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January 20, 2007 12:46:20 PM

Hi, I've had a wireless network for about a year now. Now we have three total computers and the internet seems slower, on all three computers, even the one that is wired straight to the router. Right now I have 3Mbps/384k. If I upgraded to 6Mbps/512k, would that make it faster?

~Ibrahim~

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January 20, 2007 1:37:26 PM

Of course it would make them faster, but you gotta also think about the router. Is it a good router powerful enough to make the pc's get the internet as fast as possible?
January 20, 2007 2:59:05 PM

Well, the router was bought from Wal*Mart, lol..I'll see if it has QoS.

~Ibrahim~
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January 20, 2007 3:19:11 PM

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...was bought from Wal*Mart...


I think thats the problem, they dont sell good routers, as far as I know they sell linksys only, and most of them are old stuff.
January 20, 2007 3:36:45 PM

well, no shit upgrade, it'll be faster, and ull own more

porn dl's wil be way faster too, u could get the ultra res ones, rly nice, see a lot of stuff more clearly
January 20, 2007 3:38:15 PM

linksys isn't a bad brand though. Make sure it is wireless G. My connection can get really slow and its not my routers fault. it is the ISP's fault. I have a 3 meg connection and at times all I can download at is 10k (not very often otherwise I wouldn't keep paying for it.
January 20, 2007 3:53:32 PM

it is if it is an outdated model ;) 

I recommend the D-link DIR-635 or the latest one D-link DIR-655, they look really good, are 802.11n compatible, have QoS and are also 802.11g 802.11b backwards compatible.
January 20, 2007 6:41:06 PM

Netgear rangemax wireless routers are worth a look. I wouldn't spend any money just yet though, try downloading a large file from a website thats has a lot of bandwidth so your link is gonna bottleneck. If you get approx 375KB then your internet is fine. So it's either your connection isn't fast enough for your needs or your router is crap.
January 20, 2007 7:11:37 PM

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amazing, there is no such thing as 802.11n and they are compatable with it. utterly amazing.


From Wikipedia
802.11N

D-link DIR-655

http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=530

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The D-Link Xtreme N™ Gigabit Router (DIR-655) is a draft 802.11n compliant device that delivers up to 14x faster speeds* and 6x farther range* than 802.11g while staying backward compatible with 802.11g and 802.11b devices.


In Your Face :twisted:
January 20, 2007 7:27:43 PM

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i have not bothered reading those links as i know for a fact that no standard of 802.11 has been finalised.

i have a funny feeling you know any mention of 802.11 compatability is BS.

it is very bad advice to recommend a 802.11n device draft compliant or not. it is a very bay buy.

stick to g or a. least that way there will be no problems and you know what you are getting.

if i misunderstand you and you honestly think that 802.11n products are good then please STFU.


You know, you said there was NO such thing as 802.11N but THERE IS

And they are compatible with 802.11G and B BELIEVE IT OR NOT

When did I say there were good? I said they were a good upgrade for his network, SINCE HE WONT BE USING DRAFT N BECAUSE HIS HOLE NETWORK IS EITHER G OR B,IT WILL STILL BE A GOOD UPGRADE I never said go and buy the hole kit and change for draft N ;) 

Maybe you should start reading and learn to understand which is something missing in your miserable head
January 20, 2007 7:35:09 PM

Ok so that means you are making all this problem because I used the word "Compatible" instead of "Compliant"?

Now that is amazing :wink:
January 20, 2007 7:56:27 PM

I don't think I'd be recommending a .11n yet... The .11n 'standard' is all over the place. A .11g router should be fairly reliable, maker and model depending... But at least there IS a .11g standard to comply with... Just my 2p.
January 20, 2007 8:04:01 PM

Most isp's have a test site with a test file for downloading. Ask them, they should be delivering to you what you are paying for. Is your connection DSL or ADSL? In either case, is your modem built into your router or seperate? Just curious...
January 20, 2007 9:48:53 PM

Wow, lots of posts. Didn't expect that, especially in this sub-topic. Thanks!

It is a Linksys WRT54G. I'm certain it is "G", as both laptops are using "G".

Yeah, I don't want to shell out for a router very soon, unless this continues.

About the 802.11n:

It sounds like a nice feature, but I probably won't be using it any time for soon. Firstly, because I want the standard to be fully adopted before I pay for it. And I'd need to upgrade the wireless cards in both laptops..And I don't care much about the two laptops, I just need speed on this desktop.

In reality, I only need QoS. This wired computer is for gaming, the others are surfing or a few online games. (Online games, meaning they are inside the browser). I could've sworn I read somewhere my router has it, but I haven't seen another source yet.

Bellsouth give me this in their DSL speed test:

Your Download Speed:

2.9Mbps

Your Upload Speed:

380.2k

That is pretty darn close to my advertised 3.0Mbps/384k...Maybe it is just some slow sites that I've been visiting?

Another speed test:



I guess it just might be me, then.

It is DSL..

~Ibrahim~
January 20, 2007 9:56:49 PM

For DSL, are you sharing it with your TV? And how many neighbours are on your same line? You might find that your CIR drops considerably during peak viewing times. Other than that, 'familiarity and contempt' comes to mind 1.5 Mbps was blazingly fast when I first got it... Now I want 8Mbps.
January 20, 2007 10:11:21 PM

Haha! I found it. I do have QoS. I enabled it for my computer. I set most everything to AUTO, I'll see how it works out. If not, there are plenty of modded firmwares for my router that I can use to enable some more QoS features. Thank you everyone!

~Ibrahim~
January 20, 2007 10:50:04 PM

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For DSL, are you sharing it with your TV? And how many neighbours are on your same line? You might find that your CIR drops considerably during peak viewing times. Other than that, 'familiarity and contempt' comes to mind 1.5 Mbps was blazingly fast when I first got it... Now I want 8Mbps.


Nope. Don't think too many are, most are with Adelphia..

Thanks!

~Ibrahim~
January 20, 2007 10:54:53 PM

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I don't think I'd be recommending a .11n yet... The .11n 'standard' is all over the place. A .11g router should be fairly reliable, maker and model depending... But at least there IS a .11g standard to comply with... Just my 2p.


Not particularly replying to you Croc
Fully agree. Draft n specs hardware are backward compatible with a/b/g, but usually they don't really compatible with draft n from other chip/company....get what i mean right?Sorry for bad english
January 20, 2007 11:00:56 PM

When they get the standard finalized and get the interference bugs worked out, I'd consider it. But why would any home user need that much bandwidth?
January 20, 2007 11:08:12 PM

Mobile Gaming, for one. Large file transfers.

~Ibrahim~
January 20, 2007 11:47:19 PM

January 21, 2007 12:48:44 AM

I have tried from 500k to 6Mps w/ 1Mbps uplink. For gaming not really necessary to have 6Mps. Yes, it's great for other stuff like downloading porn and what not, but for gaming I have downgraded from 6Mbps to 1Mbps and my ping in BF2 of the same server have decrease from 5-10 to now 15-20.

So the only thing that made a negative impact is the download speed. I used to have 500Kbps download average but now I can only do 100Kbps. Five times slower but then again I don't download stuff that much. Only for internet and gaming is what I used this computer for.

So for you, 6Mbps will be good and maybe it will only increase your monthly bill to $30, but for gaming you can do 1Mbps and still have really fast connectivity.

Also I have upgraded the router to D-Link Gaming Router, the best one for gaming. That router have given me lower ping. If I would my old Linksys router I would have maybe 75ping on BF2 server but with this Gaming Rounter, I got 15-20. Really good improvement, and most importantly it can handle several pc on the same network with all pc in sessions with online gaming.

So try from 1Mbps and also the router, if thats' not fast enough for you, then you can always ugrade and or return the router.
January 21, 2007 12:50:03 AM



cable...
January 21, 2007 1:17:33 AM

YES! :wink:
January 21, 2007 3:22:43 AM

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cable...



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January 21, 2007 6:24:42 PM

Thanks for the info, chuck!

Yeah, I've learned that pings matter in gaming and a faster connection doesn't always lower the pings. And pings go higher with more stops to make, like in a router. Let me look up some more information on that router, if it can give me more than QoS, I might grab it. And Gigabit would be nice, the connection on my motherboard is going to waste, as of right now.

Thanks!

~Ibrahim~
January 24, 2007 8:39:37 PM


You think you're so good!
January 24, 2007 10:55:40 PM

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You think you're so good!


WooooooooooooooooooooooooooT!!!

8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O
January 24, 2007 11:49:09 PM

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You think you're so good!


To quote a friend, "it looks like he just pulled out his shit, put it on a table, sat back and admired", lol!

btw, nice speed!

~Ibrahim~

P.S. I got QoS working with a hacked firmware, all is good!
February 23, 2007 4:43:05 AM

Ibrahim,

what version router are you running btw?


Through a stock linksys router's wireless connection (miracle it stayed up long enough to run)




about draft .11n .... the first draft and second drafts are completely different from one another. If memory serves first draft products raised hell with channel freq harmonics. Also from what I read there is going to possibly be two more revisions before it's finalized
February 23, 2007 8:01:52 PM

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Ibrahim,

what version router are you running btw?


Through a stock linksys router's wireless connection (miracle it stayed up long enough to run)




about draft .11n .... the first draft and second drafts are completely different from one another. If memory serves first draft products raised hell with channel freq harmonics. Also from what I read there is going to possibly be two more revisions before it's finalized


Hi! I'm using the WRT54G V3. Nice speed on wireless!

Yeah, I don't think I'll be needing draft-N or any 'N' at all. The two laptops I use are just for simple web browsing and e-mail. Nice info, though.

~Ibrahim~
February 23, 2007 8:30:37 PM

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Damn, so close but i couldnt beat you. Kudos man, your e-penis is bigger than mine, albeit by a very close margin! But wait a sec. I win on the upload, ha! i have a bigger server bandwith! :p 

I'm running a d-link 4300 gamers lounge.
February 23, 2007 8:34:46 PM

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Hi, I've had a wireless network for about a year now. Now we have three total computers and the internet seems slower, on all three computers, even the one that is wired straight to the router. Right now I have 3Mbps/384k. If I upgraded to 6Mbps/512k, would that make it faster?

~Ibrahim~


Contrary to popular opinion, the answer to this is it depends. If you are sufficiently far enough from a CO, whether you upgrade from 3.0 to 6.0 or 60.0 or 600.0, it won't get any faster unless they agree to install a repeater. That's because the signal degrades and provider isn't artificially capping speed at that point. It becomes a matter of physics.

I suggest you do upgrade only if there's a guaranteed minimum speed so if you aren't reaching at least the minimum consistently or you aren't getting any faster, then you can force them to lower the speed and save the money since the higher speed didn't get you anything anyways.

I went from 3 to 6 and I found that my download speed increased a little from 1.7 to 3.2MB/s. I'm probably 10,000-15,000 feet from a CO.
February 23, 2007 8:56:28 PM


heh.. thats what i get for living out in BFE.. still, was advertised as 512/128 service.
February 23, 2007 9:23:15 PM

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Hi, I've had a wireless network for about a year now. Now we have three total computers and the internet seems slower, on all three computers, even the one that is wired straight to the router. Right now I have 3Mbps/384k. If I upgraded to 6Mbps/512k, would that make it faster?

~Ibrahim~


"seems slower" slower than what? When? How? You must quantify and then isolate the source of your woes if you are to overcome your obstacle on your path to obtain streaming pornucopic bliss. If you seek faster internet you must first quantify faster and then obtain and verify it. Many a shady solution provider will promise to revolutionize your experience if you do not define what you actually want from them. If you seek only internet that "seems" faster the obstacle is not your DSLAM, nor your s/n ratio, nor even the uptime, latencies, or dynamic fair usage policies that your carrier provides. The only obstacle to your happiness is in your own mind. Change your expectations and you'll change your world. Never was I happier then when I enjoyed watching illegal images of disheveled low-res copulation over my 23k connection to AOL load 1 line of pixels at a time. This is the Yin and the Yang of PC progress. You must strike a ballance or you may consume all the bandwidth in the world and never be satisfied, your clicking finger exhuasted, and your HD empty.
Oh Boy.

-Flasher702 speaking on the Zen of Network Performance

Seriously though "seems slower" isn't much information. Do some speed tests, some ping tests, exhaustively attempt to see if there is anything within your own network you can do to increase performance before you fork out more money for extra bandwidth that might not even fix your problem.
February 23, 2007 9:33:33 PM

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For DSL, are you sharing it with your TV? And how many neighbours are on your same line? You might find that your CIR drops considerably during peak viewing times. Other than that, 'familiarity and contempt' comes to mind 1.5 Mbps was blazingly fast when I first got it... Now I want 8Mbps.


erm...you're confusing DSL with Cable. DSL comes over a phone line Cable comes over...'cable'. :roll:

I have Cable but at peak times of the day my data transfer rates drop like huge elephant turds....this only just started happening early this year and I was hoping that by now my ISP would have fixed the problem. I guess it's time to try DSL???
February 23, 2007 10:33:32 PM

Your right... big difference.

February 23, 2007 11:03:44 PM

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Hi, I've had a wireless network for about a year now. Now we have three total computers and the internet seems slower, on all three computers, even the one that is wired straight to the router. Right now I have 3Mbps/384k. If I upgraded to 6Mbps/512k, would that make it faster?

~Ibrahim~


"seems slower" slower than what? When? How? You must quantify and then isolate the source of your woes if you are to overcome your obstacle on your path to obtain streaming pornucopic bliss. If you seek faster internet you must first quantify faster and then obtain and verify it. Many a shady solution provider will promise to revolutionize your experience if you do not define what you actually want from them. If you seek only internet that "seems" faster the obstacle is not your DSLAM, nor your s/n ratio, nor even the uptime, latencies, or dynamic fair usage policies that your carrier provides. The only obstacle to your happiness is in your own mind. Change your expectations and you'll change your world. Never was I happier then when I enjoyed watching illegal images of disheveled low-res copulation over my 23k connection to AOL load 1 line of pixels at a time. This is the Yin and the Yang of PC progress. You must strike a ballance or you may consume all the bandwidth in the world and never be satisfied, your clicking finger exhuasted, and your HD empty.
Oh Boy.

-Flasher702 speaking on the Zen of Network Performance

Seriously though "seems slower" isn't much information. Do some speed tests, some ping tests, exhaustively attempt to see if there is anything within your own network you can do to increase performance before you fork out more money for extra bandwidth that might not even fix your problem.

Haha, great quote...

Yeah, I ran those "tests" and they all came back negative: nothing is qualitatively slower, it just felt slower. Might've been my head screwing with me; either way, it seems to be back at its normal speed or I've gotten used to 'slow'. Thanks again!

Yeah, I've decided to keep my 3Mbps until Verizon FiOS discovers Kentucky, lol!

~Ibrahim~
February 23, 2007 11:07:00 PM

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do somewhere farther than chicago if you are only 50 miles away, do san fransisco to show what you're actual speeds are, only from testing a server far away will you properly test your cable speeds


No, you should do your speed test to something nearby, otherwise you're just testing internet congestion and while that may be interesting that's not your connection speed and will vary widely and almost unpredictably. Ideally you want something that is as close as possible that isn't within your upstream network connection. You want to test your connection speed to the internet, not your connection speed to the guy next door using the same provider because you're just boucing off your local node, AP, or CO so that doesn't really count. And you don't want to test your speed to something on the other side of the world because then you are dealing with multiple hops, oceanic long-hauls, and internet congestion that has absolutely nothing to do with you or your upline provider. The only thing your carrier has control over is your speed to the nearsest backbone node, that's what you want to test. If you read the instructions on the speedtest they say to pick the server closest to you, this is why.
February 23, 2007 11:32:49 PM

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That is with a crappy Netgear Router with 3 computers running on it ( 1 wired and 2 wireless. :D 
February 23, 2007 11:40:00 PM

I've got and 8x512 through my company. Best thing about it is the approx 50ms ping time out of our network. At that point it's out of the ISP's control but my pfsense firewall can easily handle 20Mbps if I open it up. It's an old dell P4 1.7 with 512ram. Kick linksys in the A$$! I also run a second 3x1 out of the same firewall for all my work systems. Faster is better!
February 23, 2007 11:59:35 PM



found a better server, lol. you do have one badass upload speed! 8O
February 24, 2007 12:41:53 AM

Actually I have the WGT624 v2 I bought about it about a year and a half ago for $50. I call it cheap cause at the time it was the cheapest one I could find with 108 speeds. Before it I had the Linksys WRT54g and it cost more and I got inconsistant speeds with it.
February 24, 2007 12:45:28 AM

Yeah? :)  Here's mine:



This is on my ISP's "standard" (5Mb/512Kb) service. Not the "lite" version, not the "extreme" (10Mb/1Mb), and not "Nitro" (25Mb/1Mb).

Clint
February 24, 2007 1:01:45 AM

my connection is kinda weird actually, im in oklahoma city, i had direct to my isp in austin with oc192 then that was going out to the test server in houston, so my speed wasnt exactly accurate it would be faster...but it is a work connection,lol



thats my home internet which isnt bad considering i am on a connection that is supposed to be 4Mb down and 768k up
Anonymous
February 24, 2007 1:17:39 AM

From Canada to Texas, USA... not too shabby

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