x.... tested the new AMD 4800+++++ and has lower performance and no new features wow amdati or adti or amai or amti, ya amti has release the new slower 4800 but it does cost less to make!
xbit (can i quote them i hope i don't get banned) wrote:
"The new 65nm Brisbane core can’t provoke a revolution on the CPU market. From an ordinary user’s point of view, the processors based on the new core differ but little from their predecessors. The new core doesn’t feature any improvements on the micro-architecture level and its frequency potential doesn’t differ much from that of the older Windsor core."
"But is this enough to make the new CPUs appealing in the eyes of the rapidly dispersing crowd of AMD fans? We guess, not. Especially as the Brisbane’s drawback – it works slower than the previous core with data in memory– may outweigh the good points mentioned."
jsut to be fair it does appear it has some improvements:
"As for consumer properties of the new CPUs, the Brisbane core does offer something positive. First of all, the 65nm CPUs have become more economical (if you don’t compare them with the older models from the Energy Efficient series) – all the new CPU models on the Brisbane core will fit within a TDP of 65W. Second, the new CPUs may be somewhat better to deal with for an overclocker."
ok, i admit it when intel came out with the 800 series and 900 series - sure i was still using 3.6j for 4.25 systems - i am die hard intel! i did build 2 965 systems! never owned a 800-series.
800 series + core 2 = quadcore (foot note in history)
as a final thought:
if a amti 4800 = intel p4 at 4.8ghz
then intel e6400 = amd 4800 @ 6.4ghz????
im disappointed in amd as well for not continuing 939 support however i wouldnt get too worked up. amd is in the middle of its cycle right now and for 5 years they beat up intel. its going to swing back and forth more now that intel finally woke up and will redesign their chips more frequently.
im hoping that they offset eachother nicely. odd numbered years intel kicks ass and even numbered years amd kicks ass. that way they keep eachother motivated and keep prices down. im admittedly an ati fan and to a lesser extent amd fan, however im also a cheap bastard and i want the most performance for my money. the future looks bright indeed.
(yawn) I didn't think the new 4800's were ever intended to "provoke a revolution in the market" Blah, blah, blah mixed with a little SPAM is all I see in your post, sorry.
Ya - while the media has been really nice to amd. As u say, 4 socket changes little criticism. The media amd lov affair is ending it appears- very little criticism of the underdog. I am almost feeling bad for amd after being a diehard intel user.
am2 is a joke. They should have just scraped that idea in the first place. Intel at leasts knows they're going to defeat that last chipset w/ their launches. I'd buy a 939, but eh, I'm going for intel this time.
This is AMD's first 65nm core revision, subsequent revisions may clock higher. If AMD can keep prices down, the end result could be a good value for overclockers.
Bah, pick on AMD all you want. I used them up until this last build, C2 E6600 after being a die hard intel fan for years.
All I can say to anyone that feels the need to rip apart AMD now....one word.....RAMBUS.
That should shut the intel fanboys up, LOL.
Nothing really wrong with RAMBUS... the technology was (and still is) good. Just expensive.
Missed the point.....but ok. What was your point? I don't really think RAMBUS was a huge blunder on Intels part... now if you mentioned the 1.13GHz P3...
You're right, RAMBUS was a huge success, what was I thinking.
Well, I doubt it hurt Intel much financially... there are a lot of RAMBUS based PCs around. Besides its not like they have bad performance. What are you trying to say? That RAMBUS (RDRAM, actually) was a horrible blunder because it didn't have as much market acceptance as DDR? So it didn't go as Intel wanted... big deal. I can think of much better examples of Intel mistakes than RAMBUS.
Pointless thread, why do people insist on trying to start wars? This thread served no purpose but to start a war.
wes
After getting banned yesterday what i see this morning! AMD headlines THG!
First, I wish I could retract the thread, the fact is its poorly written - in fact i even got banned for spamming was it this thread? Today what i see! I see today THG has an article on this same issue! O-boy, now, I am now going try to make the original point.
To summarize my point: AMD offers nothing, you are wasting your money if you buy a new amd mobo or computer and the media is still biased with amd favoritism! AGAIN a total waste! I do not own intel stock work for them or does anyone i know own their stock or work from them.
Second, I did try to retract this thread. Yes, I am new, I did not know you can not edit the original thread post or retract it. I started this thread for people who are trying to decide amd or intel, not for current amd or most certainly not for die hard AMTI fans. I have responded in bulk to many of the positive and negative posts.
> StrangeStranger wrote: ( bias response, rude and ugly)---> "your a few weeks late and also a troll. stfu and go away" my response ---> Ya this thread may sux, yes it was poorly written. BUT IT IS FOR people who are trying decide to go amd or intel in their next build, NOT AMD GROUPIES. Even consider AMD is waste and because of media bias!
>turpit wrote (bias response) -->"old news" truth-->It looks like I wrote this 2 days before THG article, old new?
If you read the article: AMD newest products on new die fab are slower and offer no new features. It sounds like the same point that p4/netburst was in spring of 2004. Anyone who buys a AMD mobo is wasting their money. Title is "Can AMD fight back", wouldn't "AMD offers nothing new" be a better title? If this was intel you know the titlle would be something like: "Intel new fab is slower" or "intel offers nothing new in fab"- my point again is the amd bias.
This thread was intended for people all over this forum are still asking which system amd or intel. If you even considering amd it because 1) your just amd person 2) the media bias towards amd.
>cwj717 wrote: (good question) -----> "What was your point? I don't really think RAMBUS was a huge blunder on Intels part... now if you mentioned the 1.13GHz P3..."
The point of thread was directed to people who do not know, live and eat this stuff. That amd offers nothing, 4 different sockets, a new 4x4 system with 2 coolers? for home marker? Poor performance and nothing of interest coming up in the future.
Look back, If you bought 754- then u need a 939 board - if you just got the new AM2 mobo then you need a 4x4 board. If you did get a 939 board last year now you have get new ram for it, when amd was slow to adopt ddr2.
> NovaThunder wrote: (AMD bias)---> "useless post admin LOCK THIS POST FOREVER its only ****&
+ core 2 
= quadcore 
(foot note in history)
