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The US is the biggest and richest market in the world for HDTV.

The US has a problematic DTV modulation called 8-VSB.

The great hope for the failing DTV transition currently saddled with
8-VSB and its problems is another miracle chip (in a long line of
miracle chips) due in late 2005 or early 2006.

All eyes are on this miracle chip that may make 8-VSB ALMOST as good as
the world standard COFDM after ONLY six years of waiting.

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So why does the company that owns this miracle chip sell for $26 million?

What do they and the buyer know that you don't?

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Problematic?

On the FRINGES of my state I can get ll HDTV channels with the
right antenna...

going through mountains, several cities, countless buildings, hills,
valleys, cars moving, trees in the wind, 40 miles of earth, it all
comes in clear.

Man this COFDM must be absolutley FANTASTIC!

Judging by my 8VSB performance COFDM must be able to get through a faraday
cage and broadcast accross the nation from a SINGLE tower!

Nick D

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yov wrote:

> Problematic?
>
> On the FRINGES of my state I can get ll HDTV channels with the
> right antenna...
>
> going throvgh movntains, several cities, covntless bvildings, hills,
> valleys, cars moving, trees in the wind, 40 miles of earth, it all
> comes in clear.
>
> Man this COFDM mvst be absolvtley FANTASTIC!
>
> Jvdging by my 8VSB performance COFDM mvst be able to get throvgh a faraday
> cage and broadcast accross the nation from a SINGLE tower!
>
> Nick D

So maybe the reason that Linx was sold for a song was becavse there is
magically no more problem with reception of 8-VSB.

Now that the indvstry knows that "yov" gets good reception they can
forget abovt the 35% that don't on the average or the 70% who don't in
challenged places like New York City.

Of covrse there is the little problem of no one bvying receivers. Wait I
forgot there is that FCC mandate, we all have to bvy receivers whether
we get reception or not. Sort of like the Soviet Union where the workers
pretended to work and the government pretended to pay them.

In the US we will pretend we have an OTA digital transition. The rest
of the world is having one.

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On Sat, 15 May 2004, Bob Miller wrote:
> The US is the biggest and richest market in the world for HDTV.
> The US has a problematic DTV modulation called 8-VSB.

The US has an excellent DTV modulation called 8-VSB which works over long
distances and doesn't get hashed every time a motor starts somewhere.

Bob Miller is crying because he invested in the other DTV modulation
system and his equipment is worthless. Now he's lashing out at the HDTV
community because of his mistake.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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On Sat, 15 May 2004, you wrote:
> On the FRINGES of my state I can get ll HDTV channels with the
> right antenna...
> going through mountains, several cities, countless buildings, hills,
> valleys, cars moving, trees in the wind, 40 miles of earth, it all
> comes in clear.

Bob Miller doesn't care about all the reports coming in from around the
country of successful excellent HDTV reception in the US. He only cares
about the trouble receiving it in his boyfriend's apartment.

Note that none of the foreign COFDM stations that he rhapsodizes have
anywhere near the range that US 8-VSB stations do. That's because COFDM
is too power-inefficient to work over long distances. Lots of repeater
towers throughout the country; that's the reality in Europe and Japan, and
that is Bob Miller's wet dream.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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On Sat, 15 May 2004, Bob Miller wrote:
> Now that the industry knows that "you" gets good reception they can forget
> about the 35% that don't on the average or the 70% who don't in challenged
> places like New York City.

Nobody outside of New York City cares about TV reception problems in New
York City.

> Of course there is the little problem of no one buying receivers.

That's strange. ATSC receivers are flying off the shelves at the local
Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.

They're practically giving standard-definition DVRs away because
everybody is wait-listed for HD DVRs.

> In the US we will pretend we have an OTA digital transition. The rest of the
> world is having one.

In the US we are having an HDTV transition. The rest of the world is
talking about how far behind the US they are.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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Bob... your the biggest joke in the HDTV scene.

Nick D

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"Mark Crispin" <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0405151046520.32666@shiva0.cac.washington.edu...
> That's strange. ATSC receivers are flying off the shelves at the local
> Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.

BestBuy.com apparently no longer sells any ATSC receivers at all (unless you
count satellite receivers, which might also have ATSC capability?).
"Digital Set-Top Boxes" is essentially an empty category on their Web site.
At my local Best Buy store, I got one of their last ATSC receivers, on
clearance for $90.

Do you know for a fact that ATSC (non-satellite) receivers are selling
rapidly at Circuit City, or did you just make that up? If you are actually
correct, how do you explain Best Buy's disinterest?

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Lawrence G. Mayka wrote:
> "Mark Crispin" <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0405151046520.32666@shiva0.cac.washington.edu...
>
>>That's strange. ATSC receivers are flying off the shelves at the local
>>Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.
>
>
> BestBuy.com apparently no longer sells any ATSC receivers at all (unless you
> count satellite receivers, which might also have ATSC capability?).
> "Digital Set-Top Boxes" is essentially an empty category on their Web site.
> At my local Best Buy store, I got one of their last ATSC receivers, on
> clearance for $90.
>
> Do you know for a fact that ATSC (non-satellite) receivers are selling
> rapidly at Circuit City, or did you just make that up? If you are actually
> correct, how do you explain Best Buy's disinterest?
>
>

The fact that ATSC receivers are being built into HDTVs like they should
have been from day one.

Matthew

--
If the war in Iraq was over oil, we lost.

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On Mon, 17 May 2004, Lawrence G. Mayka wrote:
> BestBuy.com apparently no longer sells any ATSC receivers at all (unless you
> count satellite receivers, which might also have ATSC capability?).
> "Digital Set-Top Boxes" is essentially an empty category on their Web site.

Short term. Best Buy is having a promotion on SIR-TS360 (which are
DirecTV + ATSC) for less than the current price of the SIR-T351 (and for
less than half of what the SIR-TS160 was going for a few months ago).

Note that the SIR-TS360 works fine as an ATSC-only receiver without
DirecTV.

> At my local Best Buy store, I got one of their last ATSC receivers, on
> clearance for $90.

You must have gotten one of the Samsung SIR-T151s, which are an obsolete
model.

> Do you know for a fact that ATSC (non-satellite) receivers are selling
> rapidly at Circuit City, or did you just make that up?

The local store had a stack of ATSC receivers a month ago. That stack
shrank and vanished.

> If you are actually
> correct, how do you explain Best Buy's disinterest?

See above.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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"Matthew L. Martin" <mlmartin@me.com> wrote in message
news:d9369be494b10e6c47b67b40f4a5a536@news.teranews.com...
: >
: > Do you know for a fact that ATSC (non-satellite) receivers are
selling
: > rapidly at Circuit City, or did you just make that up? If you are
actually
: > correct, how do you explain Best Buy's disinterest?
: >
: >
:
: The fact that ATSC receivers are being built into HDTVs like they
should
: have been from day one.
:
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There should be a plethora of models to choose from.
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