Family Plan - Different Area Codes
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Anonymous
December 10, 2004 12:20:25 AM
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Can you get a family plan with the second line in a different area
code/state?
Can you get a family plan with the second line in a different area
code/state?
More about : family plan area codes
fester
December 10, 2004 2:48:38 AM
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depends on where you are I know of a guy that has one in Las Vegas and one
in LA and a Number in SanJose
"Wait" <waitfordialtone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FG9ud.135$2r.25@fed1read02...
> Can you get a family plan with the second line in a different area
> code/state?
>
>
depends on where you are I know of a guy that has one in Las Vegas and one
in LA and a Number in SanJose
"Wait" <waitfordialtone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FG9ud.135$2r.25@fed1read02...
> Can you get a family plan with the second line in a different area
> code/state?
>
>
dick
December 12, 2004 6:18:31 AM
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I was told that my daughter could not use a phone with a Texas number on my
Seattle Family Plan because all the phones need to be on the same account,
and a Seattle account would not cover a Texas phone.
"Fester" <raven_wood@homeDOT.com> wrote in message
news:Hu-dnQsmRthFySTcRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
> depends on where you are I know of a guy that has one in Las Vegas and one
> in LA and a Number in SanJose
> "Wait" <waitfordialtone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:FG9ud.135$2r.25@fed1read02...
>> Can you get a family plan with the second line in a different area
>> code/state?
>>
>>
>
>
I was told that my daughter could not use a phone with a Texas number on my
Seattle Family Plan because all the phones need to be on the same account,
and a Seattle account would not cover a Texas phone.
"Fester" <raven_wood@homeDOT.com> wrote in message
news:Hu-dnQsmRthFySTcRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
> depends on where you are I know of a guy that has one in Las Vegas and one
> in LA and a Number in SanJose
> "Wait" <waitfordialtone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:FG9ud.135$2r.25@fed1read02...
>> Can you get a family plan with the second line in a different area
>> code/state?
>>
>>
>
>
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Jer
December 16, 2004 9:50:55 PM
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Ron wrote:
> The told me that if I get another phone on my plan, making it a family
> plan, there would be no additional charges (beyond the phone handset and
> the $9.95 per month for service...it shares my minutes.)
>
> The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
> plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the other
> coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to mobile.
> So what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of the phone
> doesn't matter anymore!! Free nights and weekends require it to be
> night or weekend in the time zone of all phones, but free mobile to
> mobile works 24/7 to/from any Cingular or AT&T phone, even if the other
> person DOES NOT have free mobile to mobile.
>
> It's a good deal, to me!
>
Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
transporting calls. Once the carrier sees their own internal bills for
transport services, the marketing department will know how far they can
go with various plan options that show up in media advertising.
If a carrier requires family plan members to be locals, that plan all
but eliminates LD transport costs. OTOH, if family plan members can be
scattered all across the country, then those long distance calls are
costing somebody something. One way or another, those costs are going
to show up in someone's bill - there just ain't no getting around it.
HTH
--
jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'
Ron wrote:
> The told me that if I get another phone on my plan, making it a family
> plan, there would be no additional charges (beyond the phone handset and
> the $9.95 per month for service...it shares my minutes.)
>
> The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
> plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the other
> coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to mobile.
> So what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of the phone
> doesn't matter anymore!! Free nights and weekends require it to be
> night or weekend in the time zone of all phones, but free mobile to
> mobile works 24/7 to/from any Cingular or AT&T phone, even if the other
> person DOES NOT have free mobile to mobile.
>
> It's a good deal, to me!
>
Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
transporting calls. Once the carrier sees their own internal bills for
transport services, the marketing department will know how far they can
go with various plan options that show up in media advertising.
If a carrier requires family plan members to be locals, that plan all
but eliminates LD transport costs. OTOH, if family plan members can be
scattered all across the country, then those long distance calls are
costing somebody something. One way or another, those costs are going
to show up in someone's bill - there just ain't no getting around it.
HTH
--
jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'
Anonymous
December 16, 2004 11:02:42 PM
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> The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
> plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the other
> coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to mobile. So
> what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of the phone
> doesn't matter anymore!!
----------------------------------------------------------
EXCEPT...everyone calling him from a non nationwide cell phone or land line
incurs a LD charge when calling him from his area. World is getting
smaller, but not that small YET.
DS
> The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
> plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the other
> coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to mobile. So
> what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of the phone
> doesn't matter anymore!!
----------------------------------------------------------
EXCEPT...everyone calling him from a non nationwide cell phone or land line
incurs a LD charge when calling him from his area. World is getting
smaller, but not that small YET.
DS
Anonymous
December 17, 2004 4:36:55 AM
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[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
In <cptaef$r52@library1.airnews.net> on Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:50:55 -0600, Jer
<gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
>Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
>matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
>long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
>separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
>carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
>ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
>call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
>services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
>to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
>transporting calls. ...
True, but that kind of bulk wholesale backhaul is dirt cheap, a fraction of a
cent per minute. Much like the distance-insensitivity of the Internet, the
vast majority of long distance cellular costs are local, not long distance.
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
In <cptaef$r52@library1.airnews.net> on Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:50:55 -0600, Jer
<gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
>Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
>matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
>long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
>separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
>carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
>ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
>call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
>services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
>to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
>transporting calls. ...
True, but that kind of bulk wholesale backhaul is dirt cheap, a fraction of a
cent per minute. Much like the distance-insensitivity of the Internet, the
vast majority of long distance cellular costs are local, not long distance.
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
Jer
December 17, 2004 11:14:21 AM
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John Navas wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <cptaef$r52@library1.airnews.net> on Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:50:55 -0600, Jer
> <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
>
>
>>Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
>>matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
>>long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
>>separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
>>carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
>>ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
>>call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
>>services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
>>to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
>>transporting calls. ...
>
>
> True, but that kind of bulk wholesale backhaul is dirt cheap, a fraction of a
> cent per minute.
Of course, nobody here has a clue as to the financial details of what
any wireless carrier actually pays for backhaul voice trunk facilities,
but to think it doesn't contribute to the costs passed along to
customers would be an inacurate characterization.
> Much like the distance-insensitivity of the Internet, the
> vast majority of long distance cellular costs are local, not long distance.
The prior statement seems confusing... but, I don't think a valid
comparison can be drawn between non-trunked internet facilities and
trunked voice facilities used by wireless carriers. I am aware that the
telco billing rates are significantly different between the two, as well
as taxes on those rates - for both intra-lata and inter-lata transports.
It may also help to understand a wireless carrier is purchasing vast
amounts more bandwidth than any internet provider, although I presume
that whatever the transport agreement is it's provided under a long-term
contract.
--
jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'
John Navas wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <cptaef$r52@library1.airnews.net> on Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:50:55 -0600, Jer
> <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
>
>
>>Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
>>matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
>>long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
>>separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
>>carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
>>ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
>>call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
>>services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
>>to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
>>transporting calls. ...
>
>
> True, but that kind of bulk wholesale backhaul is dirt cheap, a fraction of a
> cent per minute.
Of course, nobody here has a clue as to the financial details of what
any wireless carrier actually pays for backhaul voice trunk facilities,
but to think it doesn't contribute to the costs passed along to
customers would be an inacurate characterization.
> Much like the distance-insensitivity of the Internet, the
> vast majority of long distance cellular costs are local, not long distance.
The prior statement seems confusing... but, I don't think a valid
comparison can be drawn between non-trunked internet facilities and
trunked voice facilities used by wireless carriers. I am aware that the
telco billing rates are significantly different between the two, as well
as taxes on those rates - for both intra-lata and inter-lata transports.
It may also help to understand a wireless carrier is purchasing vast
amounts more bandwidth than any internet provider, although I presume
that whatever the transport agreement is it's provided under a long-term
contract.
--
jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'
Ron
December 17, 2004 10:03:59 PM
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Are there still any cell plans that charge extra for Long Distance?
As for wireline people, I don't think they charge wireline calls to
cell, no matter where the cell area code is, or where the cell is, for
that matter. Does anybody actually make calls from their wireline
phones anymore??
In an area where lots of people move here, many have area codes from
"back home" and nobody cares. It doesn't cost any different to deal
with my friends with "foreign" (out of state) phone area codes.
Besides, where can you get any cell plan for $9 a month that includes
free nights, weekends, and mobile to mobile before you use ANY of the
family minutes. Adding a phone on Family Plan is worth it just for the
mobile-to-mobile with that distant family member!! I bet you're
spending more than $9 a month without it for JUST THOSE calls!!
As to the fact that a cellular carrier might spend more to transport the
calls if one of the family phones is (always) out of town is THEIR
problem, not mine. They shouldn't have offered (FREE) nationwide
mobile-to-mobile if they didn't want me to use it!
Anyhow it works for me!!
Peace,
Ron!
Jer wrote:
> Ron wrote:
>
>> The told me that if I get another phone on my plan, making it a family
>> plan, there would be no additional charges (beyond the phone handset
>> and the $9.95 per month for service...it shares my minutes.)
>>
>> The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
>> plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the
>> other coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to
>> mobile. So what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of
>> the phone doesn't matter anymore!! Free nights and weekends require
>> it to be night or weekend in the time zone of all phones, but free
>> mobile to mobile works 24/7 to/from any Cingular or AT&T phone, even
>> if the other person DOES NOT have free mobile to mobile.
>>
>> It's a good deal, to me!
>>
>
>
> Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
> matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
> long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
> separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
> carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
> ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
> call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
> services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
> to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
> transporting calls. Once the carrier sees their own internal bills for
> transport services, the marketing department will know how far they can
> go with various plan options that show up in media advertising.
>
> If a carrier requires family plan members to be locals, that plan all
> but eliminates LD transport costs. OTOH, if family plan members can be
> scattered all across the country, then those long distance calls are
> costing somebody something. One way or another, those costs are going
> to show up in someone's bill - there just ain't no getting around it.
>
> HTH
>
Are there still any cell plans that charge extra for Long Distance?
As for wireline people, I don't think they charge wireline calls to
cell, no matter where the cell area code is, or where the cell is, for
that matter. Does anybody actually make calls from their wireline
phones anymore??
In an area where lots of people move here, many have area codes from
"back home" and nobody cares. It doesn't cost any different to deal
with my friends with "foreign" (out of state) phone area codes.
Besides, where can you get any cell plan for $9 a month that includes
free nights, weekends, and mobile to mobile before you use ANY of the
family minutes. Adding a phone on Family Plan is worth it just for the
mobile-to-mobile with that distant family member!! I bet you're
spending more than $9 a month without it for JUST THOSE calls!!
As to the fact that a cellular carrier might spend more to transport the
calls if one of the family phones is (always) out of town is THEIR
problem, not mine. They shouldn't have offered (FREE) nationwide
mobile-to-mobile if they didn't want me to use it!
Anyhow it works for me!!
Peace,
Ron!
Jer wrote:
> Ron wrote:
>
>> The told me that if I get another phone on my plan, making it a family
>> plan, there would be no additional charges (beyond the phone handset
>> and the $9.95 per month for service...it shares my minutes.)
>>
>> The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
>> plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the
>> other coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to
>> mobile. So what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of
>> the phone doesn't matter anymore!! Free nights and weekends require
>> it to be night or weekend in the time zone of all phones, but free
>> mobile to mobile works 24/7 to/from any Cingular or AT&T phone, even
>> if the other person DOES NOT have free mobile to mobile.
>>
>> It's a good deal, to me!
>>
>
>
> Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
> matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
> long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
> separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
> carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
> ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
> call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
> services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
> to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
> transporting calls. Once the carrier sees their own internal bills for
> transport services, the marketing department will know how far they can
> go with various plan options that show up in media advertising.
>
> If a carrier requires family plan members to be locals, that plan all
> but eliminates LD transport costs. OTOH, if family plan members can be
> scattered all across the country, then those long distance calls are
> costing somebody something. One way or another, those costs are going
> to show up in someone's bill - there just ain't no getting around it.
>
> HTH
>
Jer
December 17, 2004 10:04:00 PM
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Ron wrote:
> Are there still any cell plans that charge extra for Long Distance?
Of course there are, we just don't hear much about them because those
plans aren't the focus of current media marketing.
>
> As for wireline people, I don't think they charge wireline calls to
> cell, no matter where the cell area code is, or where the cell is, for
> that matter. Does anybody actually make calls from their wireline
> phones anymore??
'skuze me? Where'd you get the idea that wireline carriers don't charge
for calling cell phones? If the call is long distance, a long distance
bill will follow - assuming the call was outside your current service
contract allowances.
And yes, I make most of my calls from a landline. My cell is only for
times when I'm away. In fact, my cell number isn't even known by most
people because I prefer they use only one number to contact me. When
I'm away, the landline calls forward to my cell.
>
> In an area where lots of people move here, many have area codes from
> "back home" and nobody cares. It doesn't cost any different to deal
> with my friends with "foreign" (out of state) phone area codes.
Someone ported outside their local area? How is this possible?
>
> Besides, where can you get any cell plan for $9 a month that includes
> free nights, weekends, and mobile to mobile before you use ANY of the
> family minutes. Adding a phone on Family Plan is worth it just for the
> mobile-to-mobile with that distant family member!! I bet you're
> spending more than $9 a month without it for JUST THOSE calls!!
I wouldn't know, I never see a bill.
>
> As to the fact that a cellular carrier might spend more to transport the
> calls if one of the family phones is (always) out of town is THEIR
> problem, not mine. They shouldn't have offered (FREE) nationwide
> mobile-to-mobile if they didn't want me to use it!
Of course they want you to use it, just don't think your LD use is free
to your carrier. It's not. At one time, wireline carriers were
chastised by regulators for using LD billing to cover part of the local
service costs (among other things), and they responded by lowering LD
prices and raising local prices. The 'poor person' backlash was severe,
but it didn't make any difference - and now you also know where all
those tack on fees come from. There is no free lunch, never has been.
I hope my comments here have begun to relieve some of your cluelessness.
--
jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'
Ron wrote:
> Are there still any cell plans that charge extra for Long Distance?
Of course there are, we just don't hear much about them because those
plans aren't the focus of current media marketing.
>
> As for wireline people, I don't think they charge wireline calls to
> cell, no matter where the cell area code is, or where the cell is, for
> that matter. Does anybody actually make calls from their wireline
> phones anymore??
'skuze me? Where'd you get the idea that wireline carriers don't charge
for calling cell phones? If the call is long distance, a long distance
bill will follow - assuming the call was outside your current service
contract allowances.
And yes, I make most of my calls from a landline. My cell is only for
times when I'm away. In fact, my cell number isn't even known by most
people because I prefer they use only one number to contact me. When
I'm away, the landline calls forward to my cell.
>
> In an area where lots of people move here, many have area codes from
> "back home" and nobody cares. It doesn't cost any different to deal
> with my friends with "foreign" (out of state) phone area codes.
Someone ported outside their local area? How is this possible?
>
> Besides, where can you get any cell plan for $9 a month that includes
> free nights, weekends, and mobile to mobile before you use ANY of the
> family minutes. Adding a phone on Family Plan is worth it just for the
> mobile-to-mobile with that distant family member!! I bet you're
> spending more than $9 a month without it for JUST THOSE calls!!
I wouldn't know, I never see a bill.
>
> As to the fact that a cellular carrier might spend more to transport the
> calls if one of the family phones is (always) out of town is THEIR
> problem, not mine. They shouldn't have offered (FREE) nationwide
> mobile-to-mobile if they didn't want me to use it!
Of course they want you to use it, just don't think your LD use is free
to your carrier. It's not. At one time, wireline carriers were
chastised by regulators for using LD billing to cover part of the local
service costs (among other things), and they responded by lowering LD
prices and raising local prices. The 'poor person' backlash was severe,
but it didn't make any difference - and now you also know where all
those tack on fees come from. There is no free lunch, never has been.
I hope my comments here have begun to relieve some of your cluelessness.
--
jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'
Joseph
December 17, 2004 10:04:00 PM
Archived from groups: alt.cellular.cingular (More info?)
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:03:59 GMT, Ron <rdswart@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>As for wireline people, I don't think they charge wireline calls to
>cell, no matter where the cell area code is, or where the cell is, for
>that matter. Does anybody actually make calls from their wireline
>phones anymore??
Oh yes they do! If the exchange your number is in is not local to
your caller they may pay a toll charge to call you. The whole US is
not one local calling area yet!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:03:59 GMT, Ron <rdswart@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>As for wireline people, I don't think they charge wireline calls to
>cell, no matter where the cell area code is, or where the cell is, for
>that matter. Does anybody actually make calls from their wireline
>phones anymore??
Oh yes they do! If the exchange your number is in is not local to
your caller they may pay a toll charge to call you. The whole US is
not one local calling area yet!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
mark
December 17, 2004 10:41:43 PM
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:03:59 GMT, Ron <rdswart@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>Are there still any cell plans that charge extra for Long Distance?
In a country this size I would bet money that there are some cell
plans somewhere that charge for long distance.
>
>As for wireline people, I don't think they charge wireline calls to
>cell, no matter where the cell area code is, or where the cell is, for
>that matter.
Not true. I actually had to change by cell phone number in the past
year or so because it became long distance from my house (I didn't
move!!!)
>Does anybody actually make calls from their wireline
>phones anymore??
Yes. I do and I'm sure millions of others do also.
>
>In an area where lots of people move here, many have area codes from
>"back home" and nobody cares. It doesn't cost any different to deal
>with my friends with "foreign" (out of state) phone area codes.
As long as you are using a cell phone that doesn't charge for long
distance then of course you are right. However, area codes do mean
something for people useing landline phones
>
>Besides, where can you get any cell plan for $9 a month that includes
>free nights, weekends, and mobile to mobile before you use ANY of the
>family minutes. Adding a phone on Family Plan is worth it just for the
>mobile-to-mobile with that distant family member!! I bet you're
>spending more than $9 a month without it for JUST THOSE calls!!
>
>As to the fact that a cellular carrier might spend more to transport the
>calls if one of the family phones is (always) out of town is THEIR
>problem, not mine. They shouldn't have offered (FREE) nationwide
>mobile-to-mobile if they didn't want me to use it!
You and I as the consumer are ultimately responsible.
>
>Anyhow it works for me!!
>
>Peace,
>Ron!
>
>Jer wrote:
>> Ron wrote:
>>
>>> The told me that if I get another phone on my plan, making it a family
>>> plan, there would be no additional charges (beyond the phone handset
>>> and the $9.95 per month for service...it shares my minutes.)
>>>
>>> The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
>>> plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the
>>> other coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to
>>> mobile. So what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of
>>> the phone doesn't matter anymore!! Free nights and weekends require
>>> it to be night or weekend in the time zone of all phones, but free
>>> mobile to mobile works 24/7 to/from any Cingular or AT&T phone, even
>>> if the other person DOES NOT have free mobile to mobile.
>>>
>>> It's a good deal, to me!
>>>
>>
>>
>> Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
>> matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
>> long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
>> separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
>> carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
>> ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
>> call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
>> services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
>> to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
>> transporting calls. Once the carrier sees their own internal bills for
>> transport services, the marketing department will know how far they can
>> go with various plan options that show up in media advertising.
>>
>> If a carrier requires family plan members to be locals, that plan all
>> but eliminates LD transport costs. OTOH, if family plan members can be
>> scattered all across the country, then those long distance calls are
>> costing somebody something. One way or another, those costs are going
>> to show up in someone's bill - there just ain't no getting around it.
>>
>> HTH
>>
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:03:59 GMT, Ron <rdswart@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>Are there still any cell plans that charge extra for Long Distance?
In a country this size I would bet money that there are some cell
plans somewhere that charge for long distance.
>
>As for wireline people, I don't think they charge wireline calls to
>cell, no matter where the cell area code is, or where the cell is, for
>that matter.
Not true. I actually had to change by cell phone number in the past
year or so because it became long distance from my house (I didn't
move!!!)
>Does anybody actually make calls from their wireline
>phones anymore??
Yes. I do and I'm sure millions of others do also.
>
>In an area where lots of people move here, many have area codes from
>"back home" and nobody cares. It doesn't cost any different to deal
>with my friends with "foreign" (out of state) phone area codes.
As long as you are using a cell phone that doesn't charge for long
distance then of course you are right. However, area codes do mean
something for people useing landline phones
>
>Besides, where can you get any cell plan for $9 a month that includes
>free nights, weekends, and mobile to mobile before you use ANY of the
>family minutes. Adding a phone on Family Plan is worth it just for the
>mobile-to-mobile with that distant family member!! I bet you're
>spending more than $9 a month without it for JUST THOSE calls!!
>
>As to the fact that a cellular carrier might spend more to transport the
>calls if one of the family phones is (always) out of town is THEIR
>problem, not mine. They shouldn't have offered (FREE) nationwide
>mobile-to-mobile if they didn't want me to use it!
You and I as the consumer are ultimately responsible.
>
>Anyhow it works for me!!
>
>Peace,
>Ron!
>
>Jer wrote:
>> Ron wrote:
>>
>>> The told me that if I get another phone on my plan, making it a family
>>> plan, there would be no additional charges (beyond the phone handset
>>> and the $9.95 per month for service...it shares my minutes.)
>>>
>>> The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
>>> plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the
>>> other coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to
>>> mobile. So what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of
>>> the phone doesn't matter anymore!! Free nights and weekends require
>>> it to be night or weekend in the time zone of all phones, but free
>>> mobile to mobile works 24/7 to/from any Cingular or AT&T phone, even
>>> if the other person DOES NOT have free mobile to mobile.
>>>
>>> It's a good deal, to me!
>>>
>>
>>
>> Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
>> matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
>> long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
>> separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
>> carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
>> ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
>> call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
>> services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
>> to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
>> transporting calls. Once the carrier sees their own internal bills for
>> transport services, the marketing department will know how far they can
>> go with various plan options that show up in media advertising.
>>
>> If a carrier requires family plan members to be locals, that plan all
>> but eliminates LD transport costs. OTOH, if family plan members can be
>> scattered all across the country, then those long distance calls are
>> costing somebody something. One way or another, those costs are going
>> to show up in someone's bill - there just ain't no getting around it.
>>
>> HTH
>>
Anonymous
December 18, 2004 4:00:39 AM
Archived from groups: alt.cellular.cingular (More info?)
[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
In <cpuphl$eur@library2.airnews.net> on Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:14:21 -0600, Jer
<gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
>John Navas wrote:
>> True, but that kind of bulk wholesale backhaul is dirt cheap, a fraction of a
>> cent per minute.
>
>Of course, nobody here has a clue as to the financial details of what
>any wireless carrier actually pays for backhaul voice trunk facilities,
Actually I do. ;-)
>but to think it doesn't contribute to the costs passed along to
>customers would be an inacurate characterization.
What matters is whether those costs are significant or not.
>> Much like the distance-insensitivity of the Internet, the
>> vast majority of long distance cellular costs are local, not long distance.
>
>The prior statement seems confusing... but, I don't think a valid
>comparison can be drawn between non-trunked internet facilities and
>trunked voice facilities used by wireless carriers. I am aware that the
>telco billing rates are significantly different between the two, as well
>as taxes on those rates - for both intra-lata and inter-lata transports.
Backhaul can be done between wireless carrier switching centers over bulk
fiber. Since we still have surplus fiber capacity, rates for bulk fiber are
dirt cheap.
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
In <cpuphl$eur@library2.airnews.net> on Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:14:21 -0600, Jer
<gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
>John Navas wrote:
>> True, but that kind of bulk wholesale backhaul is dirt cheap, a fraction of a
>> cent per minute.
>
>Of course, nobody here has a clue as to the financial details of what
>any wireless carrier actually pays for backhaul voice trunk facilities,
Actually I do. ;-)
>but to think it doesn't contribute to the costs passed along to
>customers would be an inacurate characterization.
What matters is whether those costs are significant or not.
>> Much like the distance-insensitivity of the Internet, the
>> vast majority of long distance cellular costs are local, not long distance.
>
>The prior statement seems confusing... but, I don't think a valid
>comparison can be drawn between non-trunked internet facilities and
>trunked voice facilities used by wireless carriers. I am aware that the
>telco billing rates are significantly different between the two, as well
>as taxes on those rates - for both intra-lata and inter-lata transports.
Backhaul can be done between wireless carrier switching centers over bulk
fiber. Since we still have surplus fiber capacity, rates for bulk fiber are
dirt cheap.
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
Anonymous
December 21, 2004 6:17:03 AM
Archived from groups: alt.cellular.cingular (More info?)
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:16:03 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
alt.cellular.cingular:
>Someone ported outside their local area? How is this possible?
I just did that the other day. Four blue-to-orange ports. (AT&T to
Cingular, even though they call it "migration", not porting.) The
numbers are NY, the address of record is Florida. They did require a
Primary Place of Use (local) address, but snowbirds have 2 primary
addresses.
Not exactly the same thing, but close.
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:16:03 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
alt.cellular.cingular:
>Someone ported outside their local area? How is this possible?
I just did that the other day. Four blue-to-orange ports. (AT&T to
Cingular, even though they call it "migration", not porting.) The
numbers are NY, the address of record is Florida. They did require a
Primary Place of Use (local) address, but snowbirds have 2 primary
addresses.
Not exactly the same thing, but close.
Jer
December 21, 2004 6:17:04 AM
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Al Klein wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:16:03 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
> alt.cellular.cingular:
>
>
>>Someone ported outside their local area? How is this possible?
>
>
> I just did that the other day. Four blue-to-orange ports. (AT&T to
> Cingular, even though they call it "migration", not porting.) The
> numbers are NY, the address of record is Florida. They did require a
> Primary Place of Use (local) address, but snowbirds have 2 primary
> addresses.
>
> Not exactly the same thing, but close.
Oh, okay, yeah... not the same thing. The blue to orange migration plan
is an advantage of volunteering your blue service contracts to be
converted (migrated) to the orange books, and included contract
provisions will be honoured until their natural end - but, after that,
I'm told it won't be renewable as it stands today. With some luck,
maybe orange will change things and your current provisions will be
offered under an original orange contract by then. Cross your fingers.
--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'
Al Klein wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:16:03 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
> alt.cellular.cingular:
>
>
>>Someone ported outside their local area? How is this possible?
>
>
> I just did that the other day. Four blue-to-orange ports. (AT&T to
> Cingular, even though they call it "migration", not porting.) The
> numbers are NY, the address of record is Florida. They did require a
> Primary Place of Use (local) address, but snowbirds have 2 primary
> addresses.
>
> Not exactly the same thing, but close.
Oh, okay, yeah... not the same thing. The blue to orange migration plan
is an advantage of volunteering your blue service contracts to be
converted (migrated) to the orange books, and included contract
provisions will be honoured until their natural end - but, after that,
I'm told it won't be renewable as it stands today. With some luck,
maybe orange will change things and your current provisions will be
offered under an original orange contract by then. Cross your fingers.
--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'
kev
December 21, 2004 7:05:55 AM
Archived from groups: alt.cellular.cingular (More info?)
You will have a problem once the merger is complete. ATT WS allowed
family plans to have different region numbers so long as at least some
calls were made from the billing area code over the course of the year.
They recognized that parents have kids in college and in the military
and they are often in differing parts of the country. I have had both
312 Chicago and 404 Atlanta numbers on my plans. I have been informed
that, once the merger is complete, this arrangement will no longer be
acceptable. All family plan phones must be on the same area codes and
such codes must match the physical billing address. In addition a
certain percentage of calls must be made from your home area every
month to continue with a plan so even if I put my son's 312 on 404,
since he only comes home at Christmas and summer, we still won't
qualify.
You will have a problem once the merger is complete. ATT WS allowed
family plans to have different region numbers so long as at least some
calls were made from the billing area code over the course of the year.
They recognized that parents have kids in college and in the military
and they are often in differing parts of the country. I have had both
312 Chicago and 404 Atlanta numbers on my plans. I have been informed
that, once the merger is complete, this arrangement will no longer be
acceptable. All family plan phones must be on the same area codes and
such codes must match the physical billing address. In addition a
certain percentage of calls must be made from your home area every
month to continue with a plan so even if I put my son's 312 on 404,
since he only comes home at Christmas and summer, we still won't
qualify.
kev
December 21, 2004 7:08:38 AM
Archived from groups: alt.cellular.cingular (More info?)
Awww but they also require that a certain percentage of your calls be
made from the home area every month too.
The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the other
coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to mobile.
So what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of the
phone doesn't matter anymore!! Free nights
Awww but they also require that a certain percentage of your calls be
made from the home area every month too.
The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the other
coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to mobile.
So what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of the
phone doesn't matter anymore!! Free nights
kev
December 21, 2004 7:12:11 AM
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Not yet but more and more wirelines are following in cellular's steps
and becoming one price for all. My home phone has both unlimited local
and long distance for the USA and Canada on it.
Oh yes they do! If the exchange your number is in is not local to
your caller they may pay a toll charge to call you. The whole US is
not one local calling area yet!
Not yet but more and more wirelines are following in cellular's steps
and becoming one price for all. My home phone has both unlimited local
and long distance for the USA and Canada on it.
Oh yes they do! If the exchange your number is in is not local to
your caller they may pay a toll charge to call you. The whole US is
not one local calling area yet!
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 7:07:52 AM
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:25:03 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
alt.cellular.cingular:
>Oh, okay, yeah... not the same thing. The blue to orange migration plan
>is an advantage of volunteering your blue service contracts to be
>converted (migrated) to the orange books, and included contract
>provisions will be honoured until their natural end
Nope. Blue to orange gives you an orange contract. It cancels the
blue contract, but with no ETF.
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:25:03 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
alt.cellular.cingular:
>Oh, okay, yeah... not the same thing. The blue to orange migration plan
>is an advantage of volunteering your blue service contracts to be
>converted (migrated) to the orange books, and included contract
>provisions will be honoured until their natural end
Nope. Blue to orange gives you an orange contract. It cancels the
blue contract, but with no ETF.
Jer
December 22, 2004 11:32:25 AM
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Al Klein wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:25:03 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
> alt.cellular.cingular:
>
>
>>Oh, okay, yeah... not the same thing. The blue to orange migration plan
>>is an advantage of volunteering your blue service contracts to be
>>converted (migrated) to the orange books, and included contract
>>provisions will be honoured until their natural end
>
>
> Nope. Blue to orange gives you an orange contract. It cancels the
> blue contract, but with no ETF.
I don't think that's entirely true from what I've heard from others that
have come over to the orange side - they're still blue under that new
coat of paint.
--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'
Al Klein wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:25:03 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
> alt.cellular.cingular:
>
>
>>Oh, okay, yeah... not the same thing. The blue to orange migration plan
>>is an advantage of volunteering your blue service contracts to be
>>converted (migrated) to the orange books, and included contract
>>provisions will be honoured until their natural end
>
>
> Nope. Blue to orange gives you an orange contract. It cancels the
> blue contract, but with no ETF.
I don't think that's entirely true from what I've heard from others that
have come over to the orange side - they're still blue under that new
coat of paint.
--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'
Anonymous
December 23, 2004 7:16:47 AM
Archived from groups: alt.cellular.cingular (More info?)
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:32:25 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
alt.cellular.cingular:
>I don't think that's entirely true from what I've heard from others that
>have come over to the orange side - they're still blue under that new
>coat of paint.
I've handed people their new orange contracts.
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:32:25 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
alt.cellular.cingular:
>I don't think that's entirely true from what I've heard from others that
>have come over to the orange side - they're still blue under that new
>coat of paint.
I've handed people their new orange contracts.
Jer
December 23, 2004 7:16:48 AM
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Al Klein wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:32:25 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
> alt.cellular.cingular:
>
>
>>I don't think that's entirely true from what I've heard from others that
>>have come over to the orange side - they're still blue under that new
>>coat of paint.
>
>
> I've handed people their new orange contracts.
I'm sure you have. My curiosity reared it's ugly head again this
morning, so I snooped for more info. Turns out this guy's new orange
service is part of a national account, which according to him, is
managed by someone in Atlanta. Since there are +800 employees with
service in his company, I suppose they get to keep certain advantages.
--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'
Al Klein wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:32:25 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
> alt.cellular.cingular:
>
>
>>I don't think that's entirely true from what I've heard from others that
>>have come over to the orange side - they're still blue under that new
>>coat of paint.
>
>
> I've handed people their new orange contracts.
I'm sure you have. My curiosity reared it's ugly head again this
morning, so I snooped for more info. Turns out this guy's new orange
service is part of a national account, which according to him, is
managed by someone in Atlanta. Since there are +800 employees with
service in his company, I suppose they get to keep certain advantages.
--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'
Ron
December 24, 2004 1:16:18 AM
Archived from groups: alt.cellular.cingular (More info?)
> The whole US is not one local calling area yet!
On my cell phone to another at&t/cingular phone, and to ALL USA phones
after 7pm and on the weekends, the whole USA is an UNLIMITED FREE LOCAL
calling area. Well, it's not free, because I pay about a hundred
dollars for the plan, including data, taxes, insurances, etc.
=Ron!
> The whole US is not one local calling area yet!
On my cell phone to another at&t/cingular phone, and to ALL USA phones
after 7pm and on the weekends, the whole USA is an UNLIMITED FREE LOCAL
calling area. Well, it's not free, because I pay about a hundred
dollars for the plan, including data, taxes, insurances, etc.
=Ron!
Anonymous
June 9, 2010 7:11:15 PM
I just did this today. I have 2 phones with a Wisconsin Area Code (414), and I wanted to add my sister to my family plan (she lives in Colorado, and has a 303 area code.)
Steps:
1. My sister Called 1-800-331-0500 (AT&T customer service)
2. She Initiated a Transfer of Billing Responsibility to Me. (To get the lines all under one name)
3. I called National Business Office (AT&T NBO) at 888-444-4410 option 2, 5.
4. I asked to add my sister's number to my account.
5. In order to keep the numbers the same, she had to create a new account and add all three lines to a new account number as a 'Small business account'
There was an 18$ transfer fee, and the contract on the 3rd line was extended to 11 months. Now, all three phones have the numbers they started with, and all on the 'family plan' which is saving us $45 a month.
Steps:
1. My sister Called 1-800-331-0500 (AT&T customer service)
2. She Initiated a Transfer of Billing Responsibility to Me. (To get the lines all under one name)
3. I called National Business Office (AT&T NBO) at 888-444-4410 option 2, 5.
4. I asked to add my sister's number to my account.
5. In order to keep the numbers the same, she had to create a new account and add all three lines to a new account number as a 'Small business account'
There was an 18$ transfer fee, and the contract on the 3rd line was extended to 11 months. Now, all three phones have the numbers they started with, and all on the 'family plan' which is saving us $45 a month.
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