x1950 xt or 8800GTS?

they are probably about the same.

though i would imagine the 88gts uses a little more.

lol, the difference of power consumption in either of those cards shouldn't be significant enough for you to care at this point. These are highend cards which require alot of power. It is very ironic that you are trying to make an energy efficient computer with this cards.
i highly suggest you dont get either of these cards if the power consumtion concerns you.

meh, I know that you are a smart person and trust your judgement, but seriously. Get two x1950xt's in crossfire for the same price as the gts and that will smoke the gts hands down. Then only problem is the dx9 capability, so my advice is to wait for the second revision of the gts to come out at only $300 and then decide
http://www.techpowerup.com/?23435

what?

i think the op is palnning on buying just one of the cards
and is dieciding which one to get.

2 1950,s wont smoke an 88gts.

ha, I guess I wasnt clear. my computer will run nearly 24/7 with like BF 2142 and games of that caliber. so especially if the ati card is more power hungry I would get the GTS cuz it is like 100 more but in the computers life span I would use way more then 100 less. got it? do you have any idea when the second revision of the GTS is coming out because I need the computer pretty quick?

meh, I know that you are a smart person and trust your judgement, but seriously. Get two x1950xt's in crossfire for the same price as the gts and that will smoke the gts hands down. Then only problem is the dx9 capability, so my advice is to wait for the second revision of the gts to come out at only $300 and then decide
http://www.techpowerup.com/?23435

You are out of your freaking mind! I challenge you to show me how two X1950XT's in crossfire comes out to be the same price as one 8800GTS :roll: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Also do you realize that the 8800GTS are performing on the same level as the GTX's once overclocked to GTX speeds?! And btw they have all been overclocking fairly easily to GTX speeds so its not really a concern as to rather or not you will reach that speed.

A single 8800GTS in that case would perform better than Xfired X1950XT's as a single GTX has already been shown to beat the Xfired setup.


You would have to be an idiot to choose 2 x1950xt's over a single 8800GTS which has DX10 support plus outperforms the higher power consuming Xfired setup. :roll:

meh, I know that you are a smart person and trust your judgement, but seriously. Get two x1950xt's in crossfire for the same price as the gts and that will smoke the gts hands down. Then only problem is the dx9 capability, so my advice is to wait for the second revision of the gts to come out at only $300 and then decide
http://www.techpowerup.com/?23435

You are out of your freaking mind! show me how two X1950XT's in crossfire comes out to be the same price as one 8800GTS :roll:

Also do you realize that the 8800GTS are performing on the same level as the GTX's once overclocked to GTX speeds?! And btw they have all been overclocking fairly easily to GTX speeds so its not really a concern as to rather or not you will reach that speed.

A single 8800GTS in that case would perform better than Xfired X1950XT's as a single GTX has already been shown to beat the Xfired setup.


You would have to be an idiot to choose 2 x1950xt's over a single 8800GTS which has DX10 support plus outperforms the higher power consuming Xfired setup. :roll:

lol. yeah isnt an x1950 about the same price as a 8800gts.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
two of these

Dont listen to Taco kid. He is only 14yrs old and is an obvious ATI fanboy.

Uhh ok? now how in the hell are two of those cheaper than one $399 8800gtx again? :roll:

After rebates yours comes to $420

After rebates the 8800GTS comes to $369


Last time I checked $420>$369

meh, I know that you are a smart person and trust your judgement, but seriously. Get two x1950xt's in crossfire for the same price as the gts and that will smoke the gts hands down. Then only problem is the dx9 capability, so my advice is to wait for the second revision of the gts to come out at only $300 and then decide
http://www.techpowerup.com/?23435

You are out of your freaking mind! show me how two X1950XT's in crossfire comes out to be the same price as one 8800GTS :roll:

Also do you realize that the 8800GTS are performing on the same level as the GTX's once overclocked to GTX speeds?! And btw they have all been overclocking fairly easily to GTX speeds so its not really a concern as to rather or not you will reach that speed.

A single 8800GTS in that case would perform better than Xfired X1950XT's as a single GTX has already been shown to beat the Xfired setup.


You would have to be an idiot to choose 2 x1950xt's over a single 8800GTS which has DX10 support plus outperforms the higher power consuming Xfired setup. :roll:

lol. yeah isnt an x1950 about the same price as a 8800gts.

Ignore the kid, he is stooping to an all new low and has to be the biggest ATI fanboy ever. He was also a major supporter and believer of that fake R600 article from level1505 :roll:

Also I forgot to add that those are not even the 512mb X1950xt's and they still cost more. LMAO.

Taco I hate to have to burn you yet again but when you say such foolish things its kinda hard not too.

I still love you though. :wink:

i remember that level1505 thing.

that was where they had an r600 but they didnt  

yeah his post usually seem pretty good and informative.
but when he posted to me,

well it had me thinking maybee he has been huffin gas or whatever
teenagers do nowa-days  

but when he posted to me,

well it had me thinking maybee he has been huffin gas or whatever
teenagers do nowa-days  

LOL  

i just dont understand how he figures that the 2 ati cards are cheaper and faster than the g80 card.

i know he is young but always thought he was fairly smart.

maybe he has sniffed some compressed air 8O heard that was big with
the teenagers for a cheap high.

Tell me about it :roll: He seems like a pretty smart kid and all but he is way way to ATI biased.



Uhh ok? now how in the hell are two of those cheaper than one $399 8800gtx again? :roll:

After rebates yours comes to $420

After rebates the 8800GTS comes to $369


Last time I checked $420>$369


I mean hell I love ATI and everything as my last few cards before my 8800GTX were X1900XT, X850XT, and a 9800PRO.

But right now ATI clearly doesnt have anything even remotely close to the G80, Nvidia finally got the image quality issue fixed and is actually better than ATI's at the moment not to mention the performance.


Now when the R600 comes out the tables may turn but as for now Nvidia has the performance and image quality crown.

lol. This tickles my belly. These cards while crossfired put them close to the gtx price range. And any person here knows that the xt's dont even compare. Also, when going the crossfire route theres the possibility of having to upgrade the power supply to handle the 2 cards that aren't even as fast. So lets say "for the sake of the story" $200 on top of the $500 plus for the 2 cards. That just doesnt sound like good advice to me. Anyway, i was just bored.

hmm, is the power consumtion really an issue for you? or is it because you are going to be running your system 24/7, and that is why you want the most power efficient comp?

He can look at it like this. The gts is much more power efficent for the performance delivered.

Why are you replying to me?

I think Taco must have tucked his tail between his legs and ran.  

i like both ati and nvidia.

i will probably get that new 88gts that is coming out soon for 300$

i am currently using a 68gt was using 2 for sli.
but built another s939 computer as i had a s939 mobo sitting around
and wanted to go to x2 so i put my old 3700 and my other 68gt
in the new computer.

and the x24400 that i upgraded to is workin fine.
just ran an overnight prime95 test with it oc,ed to 2.6
and it passed and the temp was at 38c woohoo  

Uhh ok? now how in the hell are two of those cheaper than one $399 8800gtx again? :roll:

After rebates yours comes to $420

After rebates the 8800GTS comes to $369


Last time I checked $420>$369
Didn't know the gts had a rebate on it, thought it was 420 to 400, and something tells me 2 beats one in most cases, the gts is a far better stand alone card, but I think when crossfiring the cards, the x1950xt can beat the gts for dx9 high resolution games, as that is where crossfire really enjoys the spotlight when compared to sli of any older nvidia card

That's what I'm saying the good deal is, the gts for only #300

Dont listen to Taco kid. He is only 14yrs old and is an obvious ATI fanboy.
Not a fanboy for ati, just saying that until the gts drops to $300, I believe crossfired x1950xt's are a nice match, as the crossfire x1950xtx is pretty close to the gtx's performance, and has surpassed it in very few (please don't flame) of the benchmarks, but they beat the gts, and the x1950xt has proven to be just slightly worse than the xtx version

Even without the rebate its still cheaper.





Uhh no, that is not always the case and its certainly not the case when comparing the prev gen sli'd or xfired cards agains the GTS or the GTX.

There are Plenty of single card solutions out there that completely own dual setups of older modeled GPU's. For example a single X1900xt vs sli'd 7600gt's.



Wrong again. Like I told you before GTS's are clocking up to GTX speeds pretty easily and the benchmarks show the 2 are neck and neck in DX9 games when running the same speeds. An Xfired X1950 setup cannot compete with the G80 as the benchies have shown.

My mistake, just thought that the x1950xt in crossfire would be nice match up, because the x1950xt got the best buy for 250 and less, and that the gts didn't perform as good as the gtx because of the smaller bit pathways and pipelines.

And as I had said, when the gts drops down to $300, that will be the card to get, I doubt any mainstream gfx card that supports dx10 will be able to compete with that price and the performance the gts has.

Just one thought, is there really that much of a difference between 420 and 400?

You say your not an ati fanboy yet you are the only person I know crazy enough to pick 2 x1950xt's over a cheaper alternative that not only has DX10 support but also outperforms xfired x1950xt's in almost every case.

I love the way you keep ignoring what I have told you about the GTS's running like the GTX when overclocked. :roll:

WTF? I think you mean $420 and $369   Yes thats a pretty good difference the last time I checked. Like I said, you would have to be a true ATI fanboy to go the xfired rout from scratch vs getting the GTS.

Heck you can take that $50 you saved and by yourself a new game or something.

Read my last post, completely agrees with what you had said, and I am wondering if you are willing to teach me a bit, as I would like to learn more about computers and you seem to know a lot, so just kinda wondering, otherwise I will probably turn into this

http://youtube.com/watch?v=m_VF7qOCfOk
and that will be very bad for my college credentials   If I become that stupid

I am trying my best to get you to understand why picking (any and all biases aside) xfired x1950xt's over a single 8800gts is a bad idea but you dont seem to be getting it.

no, I do understand, and I think I will get a gts once the price drops to $300, as I was planning on getting the x1950xt, but after discussing this, it is clear the gts is the better card

Really man, im not trying to be a prick too you but sometimes your just kinda thick headed and hard to get through to  

I mean just think about it:

8800GTS= same performance in DX9 games of the GTX once overclocked to GTX speeds, this in turn will put its performance ahead of xfired x1950xt's. However this may no longer be the case once DX10 games roll out and start to make use of the extra shaders the GTX has over the GTS. Plus the 8800gts wouldnt consume as much power as the xfired x1950xt's.

With DX10 games and Vista around the corner it just doesnt make sense to go out and buy 2 x1950xt's over a cheaper better performing alternative such as the 8800gts.


Keep in mind 2 that the x1950xt's that you linked are also only the 256mb ones and its still more expensive!

The only reason why I suggested the xfired xt's was because toms did a review on the best gfx cards on the market and said the xt was just as good as the xtx in most cases, and that I have seen the xtx crossfire surpass the gtx a couple of times. I will give you that I am kinda thick headed soemtimes   , working on that.

For instance, in this review, it shows the r600 kicks the gtx's a$$ in many tests (probably a fake though) but it does show the crossfire xtx very close to the gtx and surpassing it a couple of times.
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-1148-view-r600-vs-880...

Taco why in gods name do you keep referencing to that already proven to be FAKE review!!! this is the kinda sh1t that gets you into to trouble and dont tell me you didnt know it was fake as I have seen a few people getting on to you about it more than once!

None of those numbers for any of those cards in that review are anywhere to even being remotely correct!

I mentioned its probably fake, and I can't really find another review that's valid that compares the xtx to the gtx. I'm not pushing my point, only saying what my reasons were

That might be the case but it is still a poor choice over a single 8800GTS and I have already established that point and helped you to understand so lets move past that now please.

And as for benchmark information I would recommend just about any other site out there over tomshardware, seriously :roll:

Ok, kinda thought that since everyone here knows what they're doing, the site itself would....

LOL! Well I am going with the GTS but does anyone know when the new revision for 300 comes out? I would like to wait but I cant wait long.

I am an ati fan, BUT I am not realy an ati fan, they were just better tech till now, same with amd ALL of my computers were amd, but now getting core 2 duo cuz they pown the shit outa amd.

Dont get me wrong, there are lots of knowledgeable people on the forums. Its just that lately the reviews on tomshardware have been a joke in general.

Who writes the toms reviews anyway (user names if you know them)?

And the $300 gts should come out around February, but as you know, many of the sites I seem to run into are fake, so that might not be true for a while.

I dont know and dont want to know either  


Also Taco remember that Nvidia has a good ways to go on the drivers for the G80 so we have not even begun to see what this card is capable of.

I think that the gts will be a good buy regardless if they bring the price down to $300 (but it will have half the memory), because even if the r600 benchmarks turn out to be true and crush the gtx, the r600 won't be able to touch a $300 dx10 card

Well the thing is Taco the one that you referenced will not turn out to be true as its a 100% proven fake. The numbers are off for all of those cards.

Until the first true article shows up it will be impossible to say how much better if any at all the R600 will be.

I nkow its proven fake, what I am saying is that if the r600 does creme the gtx by a margin as the fake reviews suggest, then gts will still be a great buy because the small $300 price tag for a very powerful gfx card, adn that's something neither the r600 will be able to touch because of its supposed $600 price tag, though we will have to wait and see as this is the way amd and ati just want to piss us off or are hiding a major failure

The way I see it is the G80 caught ATI with their pants down because no one expected the G80 to be of 100 percent unified shader architecture. Early rumors were suggesting some sort of hybrid card from nvidia and I guess ATI clearly thought they had the battle won and then WHAM! the G80 comes out with 128 unified shaders.  

yeah, current information says that nvidia has many more unified pixel shaders, but they already have one dx10 card in the 360, who knows what they have in store, as I said, we will need to wait.

cleeve. for gpu,s

if you have questions pm him.