Wait for E4300?

[DennyCraneBL]

I am building a budget dual-core PC, it will only be used for moderate gaming / watching multimedia / internet and tasks, but to future proof it I want it to be dual - core.

I hear the E4300 are about to crash on to the dual core market, and be budget orientated.

Will they be released in the United Kingdom soon? As we are actually down a PC and want to build one soon, will they hit the US first and take ages to get here - or will it be pretty close?

 

[o1die]

I wouldn't wait. The 4300 won't be that much cheaper than the 6300, which is also due for a modest price cut soon.

 

[qcmadness]

I am building a budget dual-core PC, it will only be used for moderate gaming / watching multimedia / internet and tasks, but to future proof it I want it to be dual - core.

I hear the E4300 are about to crash on to the dual core market, and be budget orientated.

Will they be released in the United Kingdom soon? As we are actually down a PC and want to build one soon, will they hit the US first and take ages to get here - or will it be pretty close?

E4300 is not very price competitive until Q2 price drop.

x2 3800+ and E6300 still hold their place now and before Q2.

 

[Talon]

I have to agree with the sentiment of the above posters. The price difference won't be substantial for a while. If you have need of another PC build a E6300 machine and enjoy it while everyone else waits

 

[m25]

I'd not wait for a lower end Core2, especially if only $10-20 cheaper than the 6300+. Hope this review is elpful:
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-1058-view-core-2-Duo-e4300-benchmark-and-performance-review.html

The english is not excellent and the 3800+ is inreality a X2 3800+ (he mentions that before). Overall performance is just microns above that of the X2 3800+, much lower than the ridiculous 30MHz of difference from the 6300 suggest.
The only strong point is the 9X multiplier and good overclocking.

 

[epsilon84]

I'd not wait for a lower end Core2, especially if only $10-20 cheaper than the 6300+. Hope this review is elpful:
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-1058-view-core-2-Duo-e4300-benchmark-and-performance-review.html

The english is not excellent and the 3800+ is inreality a X2 3800+ (he mentions that before). Overall performance is just microns above that of the X2 3800+, much lower than the ridiculous 30MHz of difference from the 6300 suggest.
The only strong point is the 9X multiplier and good overclocking.

The charts don't support your claims. The E4300 slots in well between the X2 3800+ and E6300. It is also 66MHz slower, not 30MHz, compared to the E6300.

The 9x multipier is of paramount importance to an overclocker. It doesn't require high speed RAM and 450FSB capable mobos for 3GHz+ overclocks, something the E6300 can not boast.

 

[m25]

The charts don't support your claims. The E4300 slots in well between the X2 3800+ and E6300. It is also 66MHz slower, not 30MHz, compared to the E6300.

It's clearly much nearer to the X2 3800+ than the E6300 and the 3800+ has the price in favor (motherboard price included).

The 9x multipier is of paramount importance to an overclocker. It doesn't require high speed RAM and 450FSB capable mobos for 3GHz+ overclocks, something the E6300 can not boast.

I know the 9X multi is great and coupled with great Ocing capabilities it's the only killing feature of the E4300. It's great for overclockers, however, making a bit of price analysis, buyers mostly don't spread in spectrum; If you want to buy a good dual core CPU and you want it cheap, you start around $100 (the 3800+ is sliding here), pass by the $140-160 mark (E4300) but if you spend around this amount, you start sticking aroud the $200 of the E6400; good multi, better perormance/clock than the 4300.
It's not that I don't like the 4300, it's just that it's somehow in the middle; more pricy then the cheapest options and slightly less than a really good option.

 

[joefriday]

The E4300 will run on the 800fsb. so 200 x 9 = 1800MHz. That's what makes it an excellent overclocking chip.

If the original poster, if you don't plan on overclocking, the 3800 or the E6300 will both suit you well. The E4300 will be here, and most likely available in the UK, in less than two weeks. At the longest I'd say you might have to wait till the end of January. Either way, if you're not overclocking, the E6300 or X2 3800 will be good choices as well.

 

[slim142]

Yes, I agree with the others. Go for the E6300 since by the time the E4xx series are released, the E6300 are gonna be for a good price but the E6300 would still be the best choice.

 

[epsilon84]

I know the 9X multi is great and coupled with great Ocing capabilities it's the only killing feature of the E4300. It's great for overclockers, however, making a bit of price analysis, buyers mostly don't spread in spectrum; If you want to buy a good dual core CPU and you want it cheap, you start around $100 (the 3800+ is sliding here), pass by the $140-160 mark (E4300) but if you spend around this amount, you start sticking aroud the $200 of the E6400; good multi, better perormance/clock than the 4300.
It's not that I don't like the 4300, it's just that it's somehow in the middle; more pricy then the cheapest options and slightly less than a really good option.

The X2 3800+ is $140, not $100. The E4300 should come down to around $165 once the price gouging ends. The E6400 only has an 8x multiplier, and costs $220. Performance/clock advantage vs E4300 is almost non existent. A faster FSB does next to nothing for C2D, unless you're the type to get excited over a 2% performance increase. http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795&p=6

Let's see the requirements for a 3.2GHz overclock for the low end C2Ds:

E4300 - 355MHz FSB / DDR2-710
E6300 - 457MHz FSB / DDR2-914
E6400 - 400MHz FSB / DDR2-800

The E4300 has by far the least stringent FSB and RAM requirements.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the E4300 is by far the best choice for a budget overclocker. The savings you get from this chip extend far beyond the CPU price alone - you can also utlise cheaper RAM and less expensive mobos. Some of the cheaper P965 boards simply won't overclock much past 350 - 400MHz FSB. With such boards, you won't be able to unleash the potential of an E6300/E6400 chip. It is not the case with the E4300.

Obviously, at stock speeds, the E4300 is not that exciting, as it essentially slots in between the X2 3800+ and E6300, and lacks VT as well.

 

[evilr00t]

I know the 9X multi is great and coupled with great Ocing capabilities it's the only killing feature of the E4300. It's great for overclockers, however, making a bit of price analysis, buyers mostly don't spread in spectrum; If you want to buy a good dual core CPU and you want it cheap, you start around $100 (the 3800+ is sliding here), pass by the $140-160 mark (E4300) but if you spend around this amount, you start sticking aroud the $200 of the E6400; good multi, better perormance/clock than the 4300.
It's not that I don't like the 4300, it's just that it's somehow in the middle; more pricy then the cheapest options and slightly less than a really good option.

The X2 3800+ is $140, not $100. The E4300 should come down to around $165 once the price gouging ends. The E6400 only has an 8x multiplier, and costs $220. Performance/clock advantage vs E4300 is almost non existent. A faster FSB does next to nothing for C2D, unless you're the type to get excited over a 2% performance increase. http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795&p=6

Let's see the requirements for a 3.2GHz overclock for the low end C2Ds:

E4300 - 355MHz FSB / DDR2-710
E6300 - 457MHz FSB / DDR2-914
E6400 - 400MHz FSB / DDR2-800

The E4300 has by far the least stringent FSB and RAM requirements.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the E4300 is by far the best choice for a budget overclocker. The savings you get from this chip extend far beyond the CPU price alone - you can also utlise cheaper RAM and less expensive mobos. Some of the cheaper P965 boards simply won't overclock much past 350 - 400MHz FSB.

Obviously, at stock speeds, it's not that exciting, as it essentially slots in between the X2 3800+ and E6300, and lacks VT as well.

It's great for us budget overclockers, especially when overclocking ram costs a truckload!

 

[lltfdaniel]

Well if you get a motherboard that can handle 266mhz speeds and can oc, useing 266mhz ddr 2 ram , you would get a cheap 2394 mhz dual core,

thats close to 2.4ghz eh,on 2mb cache, that would be near a e6600 in terms of performance,useing cheaper ram and motherboard,

Prehaps on stock fan.

Yeah this be great for budget overclockers.

 

[epsilon84]

The E4300 would also be a great choice for those wanting to upgrade to C2D while still keeping their old DDR RAM and/or AGP graphics card.

The Asrock 775 DualVSTA is a popular choice at the moment, at $50 its great value but it lacks overclocking headroom, topping out at around the 300MHz FSB mark.

With an E4300, that would equate to 2.7GHz. With an E6300, you'll only get 2.1GHz, and 2.4GHz with an E6400.

 

[lltfdaniel]

Well a e4300 @ 1.8ghz its like 5-10% faster then a x3800, really with those overclocked speeds you will get a faster then a e6400 surely, at like 2.6 to2.7ghz,while being it is near a e6600 performance ;-).

So basicly it is likely you can get away with buying a cheaper motherboard,and cheaper ram and working out cheaper then a processer at stock speed, like a e6400,so when its overclocked at like 2.4 to 2.7ghz its going to be i think nearer to e6600 speed then e 6400 speed, useing cheaper stuff to overclock.

 

[epsilon84]

Well a e4300 @ 1.8ghz its like 5-10% faster then a x3800, really with those overclocked speeds you will get a faster then a e6400 surely, at like 2.6 to2.7ghz,while being it is near a e6600 performance ;-).

At 2.7GHz it'll be closer to E6700 levels actually. The E6700 runs at 2.66GHz but has 4MB of L2 cache. The E6600 runs at 2.4GHz.

 

[Invader]

I am waiting for the E4400 which is being released in Q2 for only $133 (the E4300 will be reduced to $113 then). The E4400 has a 10x mutiplier which means I could o/c it to 3Ghz with my $40 AsRock 775i65G mb @ 1200FSB.

 

[m25]

Not exactly; the 3800+ is around $130 retail and OEM around $120. Few days ago I found on newegg an OEM 3800+ for $110.