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February 8, 2005 2:33:50 AM

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I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no problems.
I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as far as the 2nd
PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a Broadband USB Modem but
the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45 network cables - maybe
that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my question is this:
What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I need
an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong in my
attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
Any recomendations gratefully received.

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Anonymous
February 8, 2005 2:33:51 AM

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I use a router.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no problems.
>I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as far as the 2nd
>PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a Broadband USB Modem but
>the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45 network cables - maybe
>that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my question is this:
> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I need
> an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong in my
> attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>
Anonymous
February 8, 2005 2:33:51 AM

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If both PC's are going to be accessing the 'Net, your better option would be
to utilize a router. This will allow you to configure both PC's easily and
allow for additional PC's in the future.

Routers are fairly inexpensive and generally easy to set up. Most are "plug
and play" and require very little, if any, configuration out of the box,
particularly if you are not using a wireless router (you have no need of a
wireless router unless you have laptops or other mobile devices with
wireless capability OR you intend to acquire a mobile device in the near
future.)

"Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no problems.
>I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as far as the 2nd
>PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a Broadband USB Modem but
>the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45 network cables - maybe
>that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my question is this:
> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I need
> an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong in my
> attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>
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February 8, 2005 3:48:41 AM

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Ah right, so considering this is a 'basics' group and I'm a little out of my
depth here, does a router replace the USB Modem or do I use them together?

"DJ Borell" <dborell@techmedix.com> wrote in message
news:o GPX3YXDFHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> If both PC's are going to be accessing the 'Net, your better option would
> be to utilize a router. This will allow you to configure both PC's easily
> and allow for additional PC's in the future.
>
> Routers are fairly inexpensive and generally easy to set up. Most are
> "plug and play" and require very little, if any, configuration out of the
> box, particularly if you are not using a wireless router (you have no need
> of a wireless router unless you have laptops or other mobile devices with
> wireless capability OR you intend to acquire a mobile device in the near
> future.)
>
> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message
> news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no problems.
>>I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as far as the
>>2nd PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a Broadband USB
>>Modem but the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45 network cables -
>>maybe that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my question is this:
>> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I
>> need an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong in
>> my attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
>> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>>
>
>
Anonymous
February 8, 2005 3:48:42 AM

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You will use them together. Rather than connecting the modem to your PC via
the USB, you will use the RJ-45 (network) port on the modem, and connect
that to the "WAN" or "Uplink" port on the router (the name of the port
depends on which brand of router you purchase). You will then connect each
PC to the numbered ports on the router using a standard (patch -- NOT
crossover) cable to your network cards.

"Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message news:cu929v$mc$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Ah right, so considering this is a 'basics' group and I'm a little out of
> my depth here, does a router replace the USB Modem or do I use them
> together?
>
> "DJ Borell" <dborell@techmedix.com> wrote in message
> news:o GPX3YXDFHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> If both PC's are going to be accessing the 'Net, your better option would
>> be to utilize a router. This will allow you to configure both PC's
>> easily and allow for additional PC's in the future.
>>
>> Routers are fairly inexpensive and generally easy to set up. Most are
>> "plug and play" and require very little, if any, configuration out of the
>> box, particularly if you are not using a wireless router (you have no
>> need of a wireless router unless you have laptops or other mobile devices
>> with wireless capability OR you intend to acquire a mobile device in the
>> near future.)
>>
>> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message
>> news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no
>>>problems. I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as
>>>far as the 2nd PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a
>>>Broadband USB Modem but the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45
>>>network cables - maybe that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my
>>>question is this:
>>> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I
>>> need an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong
>>> in my attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
>>> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
February 8, 2005 3:48:43 AM

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If you get a router, consider getting one with wireless as well just in case
you start using a laptop or want a pc in an out of the way place in the
house (or even want to take advantage of home multimedia devices).

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"DJ Borell" <dborell@techmedix.com> wrote in message
news:o L6sE3XDFHA.1564@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> You will use them together. Rather than connecting the modem to your PC
> via the USB, you will use the RJ-45 (network) port on the modem, and
> connect that to the "WAN" or "Uplink" port on the router (the name of the
> port depends on which brand of router you purchase). You will then
> connect each PC to the numbered ports on the router using a standard
> (patch -- NOT crossover) cable to your network cards.
>
> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message news:cu929v$mc$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> Ah right, so considering this is a 'basics' group and I'm a little out of
>> my depth here, does a router replace the USB Modem or do I use them
>> together?
>>
>> "DJ Borell" <dborell@techmedix.com> wrote in message
>> news:o GPX3YXDFHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> If both PC's are going to be accessing the 'Net, your better option
>>> would be to utilize a router. This will allow you to configure both
>>> PC's easily and allow for additional PC's in the future.
>>>
>>> Routers are fairly inexpensive and generally easy to set up. Most are
>>> "plug and play" and require very little, if any, configuration out of
>>> the box, particularly if you are not using a wireless router (you have
>>> no need of a wireless router unless you have laptops or other mobile
>>> devices with wireless capability OR you intend to acquire a mobile
>>> device in the near future.)
>>>
>>> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message
>>> news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no
>>>>problems. I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as
>>>>far as the 2nd PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a
>>>>Broadband USB Modem but the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45
>>>>network cables - maybe that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my
>>>>question is this:
>>>> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I
>>>> need an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong
>>>> in my attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
>>>> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
February 8, 2005 12:32:13 PM

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Thanks for your help. However, I've only got 2 ports on the USB Modem - one
is the USB socket, the other is for connecting the Modem to the phone line



"DJ Borell" <dborell@techmedix.com> wrote in message
news:o L6sE3XDFHA.1564@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> You will use them together. Rather than connecting the modem to your PC
> via the USB, you will use the RJ-45 (network) port on the modem, and
> connect that to the "WAN" or "Uplink" port on the router (the name of the
> port depends on which brand of router you purchase). You will then
> connect each PC to the numbered ports on the router using a standard
> (patch -- NOT crossover) cable to your network cards.
>
> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message news:cu929v$mc$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> Ah right, so considering this is a 'basics' group and I'm a little out of
>> my depth here, does a router replace the USB Modem or do I use them
>> together?
>>
>> "DJ Borell" <dborell@techmedix.com> wrote in message
>> news:o GPX3YXDFHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> If both PC's are going to be accessing the 'Net, your better option
>>> would be to utilize a router. This will allow you to configure both
>>> PC's easily and allow for additional PC's in the future.
>>>
>>> Routers are fairly inexpensive and generally easy to set up. Most are
>>> "plug and play" and require very little, if any, configuration out of
>>> the box, particularly if you are not using a wireless router (you have
>>> no need of a wireless router unless you have laptops or other mobile
>>> devices with wireless capability OR you intend to acquire a mobile
>>> device in the near future.)
>>>
>>> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message
>>> news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no
>>>>problems. I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as
>>>>far as the 2nd PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a
>>>>Broadband USB Modem but the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45
>>>>network cables - maybe that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my
>>>>question is this:
>>>> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I
>>>> need an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong
>>>> in my attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
>>>> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
February 8, 2005 12:32:14 PM

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"Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in news:cua0va$hsj$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk:

> Thanks for your help. However, I've only got 2 ports on the USB Modem
> - one is the USB socket, the other is for connecting the Modem to the
> phone line
>
>
>
<SNIP>

phone line ? positive ?
Anonymous
February 8, 2005 1:22:19 PM

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If you mentioned that earlier, I must have missed it.

I've seen these kinds of modems before for DSL, but I thought they had
stopped using them. Essentially, they've built the entire unit into one
box - DSL "Modem" and network card. Rather than using a network cable, you
connect to it with USB.

This leaves you with two options, you can use ICS on one system and continue
to connect the other system via a crossover cable, or you will have to
purchase a new DLS modem to go along with the router. If you see a need to
go with wireless or plan on having more than your two systems in the future,
then buying a new modem may be worth the expense. Otherwise, ICS is the way
to go.

Also, depending who your DSL provider is, you may be able to convince them
to upgrade your modem to a standard one. No guarantee they'll do it, but
it's worth a shot.

"Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message news:cua0va$hsj$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Thanks for your help. However, I've only got 2 ports on the USB Modem -
> one is the USB socket, the other is for connecting the Modem to the phone
> line
>
>
>
Anonymous
February 8, 2005 2:34:03 PM

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"DJ Borell" <dborell@techmedix.com> wrote in message
news:o L6sE3XDFHA.1564@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> You will use them together. Rather than connecting the modem to your PC
via
> the USB, you will use the RJ-45 (network) port on the modem,

I think the other replies missed your comment about there being _no_ RJ-45
port on the modem. I'm not aware of a router that supports a USB modem -
that would be difficult. My guess it you will need to replace the modem.

What modem is it? Perhaps there is a poer hidden somewhere?
Anonymous
February 8, 2005 3:45:26 PM

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Jon wrote:

>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no problems.
>I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as far as the 2nd
>PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a Broadband USB Modem but
>the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45 network cables - maybe
>that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my question is this:
>What's the cheapest hardware solution?

ICS ought to work. You set it up from the machine that connects to the
Internet. In Network Connections, right click that, Properties, and in
Advanced check the box to 'let others share'

It will insist on making the IP address of your inter-machine connection
be 192.168.0.1 and the IP address at the other end must be another in
192.168.0.x - that may well be your trouble


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. Alexn@mvps.D8E8L.org (remove the D8 bit)
February 8, 2005 4:08:06 PM

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It's a Zyxel Prestige 630 and there's no RJ45 port.
Loking around hardware sites it seems I can get an ADSL modem, router,
four-port 10/100 LAN switch, and SPI True Firewall combined such as the
Netgear DG834 Firewall Router. That would seem to fit the bill



"CWatters" <colin.watters@pandoraBOX.be> wrote in message
news:Ls1Od.6399$T14.502877@phobos.telenet-ops.be...
>
> "DJ Borell" <dborell@techmedix.com> wrote in message
> news:o L6sE3XDFHA.1564@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> You will use them together. Rather than connecting the modem to your PC
> via
>> the USB, you will use the RJ-45 (network) port on the modem,
>
> I think the other replies missed your comment about there being _no_ RJ-45
> port on the modem. I'm not aware of a router that supports a USB modem -
> that would be difficult. My guess it you will need to replace the modem.
>
> What modem is it? Perhaps there is a poer hidden somewhere?
>
>
>
Anonymous
February 8, 2005 6:16:45 PM

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JOHN - this identical question, but in reverse, is current in the "hardware"
ngroup "2pc Lan network" post dated 5 Feb.
The answer to your question is VERY simple (because I'm doing it right now)
and the complete answer to you is in that post.
In brief - you don't need a second RJ45 cable on your modem - the modem
should be connected to the "host" pc, the "slave" pc accesses the internet
through its already existing connection via RJ45 crossover cable to the
second LAN card in host pc. Both can then access the modem, simultaneously,
sharing the bandwidth - this will only noticeably slow down with
simultaneous "large file" downloads - so don't dowmload SP2 on both pc's at
once!

My post is still open, on how to acheive what you have already have - 2 pc
network via crossover cable. You have the answer I need (you're doing it
already). I've answered your question - can you now help me?

I don't want to spend more money on a router (don't think you do either)
primarily because there's only 2 pc's involved and unlikely to be a third
added.
Would you please input to my "hardware" ng question (which is more
appropriate for these questions) if you are willing to help?

Sincerely, Len.

"Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no problems.
>I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as far as the 2nd
>PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a Broadband USB Modem but
>the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45 network cables - maybe
>that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my question is this:
> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I need
> an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong in my
> attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>
Anonymous
February 8, 2005 6:53:23 PM

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I missed the fact that your modem is connecting via USB2 - my modem
(allegedly USB or RJ45) wouldn't work with USB so I went the LANcard route.
HOWEVER - doesn't alter the essential fact that you have what I'm looking
for - a 2 pc network via LAN card, and I'd appreciate your help.


"Yabbadoo" <lsdolby@ignore.ntlwor.com> wrote in message
news:xJ4Od.786$a81.186@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> JOHN - this identical question, but in reverse, is current in the
> "hardware" ngroup "2pc Lan network" post dated 5 Feb.
> The answer to your question is VERY simple (because I'm doing it right
> now) and the complete answer to you is in that post.
> In brief - you don't need a second RJ45 cable on your modem - the modem
> should be connected to the "host" pc, the "slave" pc accesses the internet
> through its already existing connection via RJ45 crossover cable to the
> second LAN card in host pc. Both can then access the modem,
> simultaneously, sharing the bandwidth - this will only noticeably slow
> down with simultaneous "large file" downloads - so don't dowmload SP2 on
> both pc's at once!
>
> My post is still open, on how to acheive what you have already have - 2 pc
> network via crossover cable. You have the answer I need (you're doing it
> already). I've answered your question - can you now help me?
>
> I don't want to spend more money on a router (don't think you do either)
> primarily because there's only 2 pc's involved and unlikely to be a third
> added.
> Would you please input to my "hardware" ng question (which is more
> appropriate for these questions) if you are willing to help?
>
> Sincerely, Len.
>
> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message
> news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no problems.
>>I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as far as the
>>2nd PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a Broadband USB
>>Modem but the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45 network cables -
>>maybe that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my question is this:
>> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I
>> need an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong in
>> my attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
>> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>>
>
>
Anonymous
February 8, 2005 10:24:54 PM

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LATER.... I've solved the problem. Can now assure you categorically that,
for 2 pc's, you do NOT need a router to create a network with full Internet
access.
Sincerely, Len.

"Yabbadoo" <lsdolby@ignore.ntlwor.com> wrote in message
news:xJ4Od.786$a81.186@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> JOHN - this identical question, but in reverse, is current in the
> "hardware" ngroup "2pc Lan network" post dated 5 Feb.
> The answer to your question is VERY simple (because I'm doing it right
> now) and the complete answer to you is in that post.
> In brief - you don't need a second RJ45 cable on your modem - the modem
> should be connected to the "host" pc, the "slave" pc accesses the internet
> through its already existing connection via RJ45 crossover cable to the
> second LAN card in host pc. Both can then access the modem,
> simultaneously, sharing the bandwidth - this will only noticeably slow
> down with simultaneous "large file" downloads - so don't dowmload SP2 on
> both pc's at once!
>
> My post is still open, on how to acheive what you have already have - 2 pc
> network via crossover cable. You have the answer I need (you're doing it
> already). I've answered your question - can you now help me?
>
> I don't want to spend more money on a router (don't think you do either)
> primarily because there's only 2 pc's involved and unlikely to be a third
> added.
> Would you please input to my "hardware" ng question (which is more
> appropriate for these questions) if you are willing to help?
>
> Sincerely, Len.
>
> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message
> news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no problems.
>>I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as far as the
>>2nd PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a Broadband USB
>>Modem but the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45 network cables -
>>maybe that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my question is this:
>> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I
>> need an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong in
>> my attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
>> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>>
>
>
February 9, 2005 2:30:46 AM

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Not too sure what your'e saying at the Windowsxp.Hardware ng Yabbadoo
regarding how to share Internet without a router.
If it's possible I'd love to know how.
Re-iteration of my set up:
2 XP Home PCs networked via a crossover cable - no probs
1st PC broadband connected via USB Modem with no RJ45 socket
2nd PC can't access Internet via 1st PC
If I can avoid buying a router and having a bunch more cables and boxes I'd
be a happy man. But how?
I've tried all I know - run the wizard on both PCs many times and still
nothing.
Do I have to configure the 2nd PCs Browser and Email app with the same
account settings as on the 1st PC or do I just
fire up Firefox/IE/Outlook and expect to browse/Email as on 1st PC.
And what's the point of an ICS wizard that doesn't work?


"Yabbadoo" <lsdolby@ignore.ntlwor.com> wrote in message
news:am8Od.1049$3e6.1030@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> LATER.... I've solved the problem. Can now assure you categorically that,
> for 2 pc's, you do NOT need a router to create a network with full
> Internet access.
> Sincerely, Len.
>
> "Yabbadoo" <lsdolby@ignore.ntlwor.com> wrote in message
> news:xJ4Od.786$a81.186@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> JOHN - this identical question, but in reverse, is current in the
>> "hardware" ngroup "2pc Lan network" post dated 5 Feb.
>> The answer to your question is VERY simple (because I'm doing it right
>> now) and the complete answer to you is in that post.
>> In brief - you don't need a second RJ45 cable on your modem - the modem
>> should be connected to the "host" pc, the "slave" pc accesses the
>> internet through its already existing connection via RJ45 crossover cable
>> to the second LAN card in host pc. Both can then access the modem,
>> simultaneously, sharing the bandwidth - this will only noticeably slow
>> down with simultaneous "large file" downloads - so don't dowmload SP2 on
>> both pc's at once!
>>
>> My post is still open, on how to acheive what you have already have - 2
>> pc network via crossover cable. You have the answer I need (you're doing
>> it already). I've answered your question - can you now help me?
>>
>> I don't want to spend more money on a router (don't think you do either)
>> primarily because there's only 2 pc's involved and unlikely to be a third
>> added.
>> Would you please input to my "hardware" ng question (which is more
>> appropriate for these questions) if you are willing to help?
>>
>> Sincerely, Len.
>>
>> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message
>> news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no
>>>problems. I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as
>>>far as the 2nd PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a
>>>Broadband USB Modem but the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45
>>>network cables - maybe that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my
>>>question is this:
>>> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I
>>> need an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong
>>> in my attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
>>> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
February 9, 2005 3:21:55 PM

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Jon - differences between your set-up and mine is that your Host pc has only
ONE Lan card, and that you connect to Internet via USB modem, and possibly
your ISP connection (mine's cable, yours,"broadband" - that cable or ADSL?).
On the basis that you already have a LAN network, your actual question is -
how to share the USB internet connection(and, being a relative novice, I
can't answer that).
You have three options, in my view -
1/ Post an entirely new question (asking whether it's possible to share USB
internet on an existing 2 pc LAN network)
If it's possible, fine, no additional expense.
2/ Buy a new LAN card (from DABS in UK, about £5) an RJ45 modem and short
RJ45 cable to connect it - cost about £47 fro Dabs (be careful here to get
correct one - ADSL or cable) I suspect it's not cable, in my limited
experience the cable co would have provided a free modem capable of both USB
and RJ45 connectivity to pc. Are you SURE there isn't an RJ45 socket next to
the PS2 cable socket on that modem??? If so, all you need is the Lamcard and
short RJ45 cable - less than £10 incl postage.

Added thought - if ADSL, and ISP provided the modem, see if they will
exchange it for an ethernet(Lan) modem.

Whilst these 2 are sufficient (provided modem connects via ethernetLan card)
the 3rd option is to spend another £40+on a router(on top of option 2) but
unless there's possiblility of a third pc on the network in the future,
that's unnecessary.

Re E-Mail - Networking allows each pc to access internet independantly, no
account setting changes necessary. It's a SHARED connection but each share
is independant of the other - the only requirement is the basic one - host
pc must be powered up to allow 2nd pc to access. Same applies to surfing,
networked, either one or both can surf at the same time.

ICS DOES work - but only if you have networked internet access. At present
you don't (so it cannot work)

Hope this helps - Len

"Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message news:cubi3a$b5e$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Not too sure what your'e saying at the Windowsxp.Hardware ng Yabbadoo
> regarding how to share Internet without a router.
> If it's possible I'd love to know how.
> Re-iteration of my set up:
> 2 XP Home PCs networked via a crossover cable - no probs
> 1st PC broadband connected via USB Modem with no RJ45 socket
> 2nd PC can't access Internet via 1st PC
> If I can avoid buying a router and having a bunch more cables and boxes
> I'd be a happy man. But how?
> I've tried all I know - run the wizard on both PCs many times and still
> nothing.
> Do I have to configure the 2nd PCs Browser and Email app with the same
> account settings as on the 1st PC or do I just
> fire up Firefox/IE/Outlook and expect to browse/Email as on 1st PC.
> And what's the point of an ICS wizard that doesn't work?
>
>
> "Yabbadoo" <lsdolby@ignore.ntlwor.com> wrote in message
> news:am8Od.1049$3e6.1030@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>> LATER.... I've solved the problem. Can now assure you categorically that,
>> for 2 pc's, you do NOT need a router to create a network with full
>> Internet access.
>> Sincerely, Len.
>>
>> "Yabbadoo" <lsdolby@ignore.ntlwor.com> wrote in message
>> news:xJ4Od.786$a81.186@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>>> JOHN - this identical question, but in reverse, is current in the
>>> "hardware" ngroup "2pc Lan network" post dated 5 Feb.
>>> The answer to your question is VERY simple (because I'm doing it right
>>> now) and the complete answer to you is in that post.
>>> In brief - you don't need a second RJ45 cable on your modem - the modem
>>> should be connected to the "host" pc, the "slave" pc accesses the
>>> internet through its already existing connection via RJ45 crossover
>>> cable to the second LAN card in host pc. Both can then access the modem,
>>> simultaneously, sharing the bandwidth - this will only noticeably slow
>>> down with simultaneous "large file" downloads - so don't dowmload SP2 on
>>> both pc's at once!
>>>
>>> My post is still open, on how to acheive what you have already have - 2
>>> pc network via crossover cable. You have the answer I need (you're doing
>>> it already). I've answered your question - can you now help me?
>>>
>>> I don't want to spend more money on a router (don't think you do either)
>>> primarily because there's only 2 pc's involved and unlikely to be a
>>> third added.
>>> Would you please input to my "hardware" ng question (which is more
>>> appropriate for these questions) if you are willing to help?
>>>
>>> Sincerely, Len.
>>>
>>> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message
>>> news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no
>>>>problems. I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as
>>>>far as the 2nd PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a
>>>>Broadband USB Modem but the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45
>>>>network cables - maybe that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my
>>>>question is this:
>>>> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I
>>>> need an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong
>>>> in my attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
>>>> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
February 9, 2005 6:39:03 PM

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Jon, all you really need to do is run an Internet Sharing Server on your
Host computer. This is required when using a USB modem and not an eithernet
connection.

You will need to use something like Wingate. goto http:www.wingate.com to
check it out. I have been told there are free software packages that do the
same, but since I no longer use a USB modem, I have not looked for them.

Robert...
"Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no problems.
>I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as far as the 2nd
>PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a Broadband USB Modem but
>the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45 network cables - maybe
>that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my question is this:
> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I need
> an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong in my
> attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>
Anonymous
February 9, 2005 6:55:15 PM

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I did a fast search and found these on the top.

Check out some of these programs:

1. Wingate- http://www.wingate.com

2. Winroute Firewall- http://www.deerfield.com/products/winroute-firewall/

3. WinProxy- http://www.winproxy.com/index.asp

4. PPPShar- http://www.pppindia.com/intl/pppshar/


"Robert Jacobs" <rjacobs0spamfree@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:%23DecMCwDFHA.2568@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Jon, all you really need to do is run an Internet Sharing Server on your
> Host computer. This is required when using a USB modem and not an
> eithernet connection.
>
> You will need to use something like Wingate. goto http:www.wingate.com to
> check it out. I have been told there are free software packages that do
> the same, but since I no longer use a USB modem, I have not looked for
> them.
>
> Robert...
> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message
> news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no problems.
>>I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as far as the
>>2nd PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a Broadband USB
>>Modem but the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45 network cables -
>>maybe that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my question is this:
>> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I
>> need an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong in
>> my attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
>> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>>
>
>
February 11, 2005 2:21:46 AM

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Mmm... that's interesting. Costwise it's approx the same price for a
software solution as for a hardware ADSL modem, router, four-port 10/100 LAN
switch, and SPI True Firewall combined. As there's trial options on the
software, I'll try that first.
Thankyou


"Robert Jacobs" <rjacobs0spamfree@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:uycWPLwDFHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>I did a fast search and found these on the top.
>
> Check out some of these programs:
>
> 1. Wingate- http://www.wingate.com
>
> 2. Winroute Firewall-
> http://www.deerfield.com/products/winroute-firewall/
>
> 3. WinProxy- http://www.winproxy.com/index.asp
>
> 4. PPPShar- http://www.pppindia.com/intl/pppshar/
>
>
> "Robert Jacobs" <rjacobs0spamfree@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:%23DecMCwDFHA.2568@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Jon, all you really need to do is run an Internet Sharing Server on your
>> Host computer. This is required when using a USB modem and not an
>> eithernet connection.
>>
>> You will need to use something like Wingate. goto http:www.wingate.com to
>> check it out. I have been told there are free software packages that do
>> the same, but since I no longer use a USB modem, I have not looked for
>> them.
>>
>> Robert...
>> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message
>> news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no
>>>problems. I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as
>>>far as the 2nd PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a
>>>Broadband USB Modem but the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45
>>>network cables - maybe that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my
>>>question is this:
>>> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I
>>> need an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong
>>> in my attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
>>> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
February 11, 2005 5:05:28 AM

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Well, I just been trying out Wingate as it sounds very impressive on
website. Unfortunately I couldn't get it to work at all. Instructions not
very useful . After figuring out how to set it up (obviously incorrectly) I
found that when I try to achieve an Internet connection on the Host it
totally crashes XP Home - reboots!!! After spending a couple of hours
attempting to figure out why and finding the Help file to be of no help
whatsoever, I found that the only way I could get online to find better
support was to uninstall the damn thing.
I notice that the Wingate Online Troubleshooter doesn't work either - ie.
Select 'I'm having problems with Wingate' - next page says 'What kind of
problems are you experiencing' and the only options you have is to select
'Back' or 'Start over'! Very helpful indeed.
Wingate: A most frustrating and time-wasting experience.






"Robert Jacobs" <rjacobs0spamfree@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:uycWPLwDFHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>I did a fast search and found these on the top.
>
> Check out some of these programs:
>
> 1. Wingate- http://www.wingate.com
>
> 2. Winroute Firewall-
> http://www.deerfield.com/products/winroute-firewall/
>
> 3. WinProxy- http://www.winproxy.com/index.asp
>
> 4. PPPShar- http://www.pppindia.com/intl/pppshar/
>
>
> "Robert Jacobs" <rjacobs0spamfree@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:%23DecMCwDFHA.2568@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Jon, all you really need to do is run an Internet Sharing Server on your
>> Host computer. This is required when using a USB modem and not an
>> eithernet connection.
>>
>> You will need to use something like Wingate. goto http:www.wingate.com to
>> check it out. I have been told there are free software packages that do
>> the same, but since I no longer use a USB modem, I have not looked for
>> them.
>>
>> Robert...
>> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message
>> news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no
>>>problems. I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as
>>>far as the 2nd PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a
>>>Broadband USB Modem but the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45
>>>network cables - maybe that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my
>>>question is this:
>>> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I
>>> need an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong
>>> in my attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
>>> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
February 11, 2005 2:51:02 PM

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Why not just ADSL modem with RJ45 outout port and a second LAN card to
connect it to, then use XP's ICS to get both on-line? Firewall both pc's,
effective security on both - you don't NEED the router/switch for just 2
pc's (you've already got the network running without it). P.S. don't forget
the RJ45 patch, not crossover) cable to connect modem to Lan

All you need do then is set up the new LANcard to the modem (easy), and
ICS(also easy).

A second LAN card's needed for a router anyway ( DABS own "value" card at £5
works fine at 100Mbs, recommendation). I'm assuming you're in UK so
www.dabs.com/uk

All the info is in the "hardware" ng, "2pc LAN network" thread started 5
Feb. You've done the hard work already.
The justification for "router" is essentially security. Adequate security
installed on both pc's should suffice - neither of my pc's, either as
standalones or networked, have (or have had) security issues - user's
choice, but mine is that the additional expense of a router for 2 pc's is
not justified.

Sincerely, Len.

"Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message news:cugqab$l6p$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Mmm... that's interesting. Costwise it's approx the same price for a
> software solution as for a hardware ADSL modem, router, four-port 10/100
> LAN switch, and SPI True Firewall combined. As there's trial options on
> the software, I'll try that first.
> Thankyou
>
>
> "Robert Jacobs" <rjacobs0spamfree@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:uycWPLwDFHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>I did a fast search and found these on the top.
>>
>> Check out some of these programs:
>>
>> 1. Wingate- http://www.wingate.com
>>
>> 2. Winroute Firewall-
>> http://www.deerfield.com/products/winroute-firewall/
>>
>> 3. WinProxy- http://www.winproxy.com/index.asp
>>
>> 4. PPPShar- http://www.pppindia.com/intl/pppshar/
>>
>>
>> "Robert Jacobs" <rjacobs0spamfree@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23DecMCwDFHA.2568@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Jon, all you really need to do is run an Internet Sharing Server on your
>>> Host computer. This is required when using a USB modem and not an
>>> eithernet connection.
>>>
>>> You will need to use something like Wingate. goto http:www.wingate.com
>>> to check it out. I have been told there are free software packages that
>>> do the same, but since I no longer use a USB modem, I have not looked
>>> for them.
>>>
>>> Robert...
>>> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message
>>> news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no
>>>>problems. I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as
>>>>far as the 2nd PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a
>>>>Broadband USB Modem but the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45
>>>>network cables - maybe that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my
>>>>question is this:
>>>> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I
>>>> need an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong
>>>> in my attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
>>>> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
February 11, 2005 4:02:27 PM

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Sorry Wingate is so frustrating for you, When I used it it worked in 5 min
after installation.


"Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message news:cuh3tb$o7o$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Well, I just been trying out Wingate as it sounds very impressive on
> website. Unfortunately I couldn't get it to work at all. Instructions not
> very useful . After figuring out how to set it up (obviously incorrectly)
> I found that when I try to achieve an Internet connection on the Host it
> totally crashes XP Home - reboots!!! After spending a couple of hours
> attempting to figure out why and finding the Help file to be of no help
> whatsoever, I found that the only way I could get online to find better
> support was to uninstall the damn thing.
> I notice that the Wingate Online Troubleshooter doesn't work either - ie.
> Select 'I'm having problems with Wingate' - next page says 'What kind of
> problems are you experiencing' and the only options you have is to select
> 'Back' or 'Start over'! Very helpful indeed.
> Wingate: A most frustrating and time-wasting experience.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Robert Jacobs" <rjacobs0spamfree@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:uycWPLwDFHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>I did a fast search and found these on the top.
>>
>> Check out some of these programs:
>>
>> 1. Wingate- http://www.wingate.com
>>
>> 2. Winroute Firewall-
>> http://www.deerfield.com/products/winroute-firewall/
>>
>> 3. WinProxy- http://www.winproxy.com/index.asp
>>
>> 4. PPPShar- http://www.pppindia.com/intl/pppshar/
>>
>>
>> "Robert Jacobs" <rjacobs0spamfree@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23DecMCwDFHA.2568@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Jon, all you really need to do is run an Internet Sharing Server on your
>>> Host computer. This is required when using a USB modem and not an
>>> eithernet connection.
>>>
>>> You will need to use something like Wingate. goto http:www.wingate.com
>>> to check it out. I have been told there are free software packages that
>>> do the same, but since I no longer use a USB modem, I have not looked
>>> for them.
>>>
>>> Robert...
>>> "Jon" <ut@ut.ut> wrote in message
>>> news:cu8tu9$l40$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>>I got two PCs networked via a crossover cable. Both XP Home - no
>>>>problems. I've tried to get ICS working but it doesn't want to know as
>>>>far as the 2nd PC goes. The first PC accesses the Net OK through a
>>>>Broadband USB Modem but the Modem hasn't got any other sockets for RJ45
>>>>network cables - maybe that's the problem - I don't know. Anyhow, my
>>>>question is this:
>>>> What's the cheapest hardware solution? I'm out of my depth here. Do I
>>>> need an ADSL Router Modem or just a Router or am doing something wrong
>>>> in my attempt to run ICS on the current setup.
>>>> Any recomendations gratefully received.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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