absolute truth. But I see what you guys mean... 2 people do work for AMD... kinda cool though nonetheless :) 
January 3, 2007 3:54:54 PM

Plus thats the only article they have on their whole website...
January 3, 2007 4:08:52 PM

I agree, wouldn't surprise me if this card is delayed a bit.
January 3, 2007 4:10:06 PM

I must say, that although this is most likely a fraud, I think the actual G80 v. R600 results will shake out pretty much the way they've presented. The G80 will continue to win a minority of benchmarks, and the R600 will lead in a slight majority. I don't think one card will absolutely destroy the other. That's just my two cents though, I've been wrong before. As much as I would like to see a blazingly fast ATI card that costs less than current GTX prices, I just don't think it's gonna happen.
January 3, 2007 4:40:27 PM

Thats to CompUSA's great warrenty, I dont care which card is faster.... My 8800gts will be traded for the best CompUSA sells, in one year.


Mwhahahhahaa.
January 3, 2007 4:44:27 PM

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No pictures... if they were going to ignore the NDA they had to sign for the card, why not take pictures of it?

Also people have noticed that the 8800's Oblivion benchmarks seem unnaturally low.


yep thats why im calling shenanigans; but i'm still going to wait for the real benchmarks of it till i buy my PC :p 

and if it takes till march fine....hell DX10 games dont come out till march anyways......mmm Crysis......and Stalker (not Dx10..but its freaking Stalker...nuff said :D )
January 3, 2007 6:52:26 PM

One game you won't be playing in March is Crysis - try much nearer the end of 2007...
January 3, 2007 7:35:42 PM

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Thats to CompUSA's great warrenty, I dont care which card is faster.... My 8800gts will be traded for the best CompUSA sells, in one year.


Mwhahahhahaa.


Oh rly? That sounds like a pretty sweet program, you wouldn't happen to have a link with more info would you?
January 3, 2007 8:00:38 PM

Just look on their website.


Here is pretty much what it is (and any compusa rep will tell you the same if you ask).



For x $$$ you can protect your video card with the Compusa warranty. If at any time the video card becomes unusable, damaged, or XXX, please return the card for:

1.) full refund *minus what you paid for the warranty
2.) replacement of the card with the same product
3.) replacement of the card with a like cost product
4.) Repair of the product if customer chooses


I payed $39.95 for a one year plan (card was $400).

At about 11 months, I can over clock it and get a new card of equal value ($400).
January 3, 2007 8:07:12 PM

Why does that sound illegal? Oh right...silly me :roll:

The Wal-Mart near me has become much less lenient with their return policy because of people doing similar things. People have also been arrested and banned from the store.
January 3, 2007 8:17:53 PM

Right, thats reasonable. Walmart has every right to ban people for abusing the return policy.


HOWEVER...... H O W E V E R........ H O W E V E R .................



CompUSA advertises this as a bonus. They dont care one way or the other as long as they make the warranty sale (cause thats what their metrics uses). There is nothing illegal here, and its Blatantly encouraged by the sales floor. A few of my co-workers have worked there in the past (for years), and this is a common Occurrence.
January 3, 2007 8:19:18 PM

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Why does that sound illegal? Oh right...silly me :roll:


fraud (frôd)
n.
A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
January 3, 2007 8:24:27 PM

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Thats to CompUSA's great warrenty, I dont care which card is faster.... My 8800gts will be traded for the best CompUSA sells, in one year.

Mwhahahhahaa.


Ok but how much did you spend on your card? What card did you get? Graphics cards at CompUSA are very expensive compared to someone like a Newegg.
January 3, 2007 8:34:32 PM

For that reason I just buy Newegg and sell on eBay when it's time to upgrade. I save more money by doing this and have actually made money when selling a pair of 6600GT's I had a couple years ago.
January 3, 2007 8:34:32 PM

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Why does that sound illegal? Oh right...silly me :roll:

The Wal-Mart near me has become much less lenient with their return policy because of people doing similar things. People have also been arrested and banned from the store.


If I recal correctly, driver sided overclocking isn't warranty voidable? Can't be traced through the videocard, right?

Oops, my card fried. Sucked anyhow. It only handled 20 volts :lol: 
January 3, 2007 8:37:46 PM

Agreed.
January 3, 2007 8:39:03 PM

Thats why you paid 40 bucks. 40 bucks is worthy of like 10 meals at Mc-E D's, or your cable bill, my drinking bill and so on. C'mon.
January 3, 2007 8:41:29 PM

The warranty is for a legitimate failure of the hardware or a manufacturing defect. What you guys are doing is no worse than Insurance Fraud. Just on a smaller scale, but Fraud none the less. I think the CompUSA execs should be getting their Auditing teams into action. If I was a store manager and found one of my employees doing that, they would be out the door so fast that it wouldn't have time to hit them in the ass as they passed through.
January 3, 2007 8:41:46 PM

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Thats to CompUSA's great warrenty, I dont care which card is faster.... My 8800gts will be traded for the best CompUSA sells, in one year.

Mwhahahhahaa.


Ok but how much did you spend on your card? What card did you get? Graphics cards at CompUSA are very expensive compared to someone like a Newegg.


I payed $400 for a BFG 8800GTS.... Holiday sale. Originaly $599.


Also, they don't check the card either. You get a new card regardless of the problem, and they send it in to the manufacturer for replacement (for themselves).
January 3, 2007 8:43:06 PM

So doing something illegal is only illegal if you get caught? No wonder society is going down the pooper in a hurry. :evil: 
January 3, 2007 8:48:16 PM

Like I said, I would agree normally.


CompUSA though, advertises doing this to get a new card every year, so long as they sell the warranty. Since the store advertises doing this, it is not fraud on the consumers part.
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January 3, 2007 9:29:03 PM

The other thing to consider is whether or not it's a 'satisfaction guarantee', BestBuy offers it on the basis that if you are not satisfied with the product, etc.

As for overclocking it, at what point does it say that unreasonable expectations of product X are not honoured?

If he overclocks the card (as many owners of said product in the community do) then that would put it in the realm of legal but unrealistic, but the companies don't account for unrealistic expectations or actions.

Would flashing the firmware incorrectly void your warranty? If so why would the mfr tell you where to update your hardware and how to do it?

If flashing it incorrectly winds up making a replacement necesarry then I doubt anyone could hold it against you without an admission.

Anyways, it's semantics, but thinking that someoone who is taking advantage of a system built to take advantage of the unwashed is causing the downfall of society, then really the societal ills in your neck of the woods must be pretty minor, and you should count your blessings if someone taking advantage of mega corps is causing you pain. :roll:
January 3, 2007 10:31:15 PM

Yes, but at the same time the good ol' car annalogy could come into play. Sure there is a gas tank on a car, but they don't tell you that putting suggar into the tank will harm your car. And if you are stupid enough to try it and seize your engine do you think the manufacturer will let you bring your car back even though you bought the extended warranty? The answer.. .. .. No they will laugh your ass off the lot. But anyway that's a whole differnt can of worms.

I'll be in Calgary in the next 2 weeks. Know of any good Lan parties that are going on?
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