Radeon X1950 pro 256MB vs. Radeon X1650XT 512MB

[SurgeDS]

Radeon X1950 pro 256MB - price -$289.99 (newegg)

Chipset Manufacturer: ATI
Core clock: 620MHz
DirectX: DirectX 9
DVI: 2
Memory Clock: 1480MHz
Memory Interface: 256-bit
OpenGL: OpenGL 2.0
PixelPipelines: 12(36 Pixel shader processor)

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Radeon X1650XT 512MB - price- $204.99 (newegg)

Chipset Manufacturer: ATI
Core clock: 630MHz
DirectX: DirectX 9
DVI: 2
Memory Clock: 1460MHz
Memory Interface: 128-bit
OpenGL: OpenGL 2.0
PixelPipelines: 24

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Now my question is, isnt the X1650XT way better not only price wise but spec wise then the x1950pro? Its a 512 card instead of 256, has 24 pixel pipeline instead of 12.... I am not an expert but looking at those two cards i am very confused why the x1950 is more expensive and has lower spec's in numbers.... Em I missing something here? Please let me know, thanks ahead of time cuz i am trying to upgrade my card.

MY pc specs.

p4 3.0 H.T
2gs dual GELI ram 3200
2 SATA raptors 10,000rpm 138g
FSB 800mhz
AGP 8x
5900 ultra 256

 

[Slava]

Now my question is, isnt the X1650XT way better not only price wise but spec wise then the x1950pro?

NO

x1950pro will wipe the floor with X1650XT.

Do not ask why. Go ahead and read up on these things.

x1950pro is a different architecture and you missed the little difference between its 256-bit interface vs. X1650XTs 128-bit.

*grumbles angrily*: Another fool almost fell for the marketing gimmick.

You can slap 1 Gig of 128-bit memory onto a card and another card with 128 Megs of 256-bit memory will kill it without breaking a sweat.

 

[SurgeDS]

Ahh alright, thanks for the detail, didnt think the bit played that big of a role in a card.. I always for some reason thought its the 512mb or 256mb of ram that mattered and the type of ram. But i guess the bit ram is more important, thanks.

 

[TurdBurglar]

As slava said, the X1950pro absolutely decimates the x1650xt.

 

[Featherstone]

yep... x1950pro ftw!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102061
where u get your price? Here is a 1950pro from newegg for almost half that (170 after MIR)

 

[cleeve]

Plus, the X1650 PRO should read "8 TMU, 24 pixel shader processor" instead of 24 pipeline.

The X1950 PRO should read "12 TMU, 36 pixel shader processor"

 

[prozac26]

Plus, the X1650 PRO should read "8 TMU, 24 pixel shader processor" instead of 24 pipeline.

The X1950 PRO should read "12 TMU, 36 pixel shader processor"

Yea, not to mention no ATI card has "24 pipelines".

 

[Slava]

Plus, the X1650 PRO should read "8 TMU, 24 pixel shader processor" instead of 24 pipeline.

The X1950 PRO should read "12 TMU, 36 pixel shader processor"

Yea, not to mention no ATI card has "24 pipelines".

:lol: Indeed!

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Doesn't that depend on your definition of pipeline. Because using the old definition of pipeline, wouldn't THIS card qualify;
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20061221222204.html

as having 24 "full pipelines" on the CARD. Of course no ATi CHIP would qualify under either definition. :twisted:

 

[SurgeDS]

Dude, if you dont belieave me, see for your self... ITs on NEW EGG and its for AGP 8x!

Which one out of these 3 would you choose and why?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Category=38&N=2010380048+4018+1069609639&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=48

 

[Slava]

Dude, don't annoy the gurus 8O I will quote Cleeve's post for you:

Plus, the X1650 PRO should read "8 TMU, 24 pixel shader processor" instead of 24 pipeline.

The X1950 PRO should read "12 TMU, 36 pixel shader processor"

What he is saying is correct. The text on Newegg was taken out of the manufacturer's specifications sheet (to which I linked in my earlier reply to your questions. CLICK on it). This is the best Newegg can do. They cannot edit the manufacturer's specifications no matter how incorrect and misleading they may be.

Give it a rest.

EDIT: Actually, this is VERY WEIRD. I have no idea where Newegg got that stuff about 24 pipelines. The official HIS product page specifically states

HIS X1650XT IceQ Turbo Dual DL-DVI 512/256MB GDDR3 AGP
Powered by ATI Radeon X1650XT
- 600MHz (Turbo) for 512MB
- 630MHz (Turbo) for 256MB
512/256MB-128bit 4 channel GDDR3 memory - 1.46GHz (Turbo)
24 Pixel shader processor
8 Vertex shader processor
Ultra-threaded SM 3.0 Engine
256-bit Ring-bus
ATI Avivo™
High Precision Architecture
AGP support via RIALTO

In case this is the card you are talking about.

Newegg site states

HIS Hightech H165XTQT512GDDAN-R Radeon X1650XT 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X IceQ Turbo HDCP Video Card - Retail

Chipset Manufacturer: ATI
Core clock: 630MHz
DirectX: DirectX 9
DVI: 2
Memory Clock: 1460MHz
Memory Interface: 128-bit
OpenGL: OpenGL 2.0
PixelPipelines: 24
TV-Out: HDTV / S-Video Out
VIVO: No

Model #: H165XTQT512GDDAN-R
Item #: N82E16814161065
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

This is messed up.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Dude, if you dont belieave me, see for your self... ITs on NEW EGG and its for AGP 8x!

Why would it being on NewEgg change the fact that there is no 24pipeline chip, and no available for purchase 24pipeline CARD from ATi yet?

That you believe NewEgg is your problem.

As for your options the Powercolor is the best bargain of the three and the HIS is the best quality IMO.

However at $159 the GF7800GS might actually be worth considering for change unlike it's usual overpriced self.

 

[blade85]

the X1950pro absolutely decimates the x1650xt.

understatement? :roll:

 

[Slava]

the X1950pro absolutely decimates the x1650xt.

understatement? :roll:

ROFL :!:

 

[pauldh]

Dude, if you dont belieave me, see for your self... ITs on NEW EGG and its for AGP 8x!

As for your options the Powercolor is the best bargain of the three and the HIS is the best quality IMO.

However at $159 the GF7800GS might actually be worth considering for change unlike it's usual overpriced self.
Agreed in full.

 

[SurgeDS]

Dude, if you dont belieave me, see for your self... ITs on NEW EGG and its for AGP 8x!

Why would it being on NewEgg change the fact that there is no 24pipeline chip, and no available for purchase 24pipeline CARD from ATi yet?

That you believe NewEgg is your problem.

As for your options the Powercolor is the best bargain of the three and the HIS is the best quality IMO.

However at $159 the GF7800GS might actually be worth considering for change unlike it's usual overpriced self.

well after reading the review on this site, ive noticed that the X1950 seemed way better then GF7800 GS.

 

[I]

NO

Do not ask why. Go ahead and read up on these things.

<-- In love with this reply

Can I adopt you? :twisted:

 

[phas3r]

just because a card has 512mb it doesn't mean it is better than other 256mb cards

 

[Valtiel]

Dude, if you dont belieave me, see for your self... ITs on NEW EGG and its for AGP 8x!

Why would it being on NewEgg change the fact that there is no 24pipeline chip, and no available for purchase 24pipeline CARD from ATi yet?

That you believe NewEgg is your problem.

As for your options the Powercolor is the best bargain of the three and the HIS is the best quality IMO.

However at $159 the GF7800GS might actually be worth considering for change unlike it's usual overpriced self.

well after reading the review on this site, ive noticed that the X1950 seemed way better then GF7800 GS.

I don't think that's very fair to the 7800GS, you might make it cry.

Besides why would you get the 7800GS when you could get a 7900GS which is much much better (or if you have the cash the X1950pro???!!!)

 

[Slava]

Can I adopt you?

8O Ha-ha! Or... I could adopt you, son

 

[pauldh]

Besides why would you get the 7800GS when you could get a 7900GS which is much much better

He needs AGP. So the options are X1650XT/7600GT/7800GS or stepping up to the better X1950 pro.

 

[sirheck]

Besides why would you get the 7800GS when you could get a 7900GS which is much much better

He needs AGP. So the options are X1650XT/7600GT/7800GS or stepping up to the better X1950 pro.

i say go for the nvidia vanta :twisted:

 

[Valtiel]

Besides why would you get the 7800GS when you could get a 7900GS which is much much better

He needs AGP. So the options are X1650XT/7600GT/7800GS or stepping up to the better X1950 pro.

Oops silly me

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

well after reading the review on this site, ive noticed that the X1950 seemed way better then GF7800 GS.

Yes it is better but it's also more expensive, you have to decide the priorities, and I'm just saying it's worth considering because it's $159, instead of the usual $250+.

BTW, here's a review of some of the performance ranges you are considering (the GF7800GS isn't in there and is not near the GF7900GS used in the review, it's like halfway between the GF7600GT and GF7900GS;

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/radeon-x1650xt.html

PS, the latest firingsquad review includes 2 AGP and 2PCIe X1950Pros along with the AGP GF7800GS;

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/sapphire_x1950_pro_agp_ultimate_review/default.asp

 

[christopher9123]

Someone help me!! I'm about to flip! I have a HIS X1650XT IceQ Turbo Dual DL-DVI 512/256MB GDDR3 AGP and I have a HANS-G 19" Widescreen monitor. My screen will blink in and out like once every hour our so for like 2 minutes. I DJ, so it makes me VERY uncomfortable using my PC on gigs. I sometimes have a projector hooked up at the same time, and it does the same thing at the same time. Does my video card support widescreen? Is anyone familiar with this problem?? Thanks a MILLION!!

Chris