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amd x2 dual core am2 3600+ or Pentium D 820

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January 6, 2007 2:09:51 PM

i am building a new system and looking for a new processor and motherboard.
Though i am not into any serious gaming i prefer a dual core processor.
even from a home user point of view i think a dual core is what i needed.
My primary works are based on 3dsmax, autocad,premiere and a little gaming, but i am confused wether it should be amd x2 dual core am2 3600+
or
the Pentium D 820 2.8Ghz Dual Core.pls don't suggest a conreo/ c2d E6300 ,because here in india there is a big price difference and in between the above,Pentium D 820 is less expensive.waiting for the suggestions.Thankyou
January 6, 2007 2:13:55 PM

I'd get the 3600+ if I could. It runs cooler and performs about the same, if not better.
January 6, 2007 2:22:50 PM

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i am building a new system and looking for a new processor and motherboard.
Though i am not into any serious gaming i prefer a dual core processor.
even from a home user point of view i think a dual core is what i needed.
My primary works are based on 3dsmax, autocad,premiere and a little gaming, but i am confused wether it should be amd x2 dual core am2 3600+
or
the Pentium D 820 2.8Ghz Dual Core.pls don't suggest a conreo/ c2d E6300 ,because here in india there is a big price difference and in between the above,Pentium D 820 is less expensive.waiting for the suggestions.Thankyou


What are the prices for them?
x2 3600+ is surely faster than P-D 820.
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January 6, 2007 2:33:49 PM

prices?i will post them.but can i include links?
January 6, 2007 2:52:00 PM

AMD 3600+ Socket AM2 Processor
Hyper-Transport Support: Yes
L1 Cache: 128KB+128KB
L2 Cache: 2 x 256KB
Multi-Core: Dual-Core
Operating Frequency: 2.0GHz



Intel Pentium D 820 2.8Ghz Dual Core
800MHz FSB 2MB L2 LGA775 EM64T Processor
64 bit Support: Yes
Hyper-Threading Support: No
L1 Cache: 24KB+32KB
L2 Cache: 2 x 1MB
Multi-Core: Dual-Core

What about the L2 cache?it shows faster than the Athlon 64 X2 3600
January 6, 2007 3:03:33 PM

Don't worry, cache isn't everything. Even with less cache, X2s can outperform Pentium D's.
January 6, 2007 3:04:54 PM

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prices?i will post them.but can i include links?


Links are always nice.
January 6, 2007 3:13:24 PM

I'd like to see some 3600+ benchies posted, if anyone has links on hand.
January 6, 2007 3:29:08 PM

Thanks guys .here are the links I was still looking at the Pentium D 820 because it's priced at Rs.4990 and the Athlon 64 X2 3600 at Rs.6300

http://www.techmirchi.com/index.asp?display=&home=no&ca...

http://www.techmirchi.com/index.asp?display=Components&...

The pentiums as a whole

http://www.techmirchi.com/index.asp?cat=Components&subc...

and the amd
http://www.techmirchi.com/index.asp?cat=Components&subc...

However i got a max budget of rs 7000 for the processor
January 6, 2007 4:12:42 PM

If you really want to save money you can always buy a 820 now and a Core 2 compatible motherboard.
January 6, 2007 4:15:56 PM

amd
Cache:L1 128KB+128KB
L2 Cache: 2 x 256KB


intel
L1 Cache: 24KB+32KB
L2 Cache: 2 x 1MB

What does the these cache's mean.can anyone tell more about this?am not
deep into hardware though.the L1 seems to be higher for amd
January 6, 2007 4:17:56 PM

The X2 3600 would definitely beat a Pentium D 820, but I'd save for the X2 3800 because it has twice the cache. The 256KB of cache on the 3600 really makes it a dual core Sempron.

EDIT: misspelled "cache" as "cash"... lol.
January 6, 2007 4:26:20 PM

Thanks.if i choose amd x2 3600+ and no video card,reg mother board which one will be better asus nvidia 6150/6100
January 6, 2007 4:41:13 PM

the x2 3600 will serve you better overall for sure
January 6, 2007 4:47:31 PM

I would be greatful to hear more suggestions
January 6, 2007 4:57:56 PM

The 6150 is the faster onboard GPU. However, if you don't plan to use onboard graphics, I doubt it will make much of a difference.
January 6, 2007 5:05:56 PM

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The 6150 is the faster onboard GPU. However, if you don't plan to use onboard graphics, I doubt it will make much of a difference.

am not a serious gamer(oh,where is my spare time)so hence no video card.but i will add a geforce low end 7 series card later.Thanks
January 6, 2007 5:09:55 PM

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I would buy the x2 3600+ and overclock it. I remember seeing a review on it and it took the x2 3600+ and overclocked it to 5000+ speeds and was extremely close to the 5000+ in performance. So close you would never know the difference. In most apps as far as AMD's are concerned cache makes little to no difference in performance.


Thanks for the info,but which software can be used for overclocking?How far it will safe regarding the temprature of the cpu if i overclock
January 6, 2007 7:57:06 PM

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The X2 3600 would definitely beat a Pentium D 820, but I'd save for the X2 3800 because it has twice the cache. The 256KB of cache on the 3600 really makes it a dual core Sempron.

EDIT: misspelled "cache" as "cash"... lol.
The difference between the x2 3600+ and the x2 3800+ is very minimal.

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Although Athlon 64 X2 3600+ features half the L2 cache compared with the “fully-fledged” dual-core Athlon 64 X2 CPUs and hence can be regarded as a “dual-core Sempron” at some point, its performance didn’t suffer that much. In the worst case, Athlon 64 X2 3600+ is no more than 5% behind the 3800+ model with the same nominal clock speed of 2GHz. And in fact, there are very few applications like that. In other words, Athlon 64 X2 3600+ offers very decent performance, especially keeping in mind that it is less expensive than the 3800+ model.



http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-x...
January 6, 2007 8:27:03 PM

I stand corrected. Considering the price difference between the X2 3600+ and the X2 3800+ on the site that the OP gave, and the minimal performance difference, go for the X2 3600+.
January 7, 2007 5:06:56 AM

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Why not get am2 x2 x3800+ its 135 bucks. Good performance, 65W, runs cool. Will do the job.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

If you are on a budget i understand.

Keep in mind that c2d E4300 is coming in next month or so (Jan 21st) it will be around 130 bucks if iam not mistaken. It will outpeform both the x2 3800+ and D820. Overclocks nicly.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=12...


E4300 will be priced at US$163 as rumours said.
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Rumoured-Proces...
January 7, 2007 3:56:47 PM

When did the x2 3600 get released?, I have yet to see it on pricewatch or pricegrabber
January 7, 2007 3:59:54 PM

Btw, i would go with the x2 3600 too, the p805 chips do run hot, and i know in india its probably pretty hot, so you want a cool running system
January 7, 2007 4:18:14 PM

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When did the x2 3600 get released?, I have yet to see it on pricewatch or pricegrabber

In fact it is an unannounced chip.
January 7, 2007 4:47:45 PM

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In fact it is an unannounced chip.


Where the bloody hell did ya hear that?
January 7, 2007 5:28:57 PM

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In fact it is an unannounced chip.


Where the bloody hell did ya hear that?

You cannot find it in AMD's official price list.
Originally it was sold in Hong Kong, but now I know that there will be no more x2 3600+ in Hong Kong.
January 7, 2007 7:26:20 PM

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In fact it is an unannounced chip.


Where the bloody hell did ya hear that?

You cannot find it in AMD's official price list.
Originally it was sold in Hong Kong, but now I know that there will be no more x2 3600+ in Hong Kong.

That doesn't make it "unannouced" as you put it, it makes it out of production.
January 7, 2007 9:27:36 PM

I think the X2 3600+ is mainly for OEMs. I think I've seen a few being sold over here in Australia though...
January 7, 2007 10:18:31 PM

He is in India, and he said the Core 2 cpu's are priced much higher there, so quoting the prices we pay for them, or will pay for them, does the OP no good. He is looking at the stated cpu's because they are in his price range, while the Core 2 cpu's he has stated are out of his price range.

wes
January 20, 2007 7:16:25 PM

Unless I have missed it, no one here has posted the difference between the 3800+ X2 and the 3600+ X2. The 3600+ is a 65nm process, while the 3800+ was manufactured using the older 90nm process. I'd definitely go with the 3600+ X2 if I could. Just my $0.02.
January 20, 2007 7:39:51 PM

Buy an 90nm X2 3600+ 2GHz 2x256kB L2. It is faster than Pentium D 820!
January 20, 2007 7:55:29 PM

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Buy an 90nm X2 3600+ 2GHz 2x256kB L2. It is faster than Pentium D 820!


I'd say the 65nm version if possible.
January 20, 2007 8:00:18 PM

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I think the X2 3600+ is mainly for OEMs. I think I've seen a few being sold over here in Australia though...

Wasn't it initially a S939 part? I thought I heard something about it being released over a year ago on S939.
Edit: I just did some reading and I guess not...
-mcg
January 20, 2007 8:07:47 PM

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Unless I have missed it, no one here has posted the difference between the 3800+ X2 and the 3600+ X2. The 3600+ is a 65nm process, while the 3800+ was manufactured using the older 90nm process. I'd definitely go with the 3600+ X2 if I could. Just my $0.02.


Considering the problems 65 nm has at both clocking / memory dividing due to odd multpliers / latency this is a bad recommendation.

A 65 nm 3800+ process for example, will on average perform about 100 model numbers down, a 4800+ 65 nm processor, for example is yielding on average the same rough performance as a 4600+ 90 nm processor.

The better deal for OCing and all around performance is the 3800+ 90 nm... avoid 65 nm for another 2 quarters if you can.

Also, AMD does indeed make a 90 nm 3600+ which will likley nudge out the 3600+ 65 nm processor in terms of performance.

There are a handful of reviews out on the 65 nm process not meeting expectations:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=288...
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=289...
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_athlon_64_4800_65-n...
http://www.trustedreviews.com/cpu-memory/review/2007/01...
(woohoo 3.0 GHz limit on a 5000+, less than 90 nm.... :)  )


Techreport and Lost Circuits have also done reviews...

Jack

I don't know about the 90nm 3600 outperforming the 65nm version. The 65nm version has double the cache and 100 fewer Mhz. Head to head benchmarks would probably be needed to get a good idea of how that affects it. I'm also not sure how overclocking is for both of them, but 90nm is pretty proven and it seems that the 65nm versions might just be the lowest performing 65nm Brisbane chips being sold off, so they may not do well at all.
January 20, 2007 8:24:24 PM

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Buy an 90nm X2 3600+ 2GHz 2x256kB L2. It is faster than Pentium D 820!


I'd say the 65nm version if possible.
The 90nm 3600+ is faster than the 65nm 3600+. Also I don't belive that he can find a 65nm 3600+.
February 10, 2007 2:08:36 PM

I have ended up with amd x2 dual core am2 3600+ and asus m2npv-mx
nvidia 6150 motherboard.I have both windows 2000 and windows xp installed
and the graphic applications (3D MAX)run smooth in xp rather than 2000.Regardings games Brothers in arms runs niece in good resolutions,also san andreas but not a big deal with Nfs Most Wanted-the resolution has to be kept at a minimum ,below 800*600.However i am happy with the system perfomance as a whole.I am not a gaming guy though.I just want to express my gratitude to all persons who efforts helped me in this thread.THIS IS A GREAT FORUM :roll:
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