I want to Challenge DELL!

BigCharb · Jan 10, 2007

SUP, i recently built a comp and i plan to sell it to friend. i would like to use that cash to build a comp that will be on par with the latest Dell gaming comp, the 710. the only problem is that i don't know what parts i need to do it because I'm on a budget of 1700$. do i wait till prices fall? any ideas of what i can do?

Thanx

BigCharb · Jan 10, 2007

yah, thats what my friend did...he bought an XPS a year a go and its not enough for him. i told him that i can make a comp that will beat the flagship dell, he like "ok there". i'm going to make a comp that will.

dos1986 · Jan 10, 2007

Pretty easy to build a better gaming pc than dells 710 for equivalent price your sig is a decent rig whats wrong with dat

http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/cto_xpsdt_710?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

BigCharb · Jan 10, 2007

I'm selling it to my friend for 1700 and wit that cash I'm going to make a comp that will challenge Dell. i don't see my comp in my sig can even compare to the 710, its got quad core Oc'd at 3.4. I'm thinking I'll have to get an E6700 and oc like no tomorrow to beat the dell

P.S. I'm serious about this build, I'm looking at different sites on peoples max over clocks wit different processors, I'm going to do it. :twisted:

AMDThunder · Jan 10, 2007

It's easy enough to build a system that is just as good as dells best gamer but you will end up paying more for it then just buying the dell.

My $.02

Did I read that right? Dell's prices are outrageous. I'd take my rig over Dell's midrange XPS 410, and it cost less than half of what that Dell does.

Featherstone · Jan 10, 2007

In my experience building a comp is much cheaper. My dad's company recently had a 17% off dell computers deal and I priced building a computer vs the dell deal. I got a better, faster, more future proof computer for cheaper even after the 17% discount.

Theres my 3 cents. =)

dos1986 · Jan 10, 2007

dos1986 · Jan 10, 2007

Where are you buying your dells from Bigcharb quad core Oc'd at 3.4 will cost well over $4000 from the site

JMecc · Jan 10, 2007

Newegg:

$221 Processor - C2D E6400
$195 Mobo - Asus P5B Dx
$200 RAM - OCZ Gold 2GB PC2-6400
$290 Vid Card - XFX 512MB 7950GT
$150 HD - 2xBarracuda 7200.10 250GB in Raid0
$100 Case Antec P180
$120 Power Supply - OCZ GameXStream 700W
$30 DVD - LG +/- R Burner

Total $1306 (after many rebates)

With the rest get a 2nd of the same vid card for sli or just upgrade to one 8800GS.

Jo

snakedude · Jan 10, 2007

Hey, i go to school wit BigCharb. yah..hes a little crazy when it comes to overclocking. as you can see from this thred he has high hopes to beat the 710 for under 2grand. i personaly think its possible in...4 months LOL, c ya tomorow G.

needbe · Jan 10, 2007

If you price a $1700 xps comp from dell, and price the same system from cyberpowerpc, its come to around $1388. Don't know what PSU or motherboard dell uses, but that price in the cyber power includes a 680 watt PSU, a Asus P5N32-E nForce 680i SLI Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard, a logitech laser keyboard and mouse, and liquid cooling.

You can preorder it and still make $300, just think how much you could make if you built it.

p8ntslinger676 · Jan 10, 2007

If you price a $1700 xps comp from dell, and price the same system from cyberpowerpc, its come to around $1388. Don't know what PSU or motherboard dell uses, but that price in the cyber power includes a 680 watt PSU, a Asus P5N32-E nForce 680i SLI Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard, a logitech laser keyboard and mouse, and liquid cooling.

You can preorder it and still make $300, just think how much you could make if you built it.

you make me lol, any computer that you would buy from a manufacturer that had "liquid cooling" is sub par, it will perform about as good if not a little less than good air cooling, and it is also most likely will not give you any performance boost seeing as you still will never see the light of quality overclocking with it, hell I have a good quality water cooling setup that I put together spending a little under $500 on it and I still have hit a wall at 4GHz with my e6600 so it wont be till I put together a nice new phase change unit till I will be able to have my 4.5GHz every day machine, and to who ever said, you should just go buy a dell, please STFU and GTFO now cus you my friend have a lot of learning to do.

Bobsama · Jan 10, 2007

Heh... you're all comparing apples to oranges.

http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/cto_xpsdt_710?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
Check the model on the far right...
I'll summarize it for people who don't want to go there and look.
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300
nForce 590 motherboard
WinXP Media Centre 2005
nVidia GeForce 7900 GS (256mb)
1GB of PC5400 (667mhz) (2 x 512mb, dual channel)
250GB S-ATA Hard Drive, 7200RPM
20.1" Widescreen LCD
16x CD/DVD burner
15 months of AntiVirus
MS Works 8
750-watt power supply
1 Year Warranty
$2000 price tag, excluding tax and shipping

Here's a good design for a solid rig-quite a bit less expensive while faster
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600, Retail - $320
ECS PN2 SLI2+ nVidia nForce 680i SLI motherboard - $240
WinXP Media Centre 2005 with Vista upgrade - $110
nVidia GeForce 7900 GS KO - $185
Corsair TWINX 2GB of PC5400 (667mhz) (2 x 1024mb, dual channel) - $240
Western Digital Caviar SE 16, 250GB SATA 300 Hard Drive, 7200RPM, OEM - $85
Sceptre X20WG Naga, 20.1" Widescreen LCD, 5ms refresh, 1000:1 contrast, 1680x1050 resolution - $250
Dual Sony DRU-120C DVD Burners - $40 each, $80 total
Microsoft Office 2003 Basic, OEM or Office 2003 S&T Edition - $170 or $135
Coolmax XC1-600B, 600-watt Power supply, PCI-e SLI ready, sata-ready - $100
Ultra Wizard Black ATX Mid-Tower - $35

$1815 price tag, excluding tax, labour, and shipping
Boosts include a faster processor, next-gen motherboard, twice as much memory, dual DVD burners, and a full office suite. Price without these boosts would decrease rapidly.

Intel C2D E6300 - $191 ($129 saved)
Corsair TWINX 1GB of PC5400 (667mhz) (2 x 512mb, dual channel) - $107 ($133 saved)
Single Sony DRU-120C DVD Burner - $40 ($40 saved)
Total with these three basic items cut back... $1513

True this will be a bit above your budget with full or $200 saved if you scale it a bit down... the places to cut prices are going to NewEgg for a nForce 650 motherboard, a C2D E6300 or E6400 processor, a single DVD burner, a less-expensive office suite, or less RAM.

Put together at TigerDirect; many rebates will apply. Price will be below $1815, closer to $1645 without shipping+tax but with rebates.

nhobo · Jan 10, 2007

It's easy enough to build a system that is just as good as dells best gamer but you will end up paying more for it then just buying the dell.

Dell 710 H2C parts retail including case and OS +/- $4,000

Dell 710 H2C Price = $5,499

ches111 · Jan 10, 2007

Big,

With the OC'd quad, dual 160gb 10K drives, OC'd dual 8800s, and 4gb of DDR2-800mhz, considering the case and PSU it will be difficult to build an XPS 710 buster at $1700. (PS.. they include a 20.1 inch widescreen too)

I have been tracking a similar build for a while now and with everything listed and being pretty frugal (not actually the best thing to do in a high end PC build) you are looking at ~$3285.00 prior to shipping costs. With another roughly $75.00 on top of that for shipping.

This is of course a mostly Newegg build..

Good luck beating it performance wise with $1700.

Probably NOT going to happen.

BUT I would love to see me eat my words

.

eatinpaper · Jan 10, 2007

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827136103
dvd burner-30

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119115
case-30

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148140
hdd-100

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145590
2 gb ram (you don't need 4 gb) 230

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131142
motherboard-150

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153039
psu-150

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115005
cpu-190

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133187
2x gpu- 1100

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835185027
cpu cooler-50

windos-89 or linux is free

This will run you up about 2k + shipping. It's a little over what you initially wanted to spend but for 300 extra dollars you can have pretty similar performance as long as you oc the cpu to 3 ghz. The only thing worse is the cpu and the ram but nobody needs the 4 gb and the cpu can be brought up to 3 ghz instantly. The only thing much worse is hard drives. You may however actually have to get a slightly better psu because the 8800 gtx's are power hungry animals.

turboflame · Jan 10, 2007

Here's what I would go for:

GIGABYTE GA-965G-DS3 LGA 775 Intel G965 - $135 - This board should easily handle some overclocking

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M - $318 - overclocks easily and can then match with or outperform the overclocked quad core

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 - $270 - looks like some great RAM for overclocking

eVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB - $400 - high performance and dx10

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA - $95

LITE-ON SATA DVD Burner - $36

Antec True Power Trio TP3-650 ATX12V 650W Power Supply - $130 - seems like plenty to power the beast

Thermaltake Tsunami VA3000BWA Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $116 - looks better than a dell

Microsoft Windows XP Pro SP2b 1pk w/Upgrade Coupon for Vista - $140

All of this comes to about $1640 plus shipping which is around $30

Later on you could add a sound card or a new monitor if you want

ches111 · Jan 10, 2007

Eatinpaper and Turbo,

He said he wants to BEAT the 710.

Not likely with the two recommended setups.

Although they are good recommendations..

Featherstone · Jan 10, 2007

SUP, i recently built a comp and i plan to sell it to friend. i would like to use that cash to build a comp that will be on par with the latest Dell gaming comp, the 710. the only problem is that i don't know what parts i need to do it because I'm on a budget of 1700$. do i wait till prices fall? any ideas of what i can do?

Thanx

that doesn't mean beat.

eatinpaper · Jan 10, 2007

If he manages to oc his processor and graphics card enough there is a good chance that he could get better performance than the dell. That would mean that he would have to have a godly chip and some amazing airflow in his case though. I would like to retract my suggestion to get a 6300 and instead to get a 6400. It is a much better overclocker (I know this personally being a person who has one overlcocked to 3.33 ghz).

ches111 · Jan 10, 2007

The 710 is using an overclocked Quad Core w/4mb cache @ 3.0 ghz .

It is also using a dual 8800 setup.

That is a lot to get over with $1700.00

Not to mention the dual 10K 160s

Are the 160s in raid 0/1?

Also, in his second post he stated that he wanted to BEAT the 710.

Just a tall order is all.

ches111 · Jan 10, 2007

I think he could do it if a new single GPU was released that could meet/beat a dual setup (like we had with the X1950XTX vs dual 7800s).

ATI/AMD to the rescue?

Nothing like starting a flame war

J/K!!!

turboflame · Jan 10, 2007

Yea, well there's really no way to beat a fully loaded oced quad core 710 with $1700. But both our setups would decimate the entry level 710 that costs $2000 which is doing pretty good.

I tried to make a system that would give comparable performance for cheaper, such as using a 8800GTS that only costs $400 that on current games would only give maybe 10-15% less performance than SLIed 8800GTXs that would cost $700 more.

Or he could just wait for R600 which will (hopefully) kick ass 8)

I want to Challenge DELL!

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