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January 3, 2007 5:51:33 PM

One of my Dad's friend is currently trying to sell his sons computer seeing that he is going off to college and wont see any use with a desktop. If he cant sell it to people he knows, its most likely going to go on ebay. I might be interested. He's asking around 730-750 for the whole thing. Here is the specs:

Antec full tower case
Thermaltake TR2 430w Powersupply
MSI K8T Neo-F152R motherboard
AMD 3400+ Overclocked to 2.8 on air
2x1GB of OCZ Platinum PC3200 ram
2x200GB Seagate Harddrives Raid0
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS with remote
LG DVD-RW Drive
Floppy Drive
Viewsonic VX924 19 " LCD monitor 2ms response time
Saitek Illumintated keyboard
Razer Copperhead mouse
Logitech Extreme 3D Pro Joystick
Windows XP pro

Now here is the unfortunate part, it comes with a XFX 6800XT PCI-e :evil: 

I would most likely use this computer for server applications, some small video editing, and most likely use it for LAN events seeing that my other desktop is too valuable and most likely heavier.

Now here are my concerns:

1. Is this computer worth between 700-750? Some parts have been rarely used( I know ram for a fact is less than a couple of weeks old, and the 2nd harddrive was added about 2 months ago). I can maybe negotiate some sort of deal if possible.

2. Would this video card be suitable for now? Or should I change it soon?

3. Is the current powersupply able to handle all this hardware, it might be run 24/7 due to that I might host Servers in some games with this.

Thanks. :D 

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January 3, 2007 6:03:29 PM

Double post, respond to 1st topic.
January 3, 2007 6:28:22 PM

too late dufus... the forum puts latest replies on top. you already did that with ur own reply.

anyways... that LCD is nice and worth about $250 new. but the rest of that stuff... i dunno. the keyboard, mouse, and sound card are top of the line... but the CPU & mobo is... well... old.

Offer him $600 for it and replace the mobo/CPU.
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January 3, 2007 10:59:43 PM

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Double post, respond to 1st topic.

Good job! ROFL! GOOD DEAL! Except for the processor/board, BUT wow the other stuff is great.
January 3, 2007 11:19:59 PM

Yeah buy it off him for $600 and sell it yourself on ebay you get well over $600 if you sold the monitor ram new hard drive etc on ebay youd even probally find fool to buy a 6800xt for $70 or more on ebay
January 4, 2007 12:58:52 PM

It's ok but some of the components are a bit old eg CPU, PSU,GFX. You'd be better to spend a little bit more and get new components, eg low end Core 2 duo etc. If you buy it your gonna have to upgrade it fairly soon IMO
January 4, 2007 1:54:37 PM

Yup, the cpu is just old.
January 4, 2007 2:15:26 PM

You guys aren't seeing the big picture. I'd buy that for $600, no questions asked.

The 3400+ is still a fine gaming CPU. More than the CPU and Mobo though, that system has 2GB of quality RAM, a good PSU, nice raid system with a ton of HD space, nice keyboard... and if that's a full copy of WinXP with CD and serial that's a huge bonus. All of those things cost $$.

Sell that 6800 XT on ebay for $70, buy a $200 X1900 XT and that system will totally honk. There isn't a game out there it won't play smoothly at high detail and resolution with those specs.

Hell, I use a 3400+ for my Tom's reviews. 10,000+ 3dMarks don't lie, it's not the bleeding edge but it's damned capable. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't have personal experience with a single core Athlon 64.
January 4, 2007 2:19:45 PM

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There uisn't a game out there it won't play smoothly at high detail and resolution with those specs.

Unless some noob comes in and says the CPU is a "Major bottleneck for the X1900XT". :roll:
January 4, 2007 2:35:52 PM

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There uisn't a game out there it won't play smoothly at high detail and resolution with those specs.

Unless some noob comes in and says the CPU is a "Major bottleneck for the X1900XT". :roll:

:lol:  Those threads have died down lately, but for a while they were pretty constant. "The X1900XT Needs the Fastest CPU" anyone?
January 4, 2007 3:10:11 PM

Not sure I agree with that, PSU is quite low power for today's hardware, CPU is single core, HD space is cheap as chips these days, sound card is old, RAM is DDR not DDR 2, XP is good but vista is on the horizon. But I guess you do get a floppy drive.
January 4, 2007 3:10:19 PM

I'd try and price the parts out *new* for the guy and then put it on a list. Let's say its $800 for example (I have no idea becuase I'm not taking the time to price it :)  ), then give him a depreciated value. I'd say it'd be worth 70%-75% if the computer is about 1 year old (debate this if you want).

From the specs of it. With legit software included. Sounds like a good deal. Sure beats the P3 systems in my local newspaper classifieds going for $300 FIRM.
January 4, 2007 5:03:08 PM

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Not sure I agree with that, PSU is quite low power for today's hardware, CPU is single core, HD space is cheap as chips these days, sound card is old, RAM is DDR not DDR 2, XP is good but vista is on the horizon. But I guess you do get a floppy drive.


-What's wrong with that PSU? Looks like a good name brand with a good 12v rail to me. better than a generic 550w to be sure.

- A single core Athlon 64 will game as fast as a dual core A64 at the same speed and cache, unless the game is optimized for dual cores... which almost none are.

- How cheap is a 400 GB raid setup nowadays? I'm guessing at least $150.

- Quality OCZ Platinum DDR is MUCH better than generic DDR2 because good DDR has much better latencies

- XP will be around for a long time, and you can upgrade from it for cheaper than buying Vista

- I didn't even mention the 19" monitor...


Honestly, if you can find a better system for $600, please point it out...
but my money's on you not being able to do that. :) 
January 4, 2007 5:09:55 PM

Well, here's a system build:

Full Tower Case: Chenming ATX Full Tower Case - $96

I did not find an Antec case on Newegg but I believe this case looks very close to the ones Antec had a couple of years ago.

PSU: Thermaltake 430W PSU - $48

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego - $75

The 3400 isn't available so this would be the next best thing. Plus, it should OC to 2.6 or 2.8 no problem.

Mobo: Is this the correct model number? I went to MSI's website and couldn't find it. The only one I saw was the MSI K8N Neo4-F. This mobo isn't available at newegg so I'm picking the Asus A8N-E.

ASUS A8N-E - $81

Memory: OCZ Platinum DDR 400 2x1GB - $210 after MIR

HDD: Seagate 7200.10 200GB Perpendicular Drives SATA 3.0 GB/sec (2x$84) - $168

Sound Card: I don't see that sound card, so I'm just going to use the following one instead.

SB Audigy 4 SE - $50

DVD Player: LG 18X DVD Drive - $36

Floppy Drive: Sony 3.5" Floppy Drive - $12

Monitor: The VX924 isn't on Newegg, though the VX922 is.

Viewsonic VX922 - $270

Keyboard: Saitek Illuminated keyboard - $61

Mouse: Razer Copperhead Mouse - $65

Joystick: Logitech Extreme 3D Pro - $36

OS: MS XP Pro - $145

Video Card: XFX 6800XT - $141

All of these components costs $1494.

Now, for $1500, this is definitely not what I would recommend but its the value of what the components you listed is if bought new. So for the $730-$750 asked for it, is a good deal for what you want it for. You never said you wanted this for gaming, so the 6800XT will be good enough.

Just to make an even number, offer $700.
January 4, 2007 6:07:16 PM

Quote:
Well, here's a system build:

Full Tower Case: Chenming ATX Full Tower Case - $96

I did not find an Antec case on Newegg but I believe this case looks very close to the ones Antec had a couple of years ago.

PSU: Thermaltake 430W PSU - $48

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego - $75

The 3400 isn't available so this would be the next best thing. Plus, it should OC to 2.6 or 2.8 no problem.

Mobo: Is this the correct model number? I went to MSI's website and couldn't find it. The only one I saw was the MSI K8N Neo4-F. This mobo isn't available at newegg so I'm picking the Asus A8N-E.

ASUS A8N-E - $81

Memory: OCZ Platinum DDR 400 2x1GB - $210 after MIR

HDD: Seagate 7200.10 200GB Perpendicular Drives SATA 3.0 GB/sec (2x$84) - $168

Sound Card: I don't see that sound card, so I'm just going to use the following one instead.

SB Audigy 4 SE - $50

DVD Player: LG 18X DVD Drive - $36

Floppy Drive: Sony 3.5" Floppy Drive - $12

Monitor: The VX924 isn't on Newegg, though the VX922 is.

Viewsonic VX922 - $270

Keyboard: Saitek Illuminated keyboard - $61

Mouse: Razer Copperhead Mouse - $65

Joystick: Logitech Extreme 3D Pro - $36

OS: MS XP Pro - $145

Video Card: XFX 6800XT - $141

All of these components costs $1494.

Now, for $1500, this is definitely not what I would recommend but its the value of what the components you listed is if bought new. So for the $730-$750 asked for it, is a good deal for what you want it for. You never said you wanted this for gaming, so the 6800XT will be good enough.

Just to make an even number, offer $700.


Well I did want to use it at LAN events, but that wont be until the spring. I have contacted the buyer, planning to make the exchange this weekend. Thanks guys :D 
January 4, 2007 6:14:05 PM

What makes it a good deal, is everything BUT the motherboard/CPU. And even then, those pieces are nice for the moment.

Later on down the line if you decide to upgrade your system, you'd only need:
Video-cared, motherboard, CPU and ram.

You'd already have a good:
Case, Sound Card, Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor, VERY good hard drive set up and a "decent" power supply.

You couldn't get the good parts of that system for less than 700, anywhere. The monitor and mouse alone would bust 300.

Offer 600 cash and see what he says. If you're incredibly intent on spending 700-800 though, just know you COULD build something better than that tower, but don't expect a monitor that nice to come with it. Then again, most people game on widescreen nowadays anyway.
January 4, 2007 7:01:25 PM

Hmm, you wouldn't happen to live in South Range, Wisconsin.

And the computer in question wouldn't happen to be yellow?

And your buddy wouldn't happen to have a somewhat nice looking black/silver rectangular area rug somewhere in his house, would he?

Otherwise this guy is selling the exact same thing.
January 4, 2007 7:05:04 PM

It'd be pretty scary if it isn't the same guy. Quite the coincidence.
January 4, 2007 7:16:30 PM

Relax fella, I said it's "ok" in my first post but IMO not worth it I mean we've got quad core CPU's out now and games are starting to be optimised for dual core plus multiple cores don't just benefit games. I wouldn't spend that on the system, for a bit more you can get a much better system which will last you a few upgrades.
January 4, 2007 7:30:14 PM

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It'd be pretty scary if it isn't the same guy. Quite the coincidence.

8O 8O

That would be scary..... 8O
January 4, 2007 7:46:28 PM

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Relax fella, I said it's "ok" in my first post but IMO not worth it I mean we've got quad core CPU's out now and games are starting to be optimised for dual core plus multiple cores don't just benefit games. I wouldn't spend that on the system, for a bit more you can get a much better system which will last you a few upgrades.


lol. Well I don't know how you measure excitement but It's not quite there for me.

Obviously you don't think it's worth it, I'm just curious if you can justify that for us with a better alternative for a similar price... if you can't that's OK, I just disagree that it can be done.
January 4, 2007 9:01:21 PM

Quote:
Hmm, you wouldn't happen to live in South Range, Wisconsin.

And the computer in question wouldn't happen to be yellow?

And your buddy wouldn't happen to have a somewhat nice looking black/silver rectangular area rug somewhere in his house, would he?

Otherwise this guy is selling the exact same thing.


Well by god! That is the exact same thing! Only difference is I believe that one has the faceplate for the sound card, and its yellow. The one I am looking at is Silver/Gray. Oh also, I got my dad's friend to charge me 650 instead. I guess he was in dire need to sell it.
January 4, 2007 9:38:49 PM

Quote:
Hmm, you wouldn't happen to live in South Range, Wisconsin.

And the computer in question wouldn't happen to be yellow?

And your buddy wouldn't happen to have a somewhat nice looking black/silver rectangular area rug somewhere in his house, would he?

Otherwise this guy is selling the exact same thing.


Well by god! That is the exact same thing! Only difference is I believe that one has the faceplate for the sound card, and its yellow. The one I am looking at is Silver/Gray. Oh also, I got my dad's friend to charge me 650 instead. I guess he was in dire need to sell it. 8O 8O 8O that's pretty efin scary.
January 4, 2007 10:03:26 PM

Whats even more weird is shipping cost is free 8O
January 4, 2007 10:17:28 PM

Quote:
Hmm, you wouldn't happen to live in South Range, Wisconsin.

And the computer in question wouldn't happen to be yellow?

And your buddy wouldn't happen to have a somewhat nice looking black/silver rectangular area rug somewhere in his house, would he?

Otherwise this guy is selling the exact same thing.


Well by god! That is the exact same thing! Only difference is I believe that one has the faceplate for the sound card, and its yellow. The one I am looking at is Silver/Gray. Oh also, I got my dad's friend to charge me 650 instead. I guess he was in dire need to sell it. 8O 8O 8O that's pretty efin scary.
Too scary to imagine. 8O 8O 8O
a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2007 2:09:26 AM

Quote:
Hmm, you wouldn't happen to live in South Range, Wisconsin.

And the computer in question wouldn't happen to be yellow?

And your buddy wouldn't happen to have a somewhat nice looking black/silver rectangular area rug somewhere in his house, would he?

Otherwise this guy is selling the exact same thing.

Wow, I think you found it. :wink:
January 5, 2007 2:02:14 PM

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One of my Dad's friend is currently trying to sell his sons computer seeing that he is going off to college and wont see any use with a desktop.


WTF is the son thinking? Not use a desktop at college? HWAT?

Who doesn't game while in college? Classes don't take up that much time. Even having a gf, working out, and partying will leave time to play some games. Wanna destress before a test? An hour or two of any fine game will do the trick!
April 12, 2012 8:18:21 AM

Привет!
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