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Comparable graphics card to ATI AIW 9800 PRO 128MB AGP 8x

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January 16, 2007 1:31:35 PM

Good morning. I currently have a Socket A mainboard and an ATI All-In-Wonder 9800 Pro AGP 8x graphics card. Since I am due for an upgrade and don't feel like waiting that long for DX10, I need to determine what card would be comparable to my 9800 pro. I've looked into the ATI X1650 and the GeForce 7600 and 7900GS/GT series. I need specifics, as this will be my "in-between" graphics card which should be able to last at least through the end of 2007 before i save up for an 8800 or newer card with DX10 support. I figure I can stay around $200 for a decent card. I have found no useful benchmarks that compare a 9800 pro agp and a pci-e card. Any input? Thanks in advance.

I checked out the article titled "AGP Platform Analysis, Part 1: New Cards, Old System" but still would like to know how different the 9700 pro referenced in the article is to my 9800 pro. It seems the 7300gs would be a similarly performing card for pci-e.


-- MaSoP

Note: If I get a replacment card, it will be going in an Asus M2N-E (AM2)mainboard. I am looking at 256-bit or higher for a memory interface and a minimum of 256mb ddr3 memory as a basis from what I've researched.
January 16, 2007 2:09:05 PM

I'm not positive, but the X800 GTO might be close to the 9800. I had an X600 which was supposed to be about the same as a 9600XT and the X800 GTO is way faster than the X600 was.
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January 16, 2007 2:32:23 PM

I believe (but correct me if I'm wrong) a 9800pro is closer to a plan ati 1600 series in gaming speed. Also a x800gto should be faster that a 9800pro.
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January 16, 2007 2:38:22 PM

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I believe (but correct me if I'm wrong) a 9800pro is closer to a plan ati 1600 series in gaming speed. Also a x800gto should be faster that a 9800pro.


There you go.

I'm using a Sapphire X800 GTO with 256 MB DDR3. It's PCI-e and cost me $114 CDN three months ago. I think that I got a good deal.
January 16, 2007 2:52:30 PM

An X800GTO eats a 9800pro. A vanilla geforce 6600 would be comparable to the 9800pro.
January 16, 2007 2:56:08 PM

Check out the chip comparison at:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/131

The AIW version of it is usually compatibly 'weak' to the other versions. If you must upgrade, the x850 or x800 provide the next generation of chips, but roughly the same thruput (256 bit interface, same pixel pipes etc). I moved from the 9800 to the x800 when I switched platforms and saw a noticeable improvement. The x800 caused no end of problems however at after much grief, changing everything else out I found that my random powering off issues were caused by the card. A friend at work has the same problem with his x850.

I believe there is a post on how the 1950 was just released on agp platform
January 16, 2007 3:07:08 PM

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An X800GTO eats a 9800pro. A vanilla geforce
6600 would be comparable to the 9800pro.


I'm weighing the option of going ATI or NVidia. So then a GeForce 7300GS would be a decent card if I went NVidia? I want something a bit newer than the 6000 series. I noticed the 7300GS model is under $100 currently. I'll check the specs. Thanks!

UPDATE: I noticed the 6600GT, 7300GS and 7600GS have a weak 64-bit and 128-bit memory interface. That removes them as options.
January 16, 2007 3:25:13 PM

Quote:
Check out the chip comparison at:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/131

The AIW version of it is usually compatibly 'weak' to the other versions. If you must upgrade, the x850 or x800 provide the next generation of chips, but roughly the same thruput (256 bit interface, same pixel pipes etc). I moved from the 9800 to the x800 when I switched platforms and saw a noticeable improvement. The x800 caused no end of problems however at after much grief, changing everything else out I found that my random powering off issues were caused by the card. A friend at work has the same problem with his x850.

I believe there is a post on how the 1950 was just released on agp platform


Thanks for the link. It's nice to know that my GTO doesn't suck. I'm not a gamer so I don't need a great card but I don't want an X300 SE either.

That's too bad that your X800 gave you problems. I have had no such bad luck. I am using a Fortron 450W power supply to feed my overclocked C2D, three SATA drives, two optical drives, a TV tuner and the GTO. No problems with power whatsoever.
January 16, 2007 4:05:15 PM

From a price performance these two cards will be hard to beat. They meet your ram and memory bandwidth criteria and are WAY faster than the 9800. They are both under $200 (one by rebate). Both of these will last you through this year no problem. Good luck.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...


PS Here is a link to some older benches in 3dmark2005. The newer cards are not included but you can find those benches easy enough.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/05/vga_charts_vii/p...

funny how slow that 9800 looks in some of these older benches. :) 
January 16, 2007 4:17:59 PM

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An X800GTO eats a 9800pro. A vanilla geforce 6600 would be comparable to the 9800pro.


How about one of these? Each of them falls around the $200 range...

Asus EAX1950PRO/HTDP/256M Radeon X1950 PRO 256MB PCI-Express Video Card w/Dual-DVI & HDTV-Out Retail ($189.99)

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Asus EN7900GS/2DHT/256M GeForce 7900 GS PCI Express 256MB DDR3 Video Card w/Dual-DVI & HDTV-Out Retail ($209.99)

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
January 16, 2007 4:20:25 PM

In today's world, the 9800 Pro IS slow. I know, as I have two of them. Get a 7600GT (NOT GS!) or better, or an ATI X1950 Pro or better. Saw this X1950XT at Newegg for $220 after rebate. (not that I'm a fan of SAPPHIRE) The other idea is that if you want to wait for DX10, get a board with integrated graphics. My thinking is that those graphics should be able to keep up with the 9800Pro. example: G965 parts

I don't understand why you'd want to buy a card that performs like the 9800Pro. Maybe you're thinking that the 9800Pro does everything you need and you're looking to get a equivalent card. But the way I see it, that's like going and buying a new car and having the drivetrain and interior swaped out with your old car. Your 9800Pro was a full featured mainstream card of its day. The 7600GT or X1950Pro fits that bill today. I HATE "crippled" cards. I've seen/heard too many complaints over the years.

BTW the 9800Pro was the first (if I'm recalling correctly) AIW card that was not underclocked or had reduced RAM in comparison to their non-AIW cards

Also, if I remember it right, the 9800Pro performs better than the X700 cards.
January 16, 2007 4:26:26 PM

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UPDATE: I noticed the 6600GT, 7300GS and 7600GS have a weak 64-bit and 128-bit memory interface. That removes them as options.


Why?

Look at real world performance to see what your options are. Looking a few specs tells you nothing.


I would go for the 7600GS if I were you. Good performance Good price. Kills the x1600pro and is about the same price.

here is one for $115 after shipping and Mail in rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
January 16, 2007 5:23:11 PM

Quote:

UPDATE: I noticed the 6600GT, 7300GS and 7600GS have a weak 64-bit and 128-bit memory interface. That removes them as options.


Why?

Look at real world performance to see what your options are. Looking a few specs tells you nothing.


I would go for the 7600GS if I were you. Good performance Good price. Kills the x1600pro and is about the same price.

here is one for $115 after shipping and Mail in rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

I need a pci-express card, not agp. My existing socket a board is an asus a7n8x-e deluxe and my card is agp 8x. If I get a new motherboard (asus m2n-e), I'll have to get a pci-express card. Since I don't want to drop $500 on a 8800 right now, I'll probably do that in about a year or so. That is why I'm looking at a graphics card that is at least equivilant to or above the 9800 pro agp, for under $200. The benchmarks I've compared between different sites including the vga charts here, indicate the 7600gs has less power than my 9800 pro has, overall memory bandwidth and other things.
January 16, 2007 5:29:24 PM

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In today's world, the 9800 Pro IS slow. I know, as I have two of them. Get a 7600GT (NOT GS!) or better, or an ATI X1950 Pro or better. Saw this X1950XT at Newegg for $220 after rebate. (not that I'm a fan of SAPPHIRE) The other idea is that if you want to wait for DX10, get a board with integrated graphics. My thinking is that those graphics should be able to keep up with the 9800Pro. example: G965 parts

I don't understand why you'd want to buy a card that performs like the 9800Pro. Maybe you're thinking that the 9800Pro does everything you need and you're looking to get a equivalent card. But the way I see it, that's like going and buying a new car and having the drivetrain and interior swaped out with your old car. Your 9800Pro was a full featured mainstream card of its day. The 7600GT or X1950Pro fits that bill today. I HATE "crippled" cards. I've seen/heard too many complaints over the years.

BTW the 9800Pro was the first (if I'm recalling correctly) AIW card that was not underclocked or had reduced RAM in comparison to their non-AIW cards

Also, if I remember it right, the 9800Pro performs better than the X700 cards.


My card handles all of the games I play just fine. The one partial exception would be Oblivion, where I have to use medium settings at best in order to keep it playable for the most part with no stutter except in a few areas of the game. The one below is one of two cards I am looking at...

Asus EAX1950PRO/HTDP/256M Radeon X1950 PRO 256MB PCI-Express Video Card w/Dual-DVI & HDTV-Out Retail ($189.99)

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

I was hoping to find a card that performs better than my 9800 Pro for about $100, but there is so much crap to filter through and way too many variations of every chipset. It makes it hard to find what I am looking for.
January 16, 2007 5:40:23 PM

Ahh, sorry I misread your post

This video card will demolish the 9800 pro and is $165
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

This one is slightly better and is $170 after mail in rebate... but you have to deal with mail in rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

hope this helps. Sorry about misreading.

Edit: I think the 7600GT Will perform close to your 9800 Pro, but a little better.

Here it is for $110 after Mail in rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
January 16, 2007 6:20:44 PM

Honestly, a 7600GT would solve you problem nicely regardless of the 128-Bit memory interface. It's uber-fast memory makes up for the memory interface deficit. Here's an eVga for $110 after MIR.

The X1650XT is slightly more expensive but also performs a bit better than the 7600GT, especially in Oblivion. Here's a H.I.S. card for $130 after MIR. Again it's only a 128-bit interface, but it too has high memory clocks.

When considering a price to performance aspect of these cards, they perform neck and neck and are nearly twice the card of your 9800Pro AIW. The 7600GT is close to $100 after the rebate and it will perform better than the 9800Pro AIW.

If you want 256-Bit cards, then you have to pay for them. You might be able to find a 256-Bit X800 class card, but it will cost either more or the same as the two cards noted above and perform equal or less. It's been shown and debated to death that the 7600GT can hold it's own against the X850XT in a lot of games. The X850XT was the top of the line card of the X8## class cards. Find a used X850XT or pay more for either the X1950Pro or X1900GT.
January 19, 2007 1:59:33 PM

A 7600GT is leaps and bounds ahead of the 9800pro. The 7600GT performs on par with a 6800Ultra. There isn't even a comparison.

at OP: For new AGP cards, the 7600GT ($190) or X1950pro ($260) are what it comes down to in your case. Otherwise a used X8xx series or 6800GT would fit the bill. For Oblivion performance, it's ATI.
January 20, 2007 8:22:14 PM

My offering would be this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

It's already overclocked higher than just about any other card in its class, has great stock cooling with a super-quiet fan and heat sink pipes, is Crossfire capable -- which might influence your MB selection, and is within your budget constraint. Here's the testing and review of the suspect chipsets discussed here, and above:

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2858&p=13
January 20, 2007 8:58:07 PM

He's on a socket A AGP platform.
January 20, 2007 10:08:37 PM

Read about 7 posts up; he's looking to upgrade to pci-x16
January 21, 2007 12:33:07 AM

Hey Rushfan, dig the avatar. Best band ever.

To the OP: sorry for going off topic.
January 22, 2007 1:07:35 PM

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Hey Rushfan, dig the avatar. Best band ever.

To the OP: sorry for going off topic.


Thanks! You have impeccable taste!

I sent you a PM though I'm not sure that it went through.

What were we talking about again? :D 
January 22, 2007 5:15:29 PM

Oops, my mistake.
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